BCS update - Texas #2 - Oklahoma #3

[Hank Johnson]

if things were right in this world, ou and texas would be duking it out again for the conference title and not those pissant paper tigers from mizzou.

 

[DFWJC]

if things were right in this world, ou and texas would be duking it out again for the conference title and not those pissant paper tigers from mizzou.

I just keep thinking about Colorado a few years ago---UT beat them by about 60 and then lost to them in a rematch title game....ending their chance to play for Nat'l title.

 

[Draegerman]

I just keep thinking about Colorado a few years ago---UT beat them by about 60 and then lost to them in a rematch title game....ending their chance to play for Nat'l title.

Chris "***" Simms :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

[shakes head]

 

[Route 66]

ahhh i don't dislike you okies. it's all in good fun.

you're good people up there. JUST STAY AWAY FROM MY LAND or i'll be forced to use my shotgun. :

: Well, I'm not even from here but I like it for the family. It's a good location and Northeast Oklahoma isn't too bad.

 

[Hank Johnson]

I just keep thinking about Colorado a few years ago---UT beat them by about 60 and then lost to them in a rematch title game....ending their chance to play for Nat'l title.

yep. in '04 the horns could've knocked off the sooners toward the end of the season, yet ou goes on to play CU in the conference game, and then proceed to embarrass the conference against USC.

i honestly think the conference should seriously consider dropping the conference title game, and the team with the best record wins the conference. it's just so dumb that some have title games and others don't.

there is absolutely no reason a team like missouri should get a shot to win the title when they've embarrassed themselves all season while texas, ou, and tech... and even okie state have looked extremely impressive.

 

[Hank Johnson]

: Well, I'm not even from here but I like it for the family. It's a good location and Northeast Oklahoma isn't too bad.

just avoid the meth!!! LOL jk

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually if OU loses to OSU and Tech wins over Baylor they will be headed to the Big 12 Champ game due to the head to head win over UT. It has to remain a 3 way tie in order for it to go the highest ranked team.

Not sure about that because while Texas and OU both played a ranked team vs Missouri, Tech did not and the BCS computers will go by the toughness of schedule. I don’t see any way that Tech jumps from 7th ranking to #2 by beating Baylor

 

[Route 66]

This entire thread is proof positive at how ridiculous it is to continue this Bowl system in its current fashion. We have had page after page where we all could go on about why our own reasoning makes "insert team here" a worthy candidate for the title game.

 

[thekavorka]

You are correct. If Baylor beats Tech then Texas will go to the Big XII championship game assuming that they beat A&M.

If Texas does indeed make it to the Big XII championship game and wins it then there is no way that OU jumps Texas in the BCS rankings.

If OU just beats OSU and Texas beats A&M, then maybe OU sneaks past Texas in the BCS rankings. That is going to be a close one.

yeah. that's what i'm referring to.

if baylor beats Tech and OU beats OSU.

OU will probably jump to #2 in the BCS, but Texas will be playing in the Big 12 Championship game. Who competes for the National Championship Game? The Big 12 winner or the #2 team?

Another scenario is this:

OSU beats oklahoma. Tech goes to the Big 12 championship, and Texas is at #2. Tech won't jump ahead of Texas even if they beat Missouri in the Big 12 championship. Does Texas play in the National Championship game even though they didn't win the Big 12 championship?

 

[joseephuss]

yeah. that's what i'm referring to.

if baylor beats Tech and OU beats OSU.

OU will probably jump to #2 in the BCS, but Texas will be playing in the Big 12 Championship game. Who competes for the National Championship Game? The Big 12 winner or the #2 team?

Another scenario is this:

OSU beats oklahoma. Tech goes to the Big 12 championship, and Texas is at #2. Tech won't jump ahead of Texas even if they beat Missouri in the Big 12 championship. Does Texas play in the National Championship game even though they didn't win the Big 12 championship?

If Baylor beats Tech(doubtful) then Texas plays in the Big 12 title game. If Texas goes on to beat Mizzou in the title game they will probably end up being ranked #2 ahead of OU. I can't see voters putting OU ahead of Texas in that situation. Now if Bama and Florida both end up with 2 losses(again doubtful), then OU would be #2 while Texas is #1.

 

[CATCH17]

Those first place votes did not come from OU, Stoops withdrew from voting before the season.

OU could leap UT by beating a team by 40 who beat them. I'm tired of the head to head argument it's a 3 way tie and rankings is the tie breaker. If it came down to just OU and UT I would agree that UT should advance but so far that isn't the case.

What in the hell do they play games for then?

If head to head means nothing than College football regular season means nothing.

And even though its a 3 way tie im pretty dang sure nobody is factoring in Texas Tech.

Its between Texas & OU. There is no way you can legitmately put OU in over Texas. Sorry but get real.

 

[Rogah]

What in the hell do they play games for then?

If head to head means nothing than College football regular season means nothing.

