BCS chaos

[jimmy40]

Wait I think I understand the question better now.

I don't think there would be much of an outcry if the BCS Championship gave us an undeated TX against an undefeated AL/FL winner.Sure, all those other teams would whine and complain but it would mostly fall on deaf ears.

I would say the most chaotic scenario would be Texas, Alabama and Florida all losing 1 game between now and the end of the season, with Cincy, IA, BSU and TCU all remaining undefeated. Then we'd have 2 undeserving teams playing for a national championship and it would generate miniscule interest.

If Texas loses a game they'll drop so far nobody will care about them.

 

[Rogah]

If there are 5+ undefeated teams, that shouldn't fall on deaf ears. That's precisely the worst scenario for the BCS is to have a bunch of undefeated teams that don't have a shot at the championship.

Depends on which teams. History has shown that no one really cared when an undefeated Hawaii, Utah or Boise State didn't get to go to the championship game. So I doubt anyone would really get up in arms this year if BSU, TCU or even Cincinnati (sorry Big East, but you suck) were overlooked. But it sure would be tough to leave an undefeated Iowa out in the cold. They would be like Auburn circa 2004.

The best case scenario for the BCS is an undefeated TX plays undefeated AL/FL winner, and IA loses a game. There will not be any serious controversy about those 2 teams going to the BCS Championship no matter what happens to all the rest.

 

[Rogah]

If Texas loses a game they'll drop so far nobody will care about them.

Not if AL, FL, and IA all lost a game too. Which is why my hypothetical "most chaotic" scenario would be all the big-time teams lose 1 game and all the remaining mid-majors go undefeated.

Nothing would be a bigger joke than Cincy-TCU in the BCS title game.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Cincys looked better than Al/Fla.

 

[WarC]

I like the BCS system, but I think in years that there are more than two undefeated teams that they should all play in some kind of round-robin playoff to establish a final two.

 

[theogt]

Depends on which teams. History has shown that no one really cared when an undefeated Hawaii, Utah or Boise State didn't get to go to the championship game. So I doubt anyone would really get up in arms this year if BSU, TCU or even Cincinnati (sorry Big East, but you suck) were overlooked. But it sure would be tough to leave an undefeated Iowa out in the cold. They would be like Auburn circa 2004.

The best case scenario for the BCS is an undefeated TX plays undefeated AL/FL winner, and IA loses a game. There will not be any serious controversy about those 2 teams going to the BCS Championship no matter what happens to all the rest.

If you have one undefeated team like this, yeah, people can write it off. If you have four or five, it becomes a problem.

 

[Rogah]

If you have one undefeated team like this, yeah, people can write it off. If you have four or five, it becomes a problem.

Why's that? If the BCS Championship was set with TX and FL, then no one would care if either BSU went undefeated or TCU went undefeated or both of them did. Throw in an undefeated Cincy and you still probably wouldn't get anyone terribly upset. All the undefeated mid-majors in the world (sorry, Big East, you suck) won't matter to anyone if there are 2 dominant, undefeated teams from the majors.

IMHO, only an undefeated Iowa would cause serious problems, considering that would include wins over OSU and Penn State. The computers could very well have them 1st or 2nd.

 

[theogt]

Why's that? If the BCS Championship was set with TX and FL, then no one would care if either BSU went undefeated or TCU went undefeated or both of them did. Throw in an undefeated Cincy and you still probably wouldn't get anyone terribly upset. All the undefeated mid-majors in the world (sorry, Big East, you suck) won't matter to anyone if there are 2 dominant, undefeated teams from the majors.

IMHO, only an undefeated Iowa would cause serious problems, considering that would include wins over OSU and Penn State. The computers could very well have them 1st or 2nd.

Because it's a helluva lot easier to discard one team as not being that good than it is to look at five undefeated teams and say none of you deserve a shot at the championship.

 

[Dallas]

Why's that? If the BCS Championship was set with TX and FL, then no one would care if either BSU went undefeated or TCU went undefeated or both of them did. Throw in an undefeated Cincy and you still probably wouldn't get anyone terribly upset. All the undefeated mid-majors in the world (sorry, Big East, you suck) won't matter to anyone if there are 2 dominant, undefeated teams from the majors.

IMHO, only an undefeated Iowa would cause serious problems, considering that would include wins over OSU and Penn State. The computers could very well have them 1st or 2nd.

Excellent point and I agree. If Iowa goes undefeated then I believe based on sos alone that they will get the nod over any team outside of the SEC who might be undefeated.

 

[Rogah]

Because it's a helluva lot easier to discard one team as not being that good than it is to look at five undefeated teams and say none of you deserve a shot at the championship.

Not if all 5 of those undefeated teams are from crappy mid-major conferences. Now, of course, this year there are only 3 mid-major undefeateds remaining (yes, Cincy, you play in a mid-major).

Get back to me in about 5 weeks, and we'll see how many people care about the undefeated Broncos and Horned Frogs if TX and AL or FL are also undefeated.

 

[Biggems]

We know that if Bama and ** win out they meet in the SEC Championship game. The winner of that game goes to the BCS title game. If Texas wins out, they will be the opponent for the SEC winner.

Now who of significance to they have left to play?
UT - Kansas, A&M (Aggies have won 2 of the last 3) and most likely KSU (Colt is 0-2 vs KSU)
** - SoCar and most likely Bama
Bama - LSU and most likely **
Iowa - tOSU
Cincinnati - WVU, Pittsburgh
TCU - Utah
Boise St. - Idaho, Nevada

So here is my scenario to have 2 Texas teams in the title game....Texas runs the table of course...

