Be Careful what you wish for about letting Garrett go

[TNCowboy]

Epic thread. I think most fans have finally come to accept that Jones is poison, and that the best we have to look forward to for the forseeable future is what sort of idiocy he will put out there and try to sell next.

Campo guess/comparison for next coach is spot on. No way Jones is going back to "walking on eggshells", or getting kicked out of the lockeroom. Someone could start a thread by looking around the league for the 10 mostly likely lovable losers now. If he hadn't burned his bridge with Rob Ryan, he might've fit the bill.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

*Sigh*. 1-7. That roster. That situation. That core of players. Four years removed from Bill Parcels.

That roster had a lot of talent. It had a lot of holes. If that can't be considered in the context of this conversation, then it's really not a conversation worth having.

That team was picked to go to the SB before the season started. That team out and out quit. there was talent there but not much character.

 

[Zman5]

Don't compare Gailey to Garrett. Gailey took us to the playoffs every season he was here as the HC.

 

[CATCH17]

Epic thread. I think most fans have finally come to accept that Jones is poison, and that the best we have to look forward to for the forseeable future is what sort of idiocy he will put out there and try to sell next.

Campo guess/comparison for next coach is spot on. No way Jones is going back to "walking on eggshells", or getting kicked out of the lockeroom. Someone could start a thread by looking around the league for the 10 mostly likely lovable losers now. If he hadn't burned his bridge with Rob Ryan, he might've fit the bill.

I always knew he was the problem but thought if he hired the right coach that we could probably work around it.

That may still be true but he won't hire a coach that he isn't comfortable telling what to do.

 

[Stash]

Garrett may be looked back on as being just as bad if not worse when you compare the rosters each coach had to work with.

This is really a sad truth.

Campo was head coach for the end of the '90's run, when those players left were in steep decline and the salary cap was a mess.

By comparison, Garrett inherited a well-stocked roster with multiple Pro Bowlers still in their prime.

And although Garrett's season records are better, it would be tough to say who has done less given what they inherited.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If he hadn't burned his bridge with Rob Ryan, he might've fit the bill.

LOL, what an idea that is. At least he'd be incredibly entertaining. If you have to lose, maybe it's better to lose fun than lose boring and stale.

I do think the next coach won't be as much of a puppet type. Jerry won't change from his long time project Garrett unless he feels incredibly pressured to do so. And if he feels that much pressure, he may actually hire someone with some credibility.

 

[TNCowboy]

The opposite scenario, where Jerry hires somebody the masses like, and that person comes in and pulls the team together under these circumstances with this cap and this ailing roster and turns things around is such a remote possibility in my mind that it might as well not exist as an option. Unless, as you suggest, a no-brainer coach were available. And those guys aren't available right now.

If you're saying that potential coach doesn't exist, that's nonsense. If you're saying that Jones isn't willing to hire such a person, you're spot on.

 

[Stash]

Yea, that awful situation with a core of Parcells players after having just won the first playoff game in 16 years. Poor, poor Red. Never had a chance.

No kidding, right?

Suddenly 'the cupboard's bare' as yet another excuse for Garrett?

Yet another reason I will be happy to see him go.

Never have I seen such a rabid bunch of fans make more excuses for a coach's failings.

 

[Stash]

*Sigh*. 1-7. That roster. That situation. That core of players. Four years removed from Bill Parcels.

That roster had a lot of talent. It had a lot of holes. If that can't be considered in the context of this conversation, then it's really not a conversation worth having.

By all means, please don't.

It is, in fact, not a conversation worth having.

No 'case' to try to make.

 

[Idgit]

That team was picked to go to the SB before the season started. That
team out and out quit. there was talent there but not much character.

Not sure what 'was picked' means, but it obviously wasn't a Superbowl caliber team. It was a 1-7 caliber team. We can't simultaneously be angry at the 500 record and ignoring the less-than-500 record we started with.

If you're saying that potential coach doesn't exist, that's nonsense. If you're saying that Jones isn't willing to hire such a person, you're spot on.

I'm saying both that my assessment is there's not a lot of guys who fit that bill, and that none of them are currently available. It's an open question whether or not Jerry would hire such a guy if he were.

By all means, please don't.

It is, in fact, not a conversation worth having.

No 'case' to try to make.

This is a quip, masquerading as an argument, stash. There's a discussion to be had here, if you want one. Just let me know.

 

[Stash]

Not sure what 'was picked' means, but it obviously wasn't a Superbowl caliber team. It was a 1-7 caliber team. We can't simultaneously be angry at the 500 record and ignoring the less-than-500 record we started with.



I'm saying both that my assessment is there's not a lot of guys who fit that bill, and that none of them are currently available. It's an open question whether or not Jerry would hire such a guy if he were.



This is a quip, masquerading as an argument, stash. There's a discussion to be had here, if you want one. Just let me know.

There's no case to be made.

None.

I can't be bothered to waste time hearing someone spout revisionist history regarding rosters in an attempted excuse for Jason Garrett's failings.

Garrett inherited a talented roster, Campo did not.

And I can't believe we've stooped so low as to have a conversation about which coach sucked less, Garrett or Campo?

Times are tough around here...

 

[Stash]

That team was picked to go to the SB before the season started. That team out and out quit. there was talent there but not much character.

That I can agree with, those players did quit on Wade. But to say that the roster was bereft of talent is simply inaccurate and another attempted excuse for Garrett's failings.

