BCS update - Texas #2 - Oklahoma #3

[Rogah]

I so hate the BCS.
And the fact that the Morning News gives Tim Cowlishaw a forum every year to bash playoffs disturbs nme almost as much. I've never seen a more unfair, ludicrous system

I like Tim Cowlishaw but he is an idiot on matters relating to the BCS. His favorite mantra is "There already is a playoff tournament in college football - it's called the regular season."

Oh, really Tim? If that's true then how come Auburn can go undefeated and still not play for the championship? What kind of a tournament is that? And what kind of a tournament allows a team to lose a game and advance to the next round while others lose a game and not advance?

Not to mention the ludicrousness of a system where 2 teams are undefeated (Utah and Boise St.) and not even mentioned in the championship discussion.

 

[joseephuss]

Actually if OU loses to OSU and Tech wins over Baylor they will be headed to the Big 12 Champ game due to the head to head win over UT. It has to remain a 3 way tie in order for it to go the highest ranked team.

Texas beats A&M
OU beats OSU
Tech beats Baylor
3 way tie with highest ranked team in the BCS going to the Big 12 title game.

Texas beats A&M
OU beats OSU
Tech loses to Baylor
Texas goes to Big 12 title game

Texas beats A&M
OU loses to OSU
Tech beats Baylor
Tech goes to Big 12 title game

Texas loses to A&M
OU beats OSU
Tech beats Baylor
OU goes to Big 12 title game

Texas loses to A&M
OU loses to OSU
Tech loses to Baylor
That would just be a mess and no team likely to win a national title.

 

[CATCH17]

You are correct. If Baylor beats Tech then Texas will go to the Big XII championship game assuming that they beat A&M.

If Texas does indeed make it to the Big XII championship game and wins it then there is no way that OU jumps Texas in the BCS rankings.

If OU just beats OSU and Texas beats A&M, then maybe OU sneaks past Texas in the BCS rankings. That is going to be a close one.

If all things stay the same OU will move ahead of Texas next week.

OU got an absurd amount of votes go their way in the human polls.

They also got 4 1st place votes which is a crock of you know what.

Unless the humans come to their senses Texas will get leaped by a team they beat by double digits.

 

[DFWJC]

I like Tim Cowlishaw but he is an idiot on matters relating to the BCS. His favorite mantra is "There already is a playoff tournament in college football - it's called the regular season."

Oh, really Tim? If that's true then how come Auburn can go undefeated and still not play for the championship? What kind of a tournament is that? And what kind of a tournament allows a team to lose a game and advance to the next round while others lose a game and not advance?

Not to mention the ludicrousness of a system where 2 teams are undefeated (Utah and Boise St.) and not even mentioned in the championship discussion.

Tell about it....my thoughts exaclty. Not to mention that it allows a team that got smoked in it's conf champ game to play for the title. (see OU).

BTW, that Auburn team looks better every year I watch the NFL. Know for their top rated D, they also had Ronnie Brown, Brandon Jacobs, Cad Williams, Jason Campbell.....etc, freaking etc. To run the table with a team like that in THAT league and not even get to play for the National title is beyond preposterous.

 

[Route 66]

Texas beats A&M
OU beats OSU
Tech loses to Baylor
Texas goes to Big 12 title game

Doubtful.

 

[Chinfu]

If all things stay the same OU will move ahead of Texas next week.

OU got an absurd amount of votes go their way in the human polls.

They also got 4 1st place votes which is a crock of you know what.

Unless the humans come to their senses Texas will get leaped by a team they beat by double digits.

Those first place votes did not come from OU, Stoops withdrew from voting before the season.

OU could leap UT by beating a team by 40 who beat them. I'm tired of the head to head argument it's a 3 way tie and rankings is the tie breaker. If it came down to just OU and UT I would agree that UT should advance but so far that isn't the case.

 

[Hank Johnson]

If all things stay the same OU will move ahead of Texas next week.

OU got an absurd amount of votes go their way in the human polls.

They also got 4 1st place votes which is a crock of you know what.

Unless the humans come to their senses Texas will get leaped by a team they beat by double digits.

i think that if ou HANDILY beats o state then they should leap texas.

I agree with you 100% that ou getting 4 first place votes is absolutely absurd. maybe if alabama wasn't undefeated, but they are so those who voted ou 1 should definitely get called out.

also, i hear stoops decided not to vote in the coaches poll anymore so that's one less 1 vote for ou.

and saying texas won by double digits really makes it sound like they blew ou out... lol.. it was double digits by 1 point. and i think most understand that the ou that played in dallas was not the team that we are seeing now.

i'm just trying to put things into perspective and not be totally biased here.

 

[Route 66]

i think that if ou HANDILY beats o state then they should leap texas.

