BCS chaos

[MarionBarberThe4th]

How do we get it?

Have Fla or Ala lose once each and get a TCU, Iowa, Boise, Cincy in the title game? Thatd piss a lot of people off right?

 

[Hoofbite]

I think Florida and Alabama will play each other if they run the table. I know it wouldn't hurt either of their ranks a whole lot to lose to one another but it would knock one out of the title game.

 

[theogt]

I think Florida and Alabama will play each other if they run the table. I know it wouldn't hurt either of their ranks a whole lot to lose to one another but it would knock one out of the title game.

Florida and Alabama can't both run the table. SEC Championship.

I think the "chaos" scenario is the obvious scenario -- one of Ala/Fl play Texas and then you're left with four other undefeated teams not given a shot at the championship. How can a system where four undefeated teams not be given a chance at the national championship?

That's the biggest argument against the BCS.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

But if one slips up before they play, then beats the other what happens then? Iowa would have beaten Penn State and OSU. Cincy would have a few quality wins. Boise would have a case.

The best thing would to one day have like ND, OK, and Alabama all go undefeated

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Florida and Alabama can't both run the table. SEC Championship.

I think the "chaos" scenario is the obvious scenario -- one of Ala/Fl play Texas and then you're left with four other undefeated teams not given a shot at the championship.

But even thats not so bad for some people to defend. "SEC is bigger/faster, Boise would get killed!"

I think itd be more chaotic if a "crap" team got in. Big bad Fla getting bumped might change some things.

 

[Hoofbite]

Florida and Alabama can't both run the table. SEC Championship.

I think the "chaos" scenario is the obvious scenario -- one of Ala/Fl play Texas and then you're left with four other undefeated teams not given a shot at the championship. How can a system where four undefeated teams not be given a chance at the national championship?

That's the biggest argument against the BCS.

I meant run the table until they played each other.

 

[theogt]

But even thats not so bad for some people to defend. "SEC is bigger/faster, Boise would get killed!"

I think itd be more chaotic if a "crap" team got in. Big bad Fla getting bumped might change some things.

That's not a valid argument. You should narrow the BCS to only 3-4 conferences if you're going to make that argument.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

That's not a valid argument. You should narrow the BCS to only 3-4 conferences if you're going to make that argument.

Im not making that argument, but it would be made.

An undefeated Boise bumped by an undefeated Fla/Bama wouldnt matter nationally.

But an undefeated Boise bumping a 1 loss Fla/Bama would.

Im looking for BCS failure. Undefeated Texas/SEC doesnt do it. But if Boise, Cincy, Iowa, or TCU got in the title game the SEC gets pissed and playoff suppotters get more ammo.

 

[peplaw06]

True chaos....

Alabama and Florida go unbeaten into the SEC title game and it comes down to the last second or OT.

Texas runs the table but struggles with a couple. Every other unbeaten runs the table.

Florida and Alabama get into the BCS title game, putting a one-loss team in there and have 3 or 4 unbeatens shut out.

Can it happen? Who knows? I wouldn't like it, being a Texas fan. But that would be chaos.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

True chaos....

Alabama and Florida go unbeaten into the SEC title game and it comes down to the last second or OT.

Texas runs the table but struggles with a couple. Every other unbeaten runs the table.

Florida and Alabama get into the BCS title game, putting a one-loss team in there and have 3 or 4 unbeatens shut out.

Can it happen? Who knows? I wouldn't like it, being a Texas fan. But that would be chaos.

Texas is going to get upset this weekend by Central Florida. Problem solved!

 

[Ren]

Best chance for some chaos would be LSU beating Alabama then Alabama beating Florida in the SEC championship game

 

[Yeagermeister]

No need to add the word chaos behind BCS....it says it all :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I suspect that even a 1 loss SEC team would get into the BCS NC game. The thing that would really put a lot of pressure on that would be if Iowa went unbeaten. Lets say Iowa beats OSU on the road and goes undefeated. Lets also say that LSU beats Bama and then Bama beats unbeaten Florida in the SEC championship game convincingly, which is possible. Florida's run defense does not impress me. However, Bama's overall defense does. I could see them hammering Florida with Ingram and then shutting Florida's Offense down with that D. If that happened, there would be huge backlash IMO. The Big 10 has a lot of power, even though it's not as strong a conference IMO. If a team like Iowa went unbeaten, there would be lots of pressure to have them play for a National Championship. However, I don't believe they would take them over a 1 loss Bama team who just whipped the #1 team in the country.