Some just can't let go of that wonderful picture in their head of a Princeton grad, former Cowboy quarterback from the glory days, coming back to become this team's next Tom Landry.

It would have made for a great story.

It's not happening guys.

Not now.

Not ever.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

That I can agree with, those players did quit on Wade. But to say that the roster was bereft of talent is simply inaccurate and another attempted excuse for Garrett's failings.

Some just can't let go of that wonderful picture in their head of a Princeton grad, former Cowboy quarterback from the glory days, coming back to become this team's next Tom Landry.

It would have made for a great story.

It's not happening guys.

Not now.

Not ever.

Its not like there isnt any quit on the current Garrettboys. We have Hatcher more concerned about bad film than trying to win and people like Bruce Carter ole'ing and trying not to make contact for a half of football.

 

[Stash]

Its not like there isnt any quit on the current Garrettboys. We have Hatcher more concerned about bad film than trying to win and people like Bruce Carter ole'ing and trying not to make contact for a half of football.

It seems like we're getting eerily close to something along those lines, doesn't it?

I was getting vibes of that Green Bay collapse while watching that debacle against the Saints on Sunday Night.

I think it will take a substantial effort to prevent a season ending collapse at this point, much less winning any playoff game.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I've seen multiple threads about canning JG and bringing in a new coach. Given the person hiring the next coach, most of the names being floated around have no chance unless Jerry decides his health would not permit him to finish out his "coaching circle" hiring pattern:

Jerry coaching circle version 1.0:

• Jimmy (taskmaster with his hands on everything, helped stock the roster with talent)
• Barry (extreme players coach, playoff success with the other coaches core)
• Chan (cerebral coach that never elevated his team above an average bunch)
• Campo (lovable defensive coach that failed horrifically as a Head Coach)

Jerry coaching circle 2.0 is on the same path:

• Parcells (taskmaster with his hands on everything, helped stock the roster with talent)
• Wade (extreme players coach, only playoff victory since Barry with the other coaches core)
• Garrett (cerebral coach that never elevated his team above an average bunch)
• ???????? (lovable defensive coach that will fail horrifically as a Head Coach)

That's right folks, Rod Marinelli could very well be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Mr. 0-16 has made an injury ravaged group of street free agents play hard, so Jerry will give him strong consideration to work his coaching Magic on your Dallas Cowboys. Rich Bisiaccia will be given consideration just like Joe DeCamillis was, but Jerry will ultimately feel that Rod is the best choice.

The only other candidate that I could see Jerry going for is Mike Zimmer, who was on the defensive staff here for many years.

Enjoy the coaching speculation, but be ready for an underwhelming hire people!

Either way. We need change. What were doing now isn't working and hasn't worked. Time for someone else to get a chance to coach America's team.

 

[jobberone]

The arrow is pointed up? Oh dear.

Uhh, no the arrow is pointed sideways.

And its comical that Jason gets a pass for the defensive bungling but it was always Waddle's fault for the offense bungling. Buck stops with the head coach, right? Or just the one's you dont like?

If your cognition is buried in emotional reasoning so be it. I never blamed Wade much at all for the offense as I, with a reasonable degree of certainty, knew Garrett was the O guy. That's why I persistently blame this offenses struggles since the end of 2007 on Garrett and his players. After being hired as HC and knowing he's looking after all the team then its all on him. But to blame someone much hold them responsible for decimated defenses as bad as these then you're just looking for the most visible scapegoat or you're looking for a response. He's responsible for the team. He's not to blame for this defense. No one should be. If you operate that way then you'd be constantly pointing fingers in the wrong direction all the time and you'd be a very unsuccessful GM.

 

[TheSport78]

Yeah, I'm really going to miss 8-8 and the consistent mediocrity.

 

[Jerryrage]

Time to purge the entire coaching staff and let someone come in with his crew and run the show. Then tell Jerry Jones to get outta the way.

 

[jobberone]

That team was picked to go to the SB before the season started. That team out and out quit. there was talent there but not much character.

Yes, but in retrospect that team was not very talented at all except at a few positions.

 

[Stash]

If your cognition is buried in emotional reasoning so be it. I never blamed Wade much at all for the offense as I, with a reasonable degree of certainty, knew Garrett was the O guy. That's why I persistently blame this offenses struggles since the end of 2007 on Garrett and his players. After being hired as HC and knowing he's looking after all the team then its all on him. But to blame someone much hold them responsible for decimated defenses as bad as these then you're just looking for the most visible scapegoat or you're looking for a response. He's responsible for the team. He's not to blame for this defense. No one should be. If you operate that way then you'd be constantly pointing fingers in the wrong direction all the time and you'd be a very unsuccessful GM.

While I can agree with you that the two head coaches - Wade and Garrett - essentially stick to their side of the football, it is also true that the head coach is ultimately responsible for the performance of the team.

Jerry gave Garrett his scapegoat in Rob Ryan last year and then let him go out and get Kiffin who he has repeatedly gushed about.

And now, there is no where else for either Jerry or Garret to run.

They've built it the way they wanted it, got 'their guys' and it's become a debacle.

That's debacle both offensively and defensively.

The offense has been terrible despite having very few injuries compared to the defense. In fact, the draft resources were put into the offense and it's worse than ever.

And as for the defense? Yeah, they've been decimated by injuries, but it doesn't take them completely off the hook.

No matter who they've had out there, at no time this season has that defense even looked acceptable by NFL standards, much less good.