Battle Lines: Open Competition at LG

[CowboyRoy]

That's not logic, it's blind speculation. Starters don't really play in pre-season anyway, nor do they need to.

They said in July that it was likely Gallup missed week 1 when they put him on PUP. Steele is 5-6 weeks ahead in his timeline.

Whether Steele is 100% or not is irrelevant.

SO I post you the HC saying he wont be ready for TC and that he doesnt know his timeline and you call that blind logic?
And then you claim that if steele cant play at 100% that its irrelevant?

Sure buddy, whatever you say. Its all blind and irrelevant speculation.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yep, so I think we are looking at Walenzko starting the first few games at RT. So now if Tyron gets hurt in TC its complete disaster already.

Even if Tyron doesnt get hurt he wont play in TC so there will be a lack of continuity on the line going into the early season.

I hope part of this 30% change and play calls, has Dak using a quick release and the WR's are running their routes better. He may need that. Until the OL is all in sync and healthy. So they can run the entire offense. Unless those quick release passes are already in the offense.

I guess I am saying in a way, as some plays take longer to develop, he needs that protection. Unless they use more roll out type plays, or move him around.
It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

 

[CouchCoach]

I have a feeling Coach Mike Solari will do a much better job shaping up our Oline than Joe Philbin did.

What do you base that on?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

SO I post you the HC saying he wont be ready for TC and that he doesnt know his timeline and you call that blind logic?
And then you claim that if steele cant play at 100% that its irrelevant?

Sure buddy, whatever you say. Its all blind and irrelevant speculation.

He didn't say he wasn't going to be ready, he said he didn't know. The leap from "We don't know what he'll be ready for in August" to "He is going to miss games" is a blind guess. Maybe it's right, maybe it's not, but it's just a blind guess to think, from that statement, he's going to miss games. I could just as easily say "if he's close to ready for camp, he'll be 100% for week 1," but there's no actual reason to think that other than putting a positive spin.

Yes, it is irrelevant. He likely won't be 100% until 2024, so that's not really a factor in whether or not he plays in September 2023. Week 1 is 9 months from the injury, that's not a ridiculous timeline. You cite Gallup, but there are dozens of players who have returned in 9 months. Bryan Bulaga did that in GB in 2018.
https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...ckle-bryan-bulaga-cleared-practice/897902002/

 

[Jarntt]

They are already pushing back his timeline.

If the Cowboys want to be success in 2023, they need Dak Prescott to stay upright in the pocket. However, that task might become more difficult for the Cowboys after the team's latest injury update.


Right tackle Terence Steele might not be ready for training camp, via Michael Gehlken of the Dallas Morning News. Head coach Mike McCarthy is unaware of Steele's timeline and is waiting to see where the cards fall come Cowboys training camp.

“We'll have to see when we get to Oxnard,” McCarthy said.

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Steele underwent knee surgery in December to repair his torn ACL and MCL. While he still has plenty of time before Week 1, training camp might still be too early for Steele's return.

The right tackle signed with the Cowboys as an undrafted free agent follow

Unless he has a set back Steele will start week 1. I don't think there is any question of this and of course no one is going to guarantee he is ready for training camp in a few weeks. I can't imagine he will be full go in TC and teams usually play this type of info very close to the vest. It just wouldn't make any sense to rush him out in TC or even play him in preseason games. But that has little to no bearing on week 1

 

[817Gill]

Based on what? He is essentially a rookie. And a 4th round one at that.

Based on his limited snaps last preseason and how effusive the staff praise has been of his. If you go back and watch those snaps he really looked like he belonged,

Some guys just adjust quickly, see Daron Bland. But it’s more of a projection since the snaps have been so few.

 

[charron]

I'm ok with Tyler starting LG but who takes tyrons place when he's hurt?

 

[817Gill]

That’s a huge jump for him
I like his potential but he had lots of flaws in technique and needed to grow physically
To go from a developmental guy to a starter without ever playing a game would be very impressive

I think once they saw him play the snaps in TC and PS they saw he wasn’t as developmental as we were lead to believe at draft time. If you go back and watch his play along with the staffs thoughts about him once they got their hands on him, you’ll find that he was much more capable than we thought,

I genuinely think had he stayed healthy he’d have been the go-to swing T. To me it’s not quite as big of a project to starter transition as assumed.