 

[DFWJC]

How do we get it?

Have Fla or Ala lose once each and get a TCU, Iowa, Boise, Cincy in the title game? Thatd piss a lot of people off right?

Like last year, even the SEC Champ has a loss but wins the SEC title game, they may end up ahead of Boise et al.

The BCS is criminal....every other team sport on the planet has some sort of playoff to determine the champ. WTH. This irritates me every year, yet there are bozos like Cowlishaw who say a playoff would be bad.

There has NEVER been a true NCAA football champion. It is all artifical...even if #1 plays #2, those teams did not get there by playoff, so who knows if they are the top 2. Almost every year, the mismatched title game proves the best two teams were not there.

Question for the board. Did they finally fix the kink in the title game pairing by making it mandatory that a team must have at least won it's conference to be there?

 

[theogt]

Im not making that argument, but it would be made.

An undefeated Boise bumped by an undefeated Fla/Bama wouldnt matter nationally.

But an undefeated Boise bumping a 1 loss Fla/Bama would.

Im looking for BCS failure. Undefeated Texas/SEC doesnt do it. But if Boise, Cincy, Iowa, or TCU got in the title game the SEC gets pissed and playoff suppotters get more ammo.

No one can reasonably argue that FL/Bama with a loss should be in and an undefeated should not. They may believe that FL/Bama are better, but that doesn't mean they should be in the championship game. If you cant win your conference, you can't win the national title.

 

[Rogah]

How do we get it?

Have Fla or Ala lose once each and get a TCU, Iowa, Boise, Cincy in the title game? Thatd piss a lot of people off right?

I am not sure what you mean by "how do we get it?" If you mean "how does Texas get into the title game" then the answer is simple: Win out the rest of the season (obviously including the Big XII Championship).

Florida, Alabama and Texas all control their own destiny. It's Iowa, TCU, BSU and Cincy that have to hope for help.

 

[Rogah]

Wait I think I understand the question better now.

I don't think there would be much of an outcry if the BCS Championship gave us an undeated TX against an undefeated AL/FL winner.Sure, all those other teams would whine and complain but it would mostly fall on deaf ears.

I would say the most chaotic scenario would be Texas, Alabama and Florida all losing 1 game between now and the end of the season, with Cincy, IA, BSU and TCU all remaining undefeated. Then we'd have 2 undeserving teams playing for a national championship and it would generate miniscule interest.

 

[DFWJC]

Best chance for some chaos would be LSU beating Alabama then Alabama beating Florida in the SEC championship game

It could happen, but LSU would have to lose another game for them to be left out o the SEC title game if they beat Alabama. It it happned that way, I see a one loss Alabama team possibly still playing UT for the title.

 

[theogt]

Wait I think I understand the question better now.

I don't think there would be much of an outcry if the BCS Championship gave us an undeated TX against an undefeated AL/FL winner.Sure, all those other teams would whine and complain but it would mostly fall on deaf ears.

I would say the most chaotic scenario would be Texas, Alabama and Florida all losing 1 game between now and the end of the season, with Cincy, IA, BSU and TCU all remaining undefeated. Then we'd have 2 undeserving teams playing for a national championship and it would generate miniscule interest.

If there are 5+ undefeated teams, that shouldn't fall on deaf ears. That's precisely the worst scenario for the BCS is to have a bunch of undefeated teams that don't have a shot at the championship.

 

[jimmy40]

I suspect that even a 1 loss SEC team would get into the BCS NC game. The thing that would really put a lot of pressure on that would be if Iowa went unbeaten. Lets say Iowa beats OSU on the road and goes undefeated. Lets also say that LSU beats Bama and then Bama beats unbeaten Florida in the SEC championship game convincingly, which is possible. Florida's run defense does not impress me. However, Bama's overall defense does. I could see them hammering Florida with Ingram and then shutting Florida's Offense down with that D. If that happened, there would be huge backlash IMO. The Big 10 has a lot of power, even though it's not as strong a conference IMO. If a team like Iowa went unbeaten, there would be lots of pressure to have them play for a National Championship. However, I don't believe they would take them over a 1 loss Bama team who just whipped the #1 team in the country.

Wouldn't that put LSU in the SEC Championship game?