BCS chaos

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wouldn't that put LSU in the SEC Championship game?

Probably would Jimmy. I think their only loss is to Florida so if they went unbeaten the rest of the way, yeah, they would probably match up again against Florida. Now, what would be interesting is if they beat Florida in the SEC championship game. That would force the BCS to pick LSU over an unbeaten and if that unbeaten was Iowa from the Big 10, there would hell to pay. Especially since Florida beat LSU earlier in the year. That would really make things tough I would think.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Excellent point and I agree. If Iowa goes undefeated then I believe based on sos alone that they will get the nod over any team outside of the SEC who might be undefeated.

No, if they go unbeaten, one of the SEC teams goes unbeaten and Texas goes unbeaten, it will still be the winner of the SEC and Texas. Iowa will not have a shot at it IMO. Coaches don't believe they are better then either Bama, Florida or Texas. Doesn't matter thou. I think they are going to get stomped by the Buckeyes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We know that if Bama and ** win out they meet in the SEC Championship game. The winner of that game goes to the BCS title game. If Texas wins out, they will be the opponent for the SEC winner.

Now who of significance to they have left to play?
UT - Kansas, A&M (Aggies have won 2 of the last 3) and most likely KSU (Colt is 0-2 vs KSU)
** - SoCar and most likely Bama
Bama - LSU and most likely **
Iowa - tOSU
Cincinnati - WVU, Pittsburgh
TCU - Utah
Boise St. - Idaho, Nevada

So here is my scenario to have 2 Texas teams in the title game....Texas runs the table of course...

TCU wins out
Bama loses to LSU
Florida loses to Bama
Cincinnati loses to either WVU or Pitt
Iowa loses to tOSU
Boise St loses to either Idaho or Nevada

Texas and TCU are the only two unbeatens left and play for the title.

Never happen Biggems. If LSU beats Bama, chances are that LSU will run the table with just 1 loss and go to the SEC championship to play Florida who they have already lost to. If they beat #1 Florida, they avenge their only loss and LSU goes to the BCS game. If they lose, then it's Florida.

 

[MC KAos]

I mentioned that earlier. It would throw a wrench into things for sure.

As for the SEC being "ridiculously overrated"...well they do have a pretty good track record.
They have 5 BCS titles (with ZERO losses) in 11 years and have had 3 different teams play in and win the BCS national title game. They also had an undefeated and ridiculously talented Auburn team somehow get left out...so maybe they would have 4 teams (and 6 titles) in about 11 years. That is total dominance..and I'm not even an SEC guy.

I think LSU and Florida have been very good, but to me therest of the conference is no better than second tier teams from the big 12 or PAC 10 (like okie state, tech or Oregon). I don't think the top teams are overrated, but teams like south Carolina, ole miss, and even auburn earlier in the year vet way too much attention. And don't forget, alabama's big wins came against overrated Clemson and Virginia tech to start the last 2 years and then got spanked by Utah

 

[Rogah]

An undefeated Iowa team will not finish ahead of an undefeated Texas. And yes, if they run the table and still have no shot at a title, they (like anyone else in that position) will have a VERY good reason to upset. They can't help that the Big Ten is down lately. But that is how it works for now.

I am not so sure. The computers love Iowa, it's the people who don't. But if Iowa goes undefeated the rest of the way, they could easily end up #3 in both people-polls and #1 with the computers. That could very easily be enough to pass over Texas if they remain #2 in the people-polls, and #3 (or lower) with the computers.

 

[jimmy40]

I am not so sure. The computers love Iowa, it's the people who don't. But if Iowa goes undefeated the rest of the way, they could easily end up #3 in both people-polls and #1 with the computers. That could very easily be enough to pass over Texas if they remain #2 in the people-polls, and #3 (or lower) with the computers.

OU has lost 3 games and would still beat anyone in the Big 10 right now.

 

[MC KAos]

That's a big key to the computers too, I think OU will continue to win and climb in the polls as people start losing infrong of them, I could see them be in the top 12 by the time the last bcs ranking comes out. That can only benefit us, it's funny how I cheered against them hardcore vs BYU and Miami and now I wish they would have won at least one of them

 

[Rogah]

OU has lost 3 games and would still beat anyone in the Big 10 right now.

Maybe they would but that has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Rogah]

That's a big key to the computers too, I think OU will continue to win and climb in the polls as people start losing infrong of them, I could see them be in the top 12 by the time the last bcs ranking comes out. That can only benefit us, it's funny how I cheered against them hardcore vs BYU and Miami and now I wish they would have won at least one of them

It's a crazy system. It's almost like Texas would be better off just taking the weekend off next week instead of playing and beating Baylor. They could win by 80 and it won't matter; the computers will penalize them for adding a weak opponent to their overall SOS.

 

[mldardy]

OU has lost 3 games and would still beat anyone in the Big 10 right now.

