Be Careful what you wish for about letting Garrett go

Who really cares if Clapper "knows how to handle Jerry". Do you really see any evidence of this? Jerry is still spouting off on a weekly basis, still handing out free money, still 100% front and center.

Does it even matter? Who cares if the new guy is bad. I am tired of mediocre. Mediocre is a curse. Finish just well enough to avoid the top talent, but not well enough to ever be taken seriously by anyone.
 
I really like the idea of Mike Zimmer. I think he has really evolved into a top notch coach with a pretty good scheme and he isn't afraid to try new things. The only problem I have is what direction would he want to go with the offense? Who would he bring in for it?
 
Chocolate Lab said:
You should research Zimmer a little more. He couldn't be more different from Garrett.
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Not his personality, but the fact that he has not been head coach in college or the NFL. Dealing with both the DFW media, Jerry and the national media spotlight that always seems to be on the Cowboys (Ed Werder, etc..) could be overwhelming to many great assistant coaches. I know Zimmer is a coach that show more fire than Garrett and cusses a lot, but I don't know if he has that super confident personality like Sean Payton.
 
CATCH17 said:
Garrett may be looked back on as being just as bad if not worse when you compare the rosters each coach had to work with.
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He may. It'll depend who's doing the looking back.

There's no doubt the Campo rosters flat out stunk.
 
xwalker said:
Yes, when you consider Garrett's issues, you have to also consider Jerry and his relationship with the Head Coach.

My feeling is that Garrett knows how to deal with Jerry about as well as anyone could. I think the combination of Garrett and Stephen Jones minimize Jerry's actual input to the football operations while still letting Jerry appear to run the show. Jerry's input is never going to be Zero.

Parcells overbearing nature caused Jerry to need to show off and resulted signing TO.

Wade offered no resistance to Jerry which resulted in the 2009 draft and the Roy Williams trade.

If Garrett is fired, Jerry could do a lot of damage while the new Head Coach is figuring out how to deal with Jerry.

The only coach that I'm confident could take charge of the Cowboys while still letting Jerry be Jerry is Sean Payton, but he's not available.

I just don't know if a guy like David Shaw at Stanford would be prepared to deal with Jerry.

Maybe a guy like Mike Zimmer that has already worked for Jerry could do it, but I just don't know if he is much different than Garrett.
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If I could like this ten times I would.
 
CATCH17 said:
Garrett may be looked back on as being just as bad if not worse when you compare the rosters each coach had to work with.
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It Garrett were fired, the new coach would inherit a better situation than Parcells inherited from Campo or what Garrett inherited from Wade.

Wade allowed the players to have a sense of entitlement that had to be eliminated from the team. Ratliff developed his attitude while Wade was the HC. He would never have developed that attitude with Parcells or Jimmy as the Head Coach. I don't think Garrett is allowing any of the young players to develop that type of attitude that was prevalent when Wade was here. Garrett has also done much better at keeping Jerry from doing anything crazy in the draft or making trades for Roy Williams or Joey Galloway.

Garrett might never win, but the roster that the new coach inherits will be much closer to the situation that Reid inherited in KC or that Harbaugh inherited in SF than the situations that remainder after Campo and after Wade.
 
xwalker said:
It Garrett were fired, the new coach would inherit a better situation than Parcells inherited from Campo or what Garrett inherited from Wade.

Wade allowed the players to have a sense of entitlement that had to be eliminated from the team. Ratliff developed his attitude while Wade was the HC. He would never have developed that attitude with Parcells or Jimmy as the Head Coach. I don't think Garrett is allowing any of the young players to develop that type of attitude that was prevalent when Wade was here. Garrett has also done much better at keeping Jerry from doing anything crazy in the draft or making trades for Roy Williams or Joey Galloway.

Garrett might never win, but the roster that the new coach inherits will be much closer to the situation that Reid inherited in KC or that Harbaugh inherited in SF than the situations that remainder after Campo and after Wade.
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Yea, that awful situation with a core of Parcells players after having just won the first playoff game in 16 years. Poor, poor Red. Never had a chance.
 
Think Clock Management what coach in the NFL comes to mind? Enough said.
 