TCU wins out
Bama loses to LSU
Florida loses to Bama
Cincinnati loses to either WVU or Pitt
Iowa loses to tOSU
Boise St loses to either Idaho or Nevada

Texas and TCU are the only two unbeatens left and play for the title.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

We know that if Bama and ** win out they meet in the SEC Championship game. The winner of that game goes to the BCS title game. If Texas wins out, they will be the opponent for the SEC winner.

Now who of significance to they have left to play?
UT - Kansas, A&M (Aggies have won 2 of the last 3) and most likely KSU (Colt is 0-2 vs KSU)
** - SoCar and most likely Bama
Bama - LSU and most likely **
Iowa - tOSU
Cincinnati - WVU, Pittsburgh
TCU - Utah
Boise St. - Idaho, Nevada

So here is my scenario to have 2 Texas teams in the title game....Texas runs the table of course...

TCU wins out
Bama loses to LSU
Florida loses to Bama
Cincinnati loses to either WVU or Pitt
Iowa loses to tOSU
Boise St loses to either Idaho or Nevada

Texas and TCU are the only two unbeatens left and play for the title.

Screw TX, we want BCS outrage so the playoff wheels start turning.

 

[DFWJC]

I think TCU would be ahead of Boise St if they both win out.

 

[theogt]

Not if all 5 of those undefeated teams are from crappy mid-major conferences.

It doesn't matter where they came from. You can't look at 5 undefeated teams and tell them none of you have a chance at a championship, regardless of what you do during the season.

 

[Rogah]

It doesn't matter where they came from. You can't look at 5 undefeated teams and tell them none of you have a chance at a championship, regardless of what you do during the season.

If all those teams are from mid-majors, and there are 2 dominant undefeated teams from major conferences (such as TX and AL/FL) then sure you can.

What you're saying simply has no basis in either logic or history. No one really got upset in the past over undefeated Utah, BSU or Hawaii being left out of the championship game so no one would care if TCU and BSU both went undefeated and both got left out.

Now an undefeated Iowa team would throw a wrench into things. In fact if Iowa went undefeated, I think it could very easily be Texas getting left out in the cold based on strength of schedule. Also it would throw a wrench into things if the big schools all lost a game and the mid-majors all went undefeated.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I am talking exclusively about the BCS Championship game. You would definitely hear people upset if an undefeated BSU or TCU got left out of the BCS Series. But if IA loses, and TX and FL/AL win out, then virtually no one will be serisouly upset about the Championship game being between those 2 teams no matter what happens to BSU, TCU and Cincy.

 

[DFWJC]

It doesn't matter where they came from. You can't look at 5 undefeated teams and tell them none of you have a chance at a championship, regardless of what you do during the season.

That is why a playoff is the ONLY way to ever get a true champion.

We don't know if an undefeated team from a non BCS conference does not have a once in a lifetime team that could in fact be the best team....unless it is decided on the field.

Having said that, you cannot ignore strength of schedule. I personally would rate a 1 loss SEC conf champ higher than a Boise St....but I would prefer they settle it on the field.

 

[DFWJC]

Now an undefeated Iowa team would throw a wrench into things. In fact if Iowa went undefeated, I think it could very easily be Texas getting left out in the cold based on strength of schedule. Also it would throw a wrench into things if the big schools all lost a game and the mid-majors all went undefeated.
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An undefeated Iowa team will not finish ahead of an undefeated Texas. And yes, if they run the table and still have no shot at a title, they (like anyone else in that position) will have a VERY good reason to upset. They can't help that the Big Ten is down lately. But that is how it works for now.

 

[Doomsday101]

We know that if Bama and ** win out they meet in the SEC Championship game. The winner of that game goes to the BCS title game. If Texas wins out, they will be the opponent for the SEC winner.

Now who of significance to they have left to play?
UT - Kansas, A&M (Aggies have won 2 of the last 3) and most likely KSU (Colt is 0-2 vs KSU)
** - SoCar and most likely Bama
Bama - LSU and most likely **
Iowa - tOSU
Cincinnati - WVU, Pittsburgh
TCU - Utah
Boise St. - Idaho, Nevada

So here is my scenario to have 2 Texas teams in the title game....Texas runs the table of course...

TCU wins out
Bama loses to LSU
Florida loses to Bama
Cincinnati loses to either WVU or Pitt
Iowa loses to tOSU
Boise St loses to either Idaho or Nevada

Texas and TCU are the only two unbeatens left and play for the title.

Frankly I would rather see Texas vs Florida or Alabama.

 

[MC KAos]

You guys seem to forget that LSU still controls their destiny in the SEC. If they beat Bama THEY have the tie breaker and THEY play in the SEC championship game, so what happens if LSU wins out? I think it would be hard to keep a 1 loss SEC team out of the championship game because of how ridiculously overrated that conference is

 

[DFWJC]

You guys seem to forget that LSU still controls their destiny in the SEC. If they beat Bama THEY have the tie breaker and THEY play in the SEC championship game, so what happens if LSU wins out? I think it would be hard to keep a 1 loss SEC team out of the championship game because of how ridiculously overrated that conference is

I mentioned that earlier. It would throw a wrench into things for sure.

As for the SEC being "ridiculously overrated"...well they do have a pretty good track record.
They have 5 BCS titles (with ZERO losses) in 11 years and have had 3 different teams play in and win the BCS national title game. They also had an undefeated and ridiculously talented Auburn team somehow get left out...so maybe they would have 4 teams (and 6 titles) in about 11 years. That is total dominance..and I'm not even an SEC guy.