Be Careful What You Wish For

[the kid 05]

He was late for meetings and missed several team functions.

Twice the thug Owens is.

damn it im a thug cuz i was late for a meeting and missed the company bbq...

 

[Apollo Creed]

damn it im a thug cuz i was late for a meeting and missed the company bbq...

No, but if you go to your local bar and you're dancing and shoot yourself in the leg. Not only are you a thug, but you're an idiot too. Plaxico is both.

 

[jday]

Yeah what about when the Giants were struggling to win a playoff game with Eli Manning in 05' and 06', what did they do? Oh yeah, they got rid of arguably their best two players at the time in Tiki Barber (retirement and was doing all of this in-season) and Jeremy Shockey (loud mouth and team divider) because they were DISTRACTIONS. What happened in 07'? We know the rest of the story. Stats aren't everything. You don't need dominating players at every position to win a ring and you DEFINITELY don't need a #1 WR to win a ring (I would argue that Santonio Holmes is the best #2 WR in the league). Like an earlier thread this week, can T.O. be our Tiki/Shockey?

And actually, Shockey was still a member of the team during the Super Bowl...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

UGGH.

How many of these threads are you handful of guys going to make.

If you cant grasp the concept of a team and how a team operates fine, go watch more football but your not convincing anyone with this notion that he is the only reason we have a chance on offense.

As always, you are under no obligation to read these threads that so afflict you.

I understand that you are into loftier things that we, the great unwashed cannot hope to comprehend. Yet, as long as the kind providers of this great message board will allow, we shall continue to post and read whatever is presented to us.
The gracious thing would be to NOT READ these objectionable posts, but nooooo. Some have to let us know continuously how dumb we are and how dumb our posts are. It would be so nice if you would be gracious. Or just not show up with your high and mighty observations.

 

[the kid 05]

No, but if you go to your local bar and you're dancing and shoot yourself in the leg. Not only are you a thug, but you're an idiot too. Plaxico is both.

ok so let me see if im following your guide to being a "thug"

1- be late for meetings *check*
2- miss team functions *check*
3-go to bar *check*
4- shoot my self in leg *n/a dont have my gun card*

damn im 3/4s thug

 

[Apollo Creed]

As always, you are under no obligation to read these threads that so afflict you.

I understand that you are into loftier things that we, the great unwashed cannot hope to comprehend. Yet, as long as the kind providers of this great message board will allow, we shall continue to post and read whatever is presented to us.
The gracious thing would be to NOT READ these objectionable posts, but nooooo. Some have to let us know continuously how dumb we are and how dumb our posts are. It would be so nice if you would be gracious. Or just not show up with your high and mighty observations.

He constantly complains about these threads, but 95% of his posts are in these threads full of us uneducated idiots that couldn't possibly understand the nuances of football.

 

[theebs]

He constantly complains about these threads, but 95% of his posts are in these threads full of us uneducated idiots that couldn't possibly understand the nuances of football.

95% of my posts?

really.

Ok. Thanks for informing me of that.

I will just sit back and learn from now on then.

 

[theebs]

As always, you are under no obligation to read these threads that so afflict you.

I understand that you are into loftier things that we, the great unwashed cannot hope to comprehend. Yet, as long as the kind providers of this great message board will allow, we shall continue to post and read whatever is presented to us.
The gracious thing would be to NOT READ these objectionable posts, but nooooo. Some have to let us know continuously how dumb we are and how dumb our posts are. It would be so nice if you would be gracious. Or just not show up with your high and mighty observations.

Hey look its the unfunny comedian telling people what to do while trying to complain about the same thing...

How unusual. Im shocked.

 

[skinsscalper]

Yeah what about when the Giants were struggling to win a playoff game with Eli Manning in 05' and 06', what did they do? Oh yeah, they got rid of arguably their best two players at the time in Tiki Barber (retirement and was doing all of this in-season) and Jeremy Shockey (loud mouth and team divider) because they were DISTRACTIONS. What happened in 07'? We know the rest of the story. Stats aren't everything. You don't need dominating players at every position to win a ring and you DEFINITELY don't need a #1 WR to win a ring (I would argue that Santonio Holmes is the best #2 WR in the league). Like an earlier thread this week, can T.O. be our Tiki/Shockey?

Don't kid yourself about Santonio Holmes. Once Ward suffered the injury Holmes WAS the #1 WR, and Ward played a bit role. The Steelers could have won that game without Hines Ward. They wouldn't have even sniffed a victory without Santonio Holmes. THAT is the impact a #1 WR can have on a game.

I'm of the minority that I would like to see Owens stay. I think the whole distraction angle is blown way out of proportion. The distractions are caused by the media overblowing things. If T.O. would have pulled what Steve Smith pulled this year, or Anquin Boldin it would have been reported as if he killed every puppy on the planet with his bare hands.

At this point I'm worn out even thinking about it. If he goes, he goes. If he stays, he stays. But, the people that think we are going to be a better team just by subracting T.O. are delusional, at best.

 

[jday]

14,122 yards 139 TDs

354 yards 4 TDs

4,082 30 TDs

2,226 18 TDs

389 yards 1 TD

Total: 7,051 yards 53 TDs

Because you just might get it.

Have these receivers played for as many years as T.O has combined?

 

[jday]

Please Burress didn't become a pain until this season. Plax was not a constant pain before this season where it would become a distraction to the team. Barber,Shockey were.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Plax entered the season unhappy that he wasn't getting paid like T.O. Then he got yet another foot injury, and sat out the majority of the preseason.

 

[DallasEast]

So, let's review the implied football analogy...

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Yep, that's straight out of Football 101.





















:bang2:

 

[Apollo Creed]

Have these receivers played for as many years as T.O has combined?

Even more reasons to keep him. He's a veteran thats been in the playoffs, and has been apart of some good clubs. He's made every team he's gone to that much more explosive. Our 2007 offense looked like something we haven't seen in 15 years.

Don't drink the kool aid, the decline in production this year had more to do with Romo's injury, our o-lines poor performance, Kosiers injury, Felix's injury, and Roy William's futility - than Owens' talent declining.

 

[jday]

Even more reasons to keep him. He's a veteran thats been in the playoffs, and has been apart of some good clubs. He's made every team he's gone to that much more explosive. Our 2007 offense looked like something we haven't seen in 15 years.

Don't drink the kool aid, the decline in production this year had more to do with Romo's injury, our o-lines poor performance, Kosiers injury, Felix's injury, and Roy William's futility - than Owens' talent declining.

I didn't say I was for or against the dismissal of T.O. I just think your premise is a little weak, in terms of comparing output over the years. For instance, as members of a team who has T.O. on it, you had better not be getting more touches or before you know it there will be conspiracy against him between you and the QB. And Roy Williams played for the Lions who haven't had a decent QB since, um, let me think, uh, I can't really name one in the history of their franchise worthy of mentioning.

That having been said, I'm not for replacing T.O. for one reason. Say what you want about him, Defensive Coordinators routinely gameplan against him. Just ask the Giants what it's like not to have the defense assigning two players to one receiver. They were the Super Bowl favorites up until Plax shot himself. Even they admitted his loss cost them more than what they originally realized it would. Which is why, barring a prison sentence, he is still a member of the team, regardless of Coughlin's tough stance against problem players.