BCS update - Texas #2 - Oklahoma #3

[Biggems]

I think OU should be #2 if they beat OSU but if they lose the Big 12 Championship, they shouldn't go to the big game.

are u completely insane? OU will not lose to Missouri......neither will Texas. TT may, but I highly doubt it.

 

[joseephuss]

Regardless of what happens to OU, I think if Baylor wins, Texas goes to the Big 12 Championship game (head to head with OU)

But I think OU will be #2 in the BCS if they beat OSU. I don't know if they'll let OU in the National Championship game if they didn't win the Big 12 championship. I know it's happened in the past but don't know if it'll happen again.

You are correct. If Baylor beats Tech then Texas will go to the Big XII championship game assuming that they beat A&M.

If Texas does indeed make it to the Big XII championship game and wins it then there is no way that OU jumps Texas in the BCS rankings.

If OU just beats OSU and Texas beats A&M, then maybe OU sneaks past Texas in the BCS rankings. That is going to be a close one.

 

[Biggems]

I want these games for my BCS....

Texas vs Bama - Orange Bowl - National Championship
OU vs Florida - Sugar Bowl
Penn St. vs USC - Rose Bowl
Utah vs Boise St. - Fiesta Bowl

Now I know USC can't make it if OSU wins out. I know Utah and BSU can't both make it. However, the games I want would make for some great BCS football, at least on paper.

 

[joseephuss]

I want these games for my BCS....

Texas vs Bama - Orange Bowl - National Championship
OU vs Florida - Sugar Bowl
Penn St. vs USC - Rose Bowl
Utah vs Boise St. - Fiesta Bowl

Now I know USC can't make it if OSU wins out. I know Utah and BSU can't both make it. However, the games I want would make for some great BCS football, at least on paper.

If Bama beats Florida then the Gators may not make a BCS game. That would give them 2 losses and the bowl games may look at other teams.

Also remember that the Orange Bowl is not the BCS National championship game. The Orange Bowl is just another BCS bowl game. The championship game is played in the same stadium a week later. It is the four games you mentioned plus the championship game.

 

[Route 66]

are u completely insane? OU will not lose to Missouri......neither will Texas. TT may, but I highly doubt it.

No offense but are you insane? If OU beats OSU and gets to the Big 12 and loses it, IMO they do not deserve to play for the National Championship.

 

[Route 66]

If OU just beats OSU and Texas beats A&M, then maybe OU sneaks past Texas in the BCS rankings. That is going to be a close one.

Agreed.

 

[jimmy40]

So if Texas and OU both get up big in their games this week and Stoops keeps running the no huddle to run up the score and he will and Mack Brown sits on the ball to not run up the score and he will :bang2: :bang2: , what happens in the polls? Of course it would be nice if Texas actually shows up against a&m this year.

 

[Draegerman]

If we get up on a&m and Mack goes into his normal run the ball up the middle for no gain and punt mode I will personally break both his arms so bad he'll never be able to clap again.

Jimmy,

Mack's not going to run up the score against lowly aTm. No matter how much you or I plead/beg/scream/yell at him to do so, it's just not going to happen. Brown is just too classy of a coach to try gaining style points with the pollsters by running 70+ points on the hapless Aggies and for some who can appreciate class over style - that's a good thing:


http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11108794

 

[jimmy40]

Jimmy,

Mack's not going to run up the score against lowly aTm. No matter how much you or I plead/beg/scream/yell at him to do so, it's just not going to happen. Brown is just too classy of a coach to try gaining style points with the pollsters by running 70+ points on the hapless Aggies and for some who can appreciate class over style - that's a good thing:


http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11108794

Yeah I know but what happens in the polls? Let's actually show up Thursday first.

 

[Route 66]

Jimmy,

Mack's not going to run up the score against lowly aTm. No matter how much you or I plead/beg/scream/yell at him to do so, it's just not going to happen. Brown is just too classy of a coach to try gaining style points with the pollsters by running 70+ points on the hapless Aggies and for some who can appreciate class over style - that's a good thing:


http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11108794

Wow. Now its about class. Apparently you need to rethink what you know about College Football. Unfortunately this is more than W's and L's. How bad you dismantle a team is also considered since perception is a big part of it as well. Did OU or any other team make those rules up? No.

If OU just won by 7 points, you'd have people all over talking about how they barely won. Stoops did it by convincing fashion because he knows that he's trying to move up as high as possible. If he was just trying to run the score up in the NFL, that would be a bad move. However I commend him for trying to get his team as high in the rankings as he can. I would think the same for any team in college football.

 

[Doomsday101]

Texas Tech dropping to 7 pretty much did them in, even if they beat Baylor that will not cause them to rise in the polls. As for OU I do think they have a chance to over take Texas with a win over OSU. Which is why I'll be pulling for OSU to win.

 

[Route 66]

Texas Tech dropping to 7 pretty much did them in, even if they beat Baylor that will not cause them to rise in the polls. As for OU I do think they have a chance to over take Texas with a win over OSU. Which is why I'll be pulling for OSU to win.

Thanks alot!

 

[Draegerman]

Wow. Now its about class. Apparently you need to rethink what you know about College Football. Unfortunately this is more than W's and L's. How bad you dismantle a team is also considered since perception is a big part of it as well. Did OU or any other team make those rules up? No.

This has nothing to do with what I know about college football and everything to do with the type of coach Mack Brown is known to be. Case in point, the article I referred to had commended Brown for refusing to run up the score against KU when Texas had the game in hand, up 35-7 heading into the 4th quarter of that game. Coach Mack could have kept the "pedal to the metal" and left his starters in to score more points but he opted to take them out and put in his 2nd and 3rd stringers the rest of the way. Now whether you or I think that this is the right approach to take when considering what's best for your team in the polls is irrelevant - this is the way that Coach Brown operates and I don't see him changing his philosophy anytime soon.