I doubt that. They would have a hard time with Ohio St., Penn St, and Iowa. Everybody loves to dog the Big 10 but your statement is ridiculous. Oklahoma wasn't that great WITH Bradford. They lost to freaking BYU and you think they would run through the Big 10. I think not.

 

[MC KAos]

I don't think OU would have but Texas certainly would, and that's what the argument will be if both Texas and Iowa go undefeated

 

[jimmy40]

Maybe they would but that has nothing to do with what I said.

you're right, I meant to hit quick reply.

 

[jimmy40]

I doubt that. They would have a hard time with Ohio St., Penn St, and Iowa. Everybody loves to dog the Big 10 but your statement is ridiculous. Oklahoma wasn't that great WITH Bradford. They lost to freaking BYU and you think they would run through the Big 10. I think not.

OU's defense would donkey stomp any of those club footed offenses. Hell USC's pathetic *** defense shut down Ohio State.

 

[peplaw06]

I doubt that. They would have a hard time with Ohio St., Penn St, and Iowa. Everybody loves to dog the Big 10 but your statement is ridiculous. Oklahoma wasn't that great WITH Bradford. They lost to freaking BYU and you think they would run through the Big 10. I think not.

Um, Bradford got hurt in the BYU game. And OU had the lead when he did.

 

[Doomsday101]

Um, Bradford got hurt in the BYU game. And OU had the lead when he did.

The game was tied 7-7 bradford got hurt but on that drive OU would get 3 points to make it 10-7 at halftime

 

[theogt]

If all those teams are from mid-majors, and there are 2 dominant undefeated teams from major conferences (such as TX and AL/FL) then sure you can.

Not unless you're willing to tell them that their conference isn't part of the BCS. That's why it's easier to disregard just one undefeated team. If the focus is just on that one team, you can argue that they're better. But if the focus is on 5 teams, can you really say that if Texas played all five they would come out undefeated? Seems pretty unlikely to me.

The biggest argument against the BCS has always been if you have 5+ undefeated teams, regardless of where those teams came from.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I doubt that. They would have a hard time with Ohio St., Penn St, and Iowa. Everybody loves to dog the Big 10 but your statement is ridiculous. Oklahoma wasn't that great WITH Bradford. They lost to freaking BYU and you think they would run through the Big 10. I think not.

BYU is a good team. OU probably could beat Penn St. and Iowa. I don't know about Ohio St. if they played them there. If it were in Norman, I think they would beat them. OU is a lot better then there record shows. As OU gets more comfortable with their new QB, they are going to get better and better. I don't consider them top 5 but I would say that they could beat most teams in the Big 10. JMO

 

[Doomsday101]

Not unless you're willing to tell them that their conference isn't part of the BCS. That's why it's easier to disregard just one undefeated team. If the focus is just on that one team, you can argue that they're better. But if the focus is on 5 teams, can you really say that if Texas played all five they would come out undefeated? Seems pretty unlikely to me.

The biggest argument against the BCS has always been if you have 5+ undefeated teams, regardless of where those teams came from.

I do think there should be a playoff but I like the BCS better than what we had before in college football. I do think the matchups in the BCS bowls are better matchups with the top ranked teams.

As for teams like Boise I guess I would be a bit more sympathetic if they actually played more than 1 ranked team all season long while the remainder of their schedule is vs teams that are considered push over games vs the top conferences.

Only way I can see there ever being a real consensus though is some kind of playoff system using the top 10 teams however I’m not holding my breath for that to happen anytime soon

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not unless you're willing to tell them that their conference isn't part of the BCS. That's why it's easier to disregard just one undefeated team. If the focus is just on that one team, you can argue that they're better. But if the focus is on 5 teams, can you really say that if Texas played all five they would come out undefeated? Seems pretty unlikely to me.

The biggest argument against the BCS has always been if you have 5+ undefeated teams, regardless of where those teams came from.

Oh, I don't think that there is any question that they could beat all 5 of those teams. Now, if you said all 5 consecutively, that might be a bit of a problem but then again, none of the other 4 teams (Iowa, Cincy, TCU and Boise St.) could make the claim that they would have a realistic chance of winning all 5 games IMO. Only Texas and the winner of Fla/Bama, IMO, could be considered good enough to do that.

 

[Temo]

All I'm hearing is "well obviously these other teams aren't as good as Texas or Florida/Alabama." And that's exactly the point that Theogt and other are trying to say.

With 5 undefeated teams, we're just going to end up saying Team X and Team Y are better, so they will play for all the marbles. Then you have a bunch of teams that all they did was win all the games they had yet have no opportunity to prove themselves as the best. That's the best argument for a playoff system that there is.

Also, to the point of "schedule better opponents"... that type of argument works for the Utah's of the world, but doesn't work for Iowa, the Big East teams, or for Boise, who have actually tried to schedule tougher opponents, even on the road, but have found it hard to convince people.