And even though its a 3 way tie im pretty dang sure nobody is factoring in Texas Tech.

Its between Texas & OU. There is no way you can legitmately put OU in over Texas. Sorry but get real.

Head-to-head is the #1 tiebreaker, so obviously it counts for something very important. But when you have a 3 way tie where A beat B, B beat C and C beat A then you have to throw head-to-head out the window. Assuming all the favorites win this weekend, some team is going to go to the Big 12 championship ahead of another team who beat them and has the same record.

 

[CATCH17]

i think that if ou HANDILY beats o state then they should leap texas.

I agree with you 100% that ou getting 4 first place votes is absolutely absurd. maybe if alabama wasn't undefeated, but they are so those who voted ou 1 should definitely get called out.

also, i hear stoops decided not to vote in the coaches poll anymore so that's one less 1 vote for ou.

and saying texas won by double digits really makes it sound like they blew ou out... lol.. it was double digits by 1 point. and i think most understand that the ou that played in dallas was not the team that we are seeing now.
i'm just trying to put things into perspective and not be totally biased here.

OU is going to jump Texas even if they lay a stinker if the voting stays the same.

And saying that this OU team is not the same OU team that played Texas is just laughable.

Did you watch OU early in the season? Did you see how they were destroying every team in their path prior to Texas?

I don't think you did.

OU was just as dominant then as they were now.

The biggest difference is Texas had to play a gauntlet schedule and had to beat 4 teams that were ranked in the top 10 4 weeks in a row and they lost on the last play of the game on the road vs a team who hadn't played anyone all year.

OU got tech after Tech had a tough stretch of games, off a bye, @ home.

OU was just as dominant before the Texas game. They went into the RRS, heavily favored, and lost 45 to 35 and gave Texas their best shot.

END OF STORY.

 

[CATCH17]

Head-to-head is the #1 tiebreaker, so obviously it counts for something very important. But when you have a 3 way tie where A beat B, B beat C and C beat A then you have to throw head-to-head out the window. Assuming all the favorites win this weekend, some team is going to go to the Big 12 championship ahead of another team who beat them and has the same record.

As a human voter you have to take all things into account.

Texas situation going into that Tech game was not good. It couldn't have been any worse.

OU's situation going into the Tech game couldn't have been any better.

Texas would have had to do something that hadn't been done in 70 years and they lost on the last play of the game.

You can't say OU is better than Texas because that is mythical. Fact is Texas beat OU on a Neutral field.

But since College football is a mythical sport and doesn't crown a real champ than fans and players just get screwed.

 

[Rogah]

If Baylor beats Tech(doubtful) then Texas plays in the Big 12 title game. If Texas goes on to beat Mizzou in the title game they will probably end up being ranked #2 ahead of OU. I can't see voters putting OU ahead of Texas in that situation. Now if Bama and Florida both end up with 2 losses(again doubtful), then OU would be #2 while Texas is #1.

I don't think it's about the voters as much as it is about the computers. OU is in great position to pass Texas and here's why: There are 6 computer polls and here are how the 2 teams are ranked (in no particular order):

Texas - 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
Oklahoma - 1, 2, 4, 4, 4, 5

The #1 tie-breaker computers use is strength of schedule. OU is actually lucky that they are playing such a good team this weekend. Texas can win and there just ain't any room for improvement (especially when playing such a mediocre team).

But if OU wins, then a couple of those 4's or the 5 will improve by a notch. Now that may not seem like much, but all it would take would be an improvement of 2 notches to improve their computer score by 1/10th of a point, which is all they need to pass Texas.

 

[DFWJC]

The biggest difference is Texas had to play a gauntlet schedule and had to beat 4 teams that were ranked in the top 10 4 weeks in a row and they lost on the last play of the game on the road vs a team who hadn't played anyone all year.

OU got tech after Tech had a tough stretch of games, off a bye, @ home.

OU was just as dominant before the Texas game. They went into the RRS, heavily favored, and lost 45 to 35 and gave Texas their best shot.

END OF STORY.

Sums it up fairly well....you can't underestimate college kids having to play muliple ranked opponents in a row with the last game being on the road.

 

[Dallas]

OU is going to jump Texas even if they lay a stinker if the voting stays the same.

And saying that this OU team is not the same OU team that played Texas is just laughable.

Did you watch OU early in the season? Did you see how they were destroying every team in their path prior to Texas?

I don't think you did.

OU was just as dominant then as they were now.

The biggest difference is Texas had to play a gauntlet schedule and had to beat 4 teams that were ranked in the top 10 4 weeks in a row and they lost on the last play of the game on the road vs a team who hadn't played anyone all year.

OU got tech after Tech had a tough stretch of games, off a bye, @ home.

OU was just as dominant before the Texas game. They went into the RRS, heavily favored, and lost 45 to 35 and gave Texas their best shot.

END OF STORY.

Its not a completly different OU team but it is a completely different team in some areas.