I agree with you 100% that ou getting 4 first place votes is absolutely absurd. maybe if alabama wasn't undefeated, but they are so those who voted ou 1 should definitely get called out.

also, i hear stoops decided not to vote in the coaches poll anymore so that's one less 1 vote for ou.

and saying texas won by double digits really makes it sound like they blew ou out... lol.. it was double digits by 1 point. and i think most understand that the ou that played in dallas was not the team that we are seeing now.

i'm just trying to put things into perspective and not be totally biased here.

As much as you dislike us here in Oklahoma, thanks for the unbiased post.

 

[DFWJC]

i think that if ou HANDILY beats o state then they should leap texas.

I agree with you 100% that ou getting 4 first place votes is absolutely absurd. maybe if alabama wasn't undefeated, but they are so those who voted ou 1 should definitely get called out.

also, i hear stoops decided not to vote in the coaches poll anymore so that's one less 1 vote for ou.

I would still put UT ahead of OU...but agree that if the Sooners really stomp OSU, I may have to rethink it some.

Also, 4 1st place votes for OU is VERY dicey. Stoops has several ex-assistants now voting, so maybe that's where it came from.

I disagree with the previous poster who said head-to-head is not key here. Sure it is. OSU won a home game vs TT (easily) , TT won a home game vs UT (on the last play), and UT won a neutral site game vs OU (convincingly)....all else equal that adds up to UT being rated higher than OU unless they lose. Home field is HUGE.

FWIW, I think it there was tourney, we might see Florida playing USC....but any of 5-6 teams could win a tourney and none of us really know because this sytem is a joke.

 

[Route 66]

I would still put UT ahead of OU...but agree that if the Sooners really stomp OSU, I may have to rethink it some.

Ah so now its ok to run up the score?

 

[Draegerman]

I am not trying to be a wiseguy here, just asking an honest question. Assuming they beat A&M, the margin of victory might go an awful long way towards influencing where they stand in the polls which will determine if they go to the Big XII Championship, which will determine if they go to the BCS Championship. Were those same circumstances in place for that game against KU you have mentioned here? Or was it just another game?

Oh absolutely! Especially when you consider that KU was a much higher ranked team back then than A&M will be ranked now. That victory obviously carried more weight which, if you recall, helped Texas pass OU in the Coaches' Poll in spite of the fact that Coach Brown refused to run up the score when he took out his starters on offense and defense for the start of the 4th quarter. Here is the quote by Brown when asked if he thought his team had done enough winning that game:

"If 35-7 against Kansas on the road isn't a good enough win for someone, we'll just go wherever they tell us to go."

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/gamecenter/recap/NCAAF_20081115_TX@KS


The best UT can hope for playing against the Aggies is a status quo in the BCS rankings, but that's only going to happen if they score 70+ points against them while preventing A&M from scoring (or keeping them in the single digits). Not going to happen, imo, knowing Brown and his approach to the game.

 

[Route 66]

Sure it is. OSU won a home game vs TT (easily) ,

huh???

 

[Chinfu]

i think that if ou HANDILY beats o state then they should leap texas.

I agree with you 100% that ou getting 4 first place votes is absolutely absurd. maybe if alabama wasn't undefeated, but they are so those who voted ou 1 should definitely get called out.

also, i hear stoops decided not to vote in the coaches poll anymore so that's one less 1 vote for ou.

and saying texas won by double digits really makes it sound like they blew ou out... lol.. it was double digits by 1 point. and i think most understand that the ou that played in dallas was not the team that we are seeing now.

i'm just trying to put things into perspective and not be totally biased here.

Good post.

BTW, I'm not saying OU should go over UT to the Championship game just want to agree with you that it isn't as easy as some believe it is to figure out on both sides of argument. Or should I say all three sides, although tech is hurting right now they have a dog in the fight.

 

[DFWJC]

huh???

uhh, I meant OU.

 

[DFWJC]

Ah so now its ok to run up the score?

Not really. But if it was an obvious mismatch, I would at least give moving them up a second thought. If you read my post, I think it's obvious that I would most likely not put OU ahead of UT under any scenario unless UT losses and OU does not.

 

[Route 66]

uhh, I meant OU.

Gotcha.

 

[Route 66]

Not really. But if it was an obvious mismatch, I would at least give moving them up a second thought. If you read my post, I think it's obvious that would most likely not put OU ahead of UT under any scenario unless UT losses and OU does not.

I don't agree with the assumption that most believe if OU wins and Texas wins, then it's a shoe-in for UT.

 

[Hank Johnson]

As much as you dislike us here in Oklahoma, thanks for the unbiased post.

ahhh i don't dislike you okies. it's all in good fun.

you're good people up there. JUST STAY AWAY FROM MY LAND or i'll be forced to use my shotgun. :

 

[DFWJC]

I don't agree with the assumption that most believe if OU wins and Texas wins, then it's a shoe-in for UT.

I don't agree with that either. Are there really those out there that believe that? I'd say there's no shoe-in either way.

 

[Draegerman]

I don't agree with the assumption that most believe if OU wins and Texas wins, then it's a shoe-in for UT.

That's not what I believe and I consider myself to be one of the staunchest supporters of the Longhorns.