17yearsandcounting said:
Yea, that awful situation with a core of Parcells players after having just won the first playoff game in 16 years. Poor, poor Red. Never had a chance.
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No kidding. I thought that myth had died along with the famous "Garrett can't run the ball because Wade doesn't hit enough in practice" (even though Wade had top-3 rushing offenses in Buffalo) and "Garrett's offense commits so many penalties because Wade is too lenient."

Of course, neither improved one bit once Garrett got the job.

To some people, nothing will ever be his fault.
 
I'm not really going to look at the defense and hold that against Garrett or anyone else. You can scream coach failure all you want but you can't be scrubs on the field and compete with good teams. If you want to fire someone over the defense then look at Jerry. His cap problems, poor trades, and until recently bad drafts have put this franchise at 143/139 since the 1996 season.

I'll say this in Garrett's favor. Since his arrival the arrow has pointed up. Some are sick of this most likely but you can't really evaluate the job Garrett has done overall the last two years due to the decimation of the defense.

Now what bother's me is the penalties (which to be fair have gone on for almost two decades), mistakes, at times poor time management and HCing decisions, and lately the performance of the players esp the OL. I know Bernie has screwed up the chemistry and he looked horrible in what I say of the NOs game. But Witten and all were blocking the wrong guys at times. They were trying to run the ball with 9 guys in the box. Now it takes guts to run at nine but if you get thru the LOS you can break that in a hurry. But if you're blocking that poorly (and guys in the box should see that and let Garrett know) then you must throw the ball. Another thing that bears more inspection (too small a sample size) but once again the other team seems to know when it's a run or pass. That is a monstrous red flag if it is true which to an untrained eye may be the case. But we heard and read a lot about being predictable. This is the first I've said of this with even uncertain conviction.

I'm not smart enough to know what all the problems are and I would give anyone a pass on the defense the last two years. But I can't forgive persistent problems on the offense. Now to be fair, we were scoring almost 30 a game until very recently. But if you look at the team's offense since the end of 2007 you'll see an offense that is failing to score enough points.
 
Jerry will probably screw up the next coaching hire but im ready to be entertained again.

With Jason Garrett I know what im getting and I don't like his style of coaching.

I want to play to win games and not hope everything unravels our way.
 
17yearsandcounting said:
Yea, that awful situation with a core of Parcells players after having just won the first playoff game in 16 years. Poor, poor Red. Never had a chance.
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BS. He inherited a 1-7 team that had quit on the HC, had too many over the hill guys, and a severe talent deficit on the overall roster. You can ding him on several issues but inheriting a great team and bungling it is not a problem. Now if you want to complain that the entire organization has not achieved despite the talents of Romo, Witten and Ware then I'm with you.
 
Name someone out there that people are dying to hire and isn't married to someone else?
 
Idgit said:
It's tough to beat the Dave Campo hire, honestly. But, yeah, there's a lot of overstating absurd opinions for dramatic effect going on right now.
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The only worse hire could be if the Dolphins fire Philbin and Jerry Jones hires him. Now that would be pure comedy.
 
The arrow is pointed up? Oh dear.

Uhh, no the arrow is pointed sideways.

And its comical that Jason gets a pass for the defensive bungling but it was always Waddle's fault for the offense bungling. Buck stops with the head coach, right? Or just the one's you dont like?
 
17yearsandcounting said:
Yea, that awful situation with a core of Parcells players after having just won the first playoff game in 16 years. Poor, poor Red. Never had a chance.
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Chocolate Lab said:
No kidding. I thought that myth had died along with the famous "Garrett can't run the ball because Wade doesn't hit enough in practice" (even though Wade had top-3 rushing offenses in Buffalo) and "Garrett's offense commits so many penalties because Wade is too lenient."

Of course, neither improved one bit once Garrett got the job.

To some people, nothing will ever be his fault.
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*Sigh*. 1-7. That roster. That situation. That core of players. Four years removed from Bill Parcels.

That roster had a lot of talent. It had a lot of holes. If that can't be considered in the context of this conversation, then it's really not a conversation worth having.
 
I feel sorry for all the former coaches setup to fail cause of Jerry. Switzer, Campo, Gailey Phillips and now Garrett. All setup to Fail by JJ. The only one not setup was Parcells cause he went into it eyes wide open knowing JJ was the GM and a control freak. Seriously ... why would anyone take this gig until JJ steps away as the GM? You are setting yourself up for failure cause the GM wont get you the players you need to be successful. Your spotting the other team points every game ... cause they have more depth and probably better players.
 
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