During the Texas game.

RUNNING GAME:

1. Demarco Murray wasnt playing like the mad-man that he is now. He was still tenative at the point of contact because of his knee.

2. OU didnt run the ball consistently enough w/ Chris Brown when Murray wasn't cutting it in the Texas game. They stayed w/ Murray to much if you ask me.

3. Oklahoma lost its defensive captain and argueably its best defensive player Ryan Reynolds in the Texas game in the 2nd half. That was huge for OU. Oklahoma has just now started getting things straightened out in the middle on its D. They are playing the Red-shirt freshman Box now in his place. It took Box a bit to get acclimated, but he is playing very solid right now and it shows on the defense.

It may be me being a homer right now but I think if could be an entirely different outcome if the game were to be played again.

Texas won the game - fair and square. Im just trying to show the differences then and now. =)

End of story.

 

[Hank Johnson]

OU is going to jump Texas even if they lay a stinker if the voting stays the same.

And saying that this OU team is not the same OU team that played Texas is just laughable.

Did you watch OU early in the season? Did you see how they were destroying every team in their path prior to Texas?

I don't think you did.

OU was just as dominant then as they were now.

The biggest difference is Texas had to play a gauntlet schedule and had to beat 4 teams that were ranked in the top 10 4 weeks in a row and they lost on the last play of the game on the road vs a team who hadn't played anyone all year.

OU got tech after Tech had a tough stretch of games, off a bye, @ home.

OU was just as dominant before the Texas game. They went into the RRS, heavily favored, and lost 45 to 35 and gave Texas their best shot.

END OF STORY.

Hardly the end of story. In your mind, maybe.

OU's running game struggled up until a few weeks ago. It didn't look good against any team, including TCU and Cincy.

Also, OU's non con schedule is more impressive than the 'horns. Mizzou was overrated, and Okie State almost beat them at home. Then they got beat by Tech, dominated in the first quarter.

OU has progressed and Texas has stayed the same. Ryan Reynolds played a huge factor in their loss to us. -6 yards rushing with him, 161 without. Plus, Demarco Murray just didn't look like the same Murray that we've seen over the past few weeks.

I understand your infatuation with the goons, but your clouded bias is "laughable."

I think Alabama would beat OU because Saban is the best coach in college football. Florida would defeat them as well.

OU is the hottest thing going in the Big 12 right now. I don't like it, but you gotta look past the kool aid jug every once and awhile.

And yes, I have watched every single OU and Texas game from start to finish. Exept for when they're playing at the same time then I obviously watch the horns. I never miss either one. I have a good college football package.

We both have decent arguments, but for you to sit here and call everyone else's argument "laughable" is just as laughable as OU jumping Texas just because of one performance.

 

[Dallas]

Hardly the end of story. In your mind, maybe.

OU's running game struggled up until a few weeks ago. It didn't look good against any team, including TCU and Cincy.

Also, OU's non con schedule is more impressive than the 'horns. Mizzou was overrated, and Okie State almost beat them at home. Then they got beat by Tech, dominated in the first quarter.

OU has progressed and Texas has stayed the same. Ryan Reynolds played a huge factor in their loss to us. -6 yards rushing with him, 161 without. Plus, Demarco Murray just didn't look like the same Murray that we've seen over the past few weeks.

I understand your infatuation with the goons, but your clouded bias is "laughable."

I think Alabama would beat OU because Saban is the best coach in college football. Florida would defeat them as well.

OU is the hottest thing going in the Big 12 right now. I don't like it, but you gotta look past the kool aid jug every once and awhile.

And yes, I have watched every single OU and Texas game from start to finish. Exept for when they're playing at the same time then I obviously watch the horns. I never miss either one. I have a good college football package.

We both have decent arguments, but for you to sit here and call everyone else's argument "laughable" is just as laughable as OU jumping Texas just because of one performance.

DUDE !! Wow! Ummmm are you my lost brother?

Jerold? Is that you?

You bring a real good unbiased take to this board. Its nice having you here Hank, I don't know if I ever said that.

 

[Hank Johnson]

Sums it up fairly well....you can't underestimate college kids having to play muliple ranked opponents in a row with the last game being on the road.

Nor can you underestimate challenges EARLY in the season against competent non conference foes. One in which is about to become the Big East champion, and the other is a well ranked, and very competent Texas Christian. Btw I am quite partial to the frogs.

Cincy is about to win their conference with I BELIEVE their third string QB. OU knocked out their 1st stringer who looked quite well against the goondocks. Was his name Grutza?

TCU gives everyone fits in non conference play. I know neither of these are big time heavyweights, but neither is Mizzou or Okie State.

I doubt it'd be a "sure thing" if TCU or Cincy were to play either one of those two teams i just previously mentioned.

Texas and ou both have compelling arguments which drives me to believe that the most impressive team RIGHT NOW deserves to play for the conference.