 

[817Gill]

It's not a real competition. The starting 5 is going to be 77-73-63-70-78

The competition really begins when Tyron is hurt. Are they better with:

Waletzko - Tyler Smith
or
Tyler Smith - Farniok/Edoga

Easy

 

[TequilaCowboy]

A BOLD prediction would be that one of the UDFA linemen like Bostic or Bass, or even 4th rounder Richards can make the leap from undrafted to starter like Steele did. The Cowboys really need to have one step up and take over LG at some point. There is a fine line between bold and lunacy..; we shall see.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He didn't say he wasn't going to be ready, he said he didn't know. The leap from "We don't know what he'll be ready for in August" to "He is going to miss games" is a blind guess. Maybe it's right, maybe it's not, but it's just a blind guess to think, from that statement, he's going to miss games. I could just as easily say "if he's close to ready for camp, he'll be 100% for week 1," but there's no actual reason to think that other than putting a positive spin.

Yes, it is irrelevant. He likely won't be 100% until 2024, so that's not really a factor in whether or not he plays in September 2023. Week 1 is 9 months from the injury, that's not a ridiculous timeline. You cite Gallup, but there are dozens of players who have returned in 9 months. Bryan Bulaga did that in GB in 2018.
https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...ckle-bryan-bulaga-cleared-practice/897902002/

You can talk to someone else about it more. I’ve shown you point blank issues and you either disregard or dont understand it.

Which im fine with.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Unless he has a set back Steele will start week 1. I don't think there is any question of this and of course no one is going to guarantee he is ready for training camp in a few weeks. I can't imagine he will be full go in TC and teams usually play this type of info very close to the vest. It just wouldn't make any sense to rush him out in TC or even play him in preseason games. But that has little to no bearing on week 1

There is a question thats what im saying. Disregard it all you want. And he wont be 100% either way.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Based on his limited snaps last preseason and how effusive the staff praise has been of his. If you go back and watch those snaps he really looked like he belonged,

Some guys just adjust quickly, see Daron Bland. But it’s more of a projection since the snaps have been so few.

A few preseason snaps against scrubs?

Thats not credible evidence.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/battle-lines-still-open-competition-at-left-guard

The bold predictions is that Tyler Smith starts the entire season at LG.

if that happens, it means Tyron stayed healthy all season and we know that hasn't happened in 6 years

 

[quickccc]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/battle-lines-still-open-competition-at-left-guard

The bold predictions is that Tyler Smith starts the entire season at LG.

Solaris should go with his best five players in the best positions for the team to succeed.

- And that's Tyron at LT ( not RT)
- Tyler at LG
- and Steele at RT ( not LG)

Tyler long term position will indeed eventually be LT .. He's a natural LT and he's been adamant that he feels more natural at OT.

But it makes more sense with Tyler who trained at LG all of last summer (undder Philibin) than having ACL recovering Steele being
forced to learn a new LG role - much less having Terrence reserve on the bench as good as a RT as he is.

If not Tyler at LG, then would it come down to Steele at LG ? .. or vet Edoga Chuma .. or rookies TJ Bass or Asin Richards ?

I think if a new player is just decent enuff we can barely get by ...as we did with Xavier Su'a-Filo and Brandon Knight but when compared to
someone like Tyler .. while having Tyron available at LT, why sub a Richards, Chuma or Bass or a ACL- Steele when we have a Tyler at LG ?

 

[817Gill]

A few preseason snaps against scrubs?

Thats not credible evidence.

You’re free to believe otherwise lol, just expressing my opinion on what I saw.

 

[xwalker]

Whiny Debbie Downer Syndrome. I hear there is a vaccine now for it.

A bullet?

 

[jazzcat22]

A few preseason snaps against scrubs?

Thats not credible evidence.

In PS games, coaches do not look who the players go up against as much as to what they do.
Are they doing what they are supposed to do in the schemes. Footwork, or route running as to what position of that player.

What adjustments they need to make to make them a better player.

Sure, it means nothing to us fans (what the coaches look for), we just want to see them make plays. Then give opinions. Some will say great and go overboard. Some will say, hey it is against other teams backups, and down play it. All of that is fine. You and I and the rest on here seen it all too much. Darius Jackson, Rico Gathers both fan favorites, then nothing. I can't remember what was said about Bland last year, but he was not over hyped. Look ok in PS games, against scrubs. Then, BOOM, he was far better than Joseph or Wright. 2 players the team pushed on us as being great picks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You’re free to believe otherwise lol, just expressing my opinion on what I saw.

And what did you see in those few snaps against scrubs?

 

[817Gill]

And what did you see in those few snaps against scrubs?

I saw a guy who looked athletic and poised. Ideal size for the position and high quality athletic traits. He was moving effortlessly and for a guy who was knocked for needing to add strength seemed to have no issue against the “scrubs”.