If OU just won by 7 points, you'd have people all over talking about how they barely won. Stoops did it by convincing fashion because he knows that he's trying to move up as high as possible. If he was just trying to run the score up in the NFL, that would be a bad move. However I commend him for trying to get his team as high in the rankings as he can. I would think the same for any team in college football.

Even though I can appreciate what you're saying, wasn't the point differential that a team won by removed as a determining factor for the BCS? Regardless, even if it was taken out of the BCS equation, humans still have the final say in which team goes and which team stays when picking the matchup for the NC - no doubt they'll remember the butt-whipping OU put on TT and how they fare against OSU.

 

[Route 66]

This has nothing to do with what I know about college football and everything to do with the type of coach Mack Brown is known to be. Case in point, the article I referred to had commended Brown for refusing to run up the score against KU when Texas had the game in hand, up 35-7 heading into the 4th quarter of that game. Coach Mack could have kept the "pedal to the metal" and left his starters in to score more points but he opted to take them out and put in his 2nd and 3rd stringers the rest of the way. Now whether you or I think that this is the right approach to take when considering what's best for your team in the polls is irrelevant - this is the way that Coach Brown operates and I don't see him changing his philosophy anytime soon.



Even though I can appreciate what you're saying, wasn't the point differential that a team won by removed as a determining factor for the BCS? Regardless, even if it was taken out of the BCS equation, humans still have the final say in which team goes and which team stays when picking the matchup for the NC - no doubt they'll remember the butt-whipping OU put on TT and how they fare against OSU.

You could very well be correct on the point differential. I was just referring to human nature and the factors that go into place when figuring in to the equation. I can appreciate a coach that doesn't run up the score however and the point you are making.

 

[thomas_22]

I hate the fact Texas beat O who and Texas might not even get a chance to play in the big 12 championship game. hopefully Muschamp's D wont let a&m score because like its been said Mack is to classey to run the score up even thought he should.

 

[Rogah]

This has nothing to do with what I know about college football and everything to do with the type of coach Mack Brown is known to be. Case in point, the article I referred to had commended Brown for refusing to run up the score against KU when Texas had the game in hand, up 35-7 heading into the 4th quarter of that game. Coach Mack could have kept the "pedal to the metal" and left his starters in to score more points but he opted to take them out and put in his 2nd and 3rd stringers the rest of the way. Now whether you or I think that this is the right approach to take when considering what's best for your team in the polls is irrelevant - this is the way that Coach Brown operates and I don't see him changing his philosophy anytime soon.

I am not trying to be a wiseguy here, just asking an honest question. Assuming they beat A&M, the margin of victory might go an awful long way towards influencing where they stand in the polls which will determine if they go to the Big XII Championship, which will determine if they go to the BCS Championship. Were those same circumstances in place for that game against KU you have mentioned here? Or was it just another game?

Even though I can appreciate what you're saying, wasn't the point differential that a team won by removed as a determining factor for the BCS? Regardless, even if it was taken out of the BCS equation, humans still have the final say in which team goes and which team stays when picking the matchup for the NC - no doubt they'll remember the butt-whipping OU put on TT and how they fare against OSU.

Some time ago (I want to say about 5 years, but I may be wrong) the powers-that-be at the BCS wanted to try to discourage teams from running up the score, so they made a rule that the computer polls cannot use margin of victory as a factor in determining standings. As far as the computers are concerned, a win is a win and a loss is a loss, no matter by how many points.

But, needless to say, human beings are slightly less rational than computers. Every voter is different and there's no doubt they will be influenced by close victories versus decisive victories. If Texas wins by 13 and OU wins by 45, it could seriously hurt Texas.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hate the fact Texas beat O who and Texas might not even get a chance to play in the big 12 championship game. hopefully Muschamp's D wont let a&m score because like its been said Mack is to classey to run the score up even thought he should.

Running up the score is not going to help him with the BCS computer rankings. Texas will be in the big 12 championship game with an OU loss to OSU and a Texas win.

 

[DFWJC]

I so hate the BCS.
And the fact that the Morning News gives Tim Cowlishaw a forum every year to bash playoffs disturbs me almost as much. I've never seen a more unfair, ludicrous system

 

[Chinfu]

Running up the score is not going to help him with the BCS computer rankings. Texas will be in the big 12 championship game with an OU loss to OSU and a Texas win.

Actually if OU loses to OSU and Tech wins over Baylor they will be headed to the Big 12 Champ game due to the head to head win over UT. It has to remain a 3 way tie in order for it to go the highest ranked team.

 

[joseephuss]

I am not trying to be a wiseguy here, just asking an honest question. Assuming they beat A&M, the margin of victory might go an awful long way towards influencing where they stand in the polls which will determine if they go to the Big XII Championship, which will determine if they go to the BCS Championship. Were those same circumstances in place for that game against KU you have mentioned here? Or was it just another game?
Some time ago (I want to say about 5 years, but I may be wrong) the powers-that-be at the BCS wanted to try to discourage teams from running up the score, so they made a rule that the computer polls cannot use margin of victory as a factor in determining standings. As far as the computers are concerned, a win is a win and a loss is a loss, no matter by how many points.

But, needless to say, human beings are slightly less rational than computers. Every voter is different and there's no doubt they will be influenced by close victories versus decisive victories. If Texas wins by 13 and OU wins by 45, it could seriously hurt Texas.

You are correct. The computers took out margin of victory from their equations. Don't some stats still use points per game and points given up per game? It is not exactly the same as margin of victory, but very similar in the end. The computers track stats and if a team is both scoring a lot of points and giving up few points it is going to look good in the computer rankings.