Be Careful What You Wish For

[Apollo Creed]

What's funny is that some Owens haters will tell you he did it all for himself. It was a selfish act and hurt his team.

Doesn't matter that he did it against the advice of team doctors, risked career threatening injury and oh by the way, was the best player on the field for either team that day!

Exactly.

Risked his career, to win a Super Bowl. Thats the goal right?

 

[Apollo Creed]

None of us knew anything about the cowboys or irvin's problems until after we won those superbowls. He just came across as a flamboyant and firey guy.

After 96 and his problems came out, he was a major distraction.

I always contest, irvin did as much to this organization as he did for it.

Had I known irvin did that stuff before the superbowls I would have been very dissapointed in him. I hate having to root for criminals and people who think they are more important than everyone else.

Then it sounds like you need to find a new team to cheer for.

 

[SDogo]

I beleive it's you who's been sucked by the media.

Have you heard what Parcells has had to say about Owens on more than one occasion after his Cowboy tenure? May change you mindframe.

Contrary to your belief that all anti Ownes fans are brain washed by the media and are simply sheep following the heard many of us are actually intelligent people and fans who have the ability to form an opinion on our own. Even more amazing is that some of us have a pretty found knowledge of the game of football and do not need the media to show us that the distractions and negative vibe that follows Owens around is counter productive in regards to a successful team. Although it does offer a simple explanation for simple minds, the media does not influence what I think about Owens.

 

[Real1st]

No, just commenting on your proof.

How many eagles/skins fans you talking to in EL PASO?

I am not in El Paso right now.

I am in Tennessee at the moment.

I have friends who are Eagles and Commanders fans.

 

[theebs]

Then it sounds like you need to find a new team to cheer for.

yes Your right. I should definitely take that advice from a guy who cant even get the teams history from 3 years ago right.

Sure.

I will be thinking of you while I am in the stadium.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Apollo Creed]

yes Your right. I should definitely take that advice from a guy who cant even get the teams history from 3 years ago right.

Sure.

I will be thinking of you while I am in the stadium.

Thanks for the advice.

12,000 + estorgen laden complaint filled posts. And when you're in that new stadium watching Miles Austin and Roy WillIEverBeGood struggle to move the football, remember that uneducated 'highlight reel watcher' Apollo Creed.

 

[Arch Stanton]

We were 9-7, but it was the greatest 9-7 we had ever seen.

Those 9-7 teams would maul the 1992 team.

Why? Because those mid-90 teams didn't have Owens.

I swear that if Romo dropped back to pass, and threw the ball to Owens each and every offensive snap, this team would EASILY finish 22-0. The three extra wins would be awarded to us by virtue of our (read: Owens) absolute awesomeness!

These are cold hard facts that you blind Owens haters just don't want to admit.

You're alive today because Owens is keeping you alive. He's THAT good.

AWESOME, where can I buy the DVD?

 

[sonnyboy]

Contrary to your belief that all anti Ownes fans are brain washed by the media and are simply sheep following the heard many of us are actually intelligent people and fans who have the ability to form an opinion on our own. Even more amazing is that some of us have a pretty found knowledge of the game of football and do not need the media to show us that the distractions and negative vibe that follows Owens around is counter productive in regards to a successful team. Although it does offer a simple explanation for simple minds, the media does not influence what I think about Owens.

But it does influence many others and that's one of the issues I have.

I don't really like Owens. In fact I believe he does have a mental health issue.

But he's one hell of a player.

I'm not interested in fairness or justice. I'm willing to find reasons to keep him as opposed to finding reasons to dump him because I believe he makes us better.

Is that fair? No it's not fair, but it is neccessary. Johnson once said he had 53 different sets of rules. Emmitt could fall asleep in a meeting and not get cut. Curvin Richards couldn't.

Back to the media. **** the media! I do not want them making personel decisions for the Cowboys or even having one bit of influence on those decisions.

I just get the feeling their constant grinding on the Owens issue is having an effect on the opinions of our fans.

 

[superpunk]

How do the other 31 NFL teams manage to move the ball without Terrell Owens?

Venzini doesn't know.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I live in Virginia Beach.

I'm surrounded by Commanders fans.

They all want us to keep Terrell Owens.

I've even joked with several that, if Dallas releases Owens, he's most likely going to end up a Commander.

Mind you, they are a team starved for a big receiver. They shudder at the idea.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

None of us knew anything about the cowboys or irvin's problems until after we won those superbowls. He just came across as a flamboyant and firey guy.

After 96 and his problems came out, he was a major distraction.

I always contest, irvin did as much to this organization as he did for it.

Had I known irvin did that stuff before the superbowls I would have been very dissapointed in him. I hate having to root for criminals and people who think they are more important than everyone else.

I disagree. There was a media circus around here for anything Sanders was saying or doing, the fighting between Switzer and Troy, and that BS. Now, yes, there wasn't a ton of talk about Irvin all the time but that's not really the point.

My point is, and you said it right there, had you known about that stuff, as they were on their way to winning Superbowls, you'd have been disappointed in him cause you hate having to root for criminals.

But you'd have rooted for him, all the same, cause they were winning. You wouldn't be championing a "get rid of Irvin and his distractions" group.

Same thing for TO. It's about winning. If this team had won a Superbowl in his 3 years here, thus far, there wouldn't be this huge movement to get rid of him. There would still be a few people here and there, for sure, but there wouldn't be thread after thread after thread about how the team is a bad team mate, a cancer, and should be cut. It would be glossed over because winning was going on.

I don't buy any of that. You act like winning and being a good teammate is all a crap shoot -- that you roll dice and if the right numbers come up, you win and every player is golden. That's not how it works.

Now I don't like criminals and honestly I don't like Irvin. But Irvin was undoubtedly a great teammate. He held people accountable and ALWAYS had his QB's back. He also never tried to convince teammates that the QB and OC were holding them back.

That's the difference between him and Owens.

That is not what I said. However you can be the greatest player in the world (And I'm not saying Owens is by the way) and if your team struggles, or doesn't win, and you're a distraction then you're going to be hated and people are going to be calling for your head and that goes for rather you're just a distraction cause you complain and throw people under the bus or you're a distraction cause you're out getting high, screwing hookers, getting implicated in rape cases, or stabbing team mates.

If you're not winning, people are calling for you head.

But, if you're a winner, and you're a big part of helping your team be winners, then you can snort all the coke off of a hookers backside that you want to and people are going to be 'disappointed' in you but they're not going to be screaming for you to be cut.

Now if you're, say, Curvin Richards and you're doing that stuff, then yeah you're going to be cut and thrown off the team and every fan is going to be screaming for it happen, before it even happens.

But if you're Michael Irvin, and you're one of the big time playmakers, and reasons, that this team is winning, you won't hear for people calling for you to be fired.

You don't have to believe that stuff it's simply the way things go in sports. A lot of things will be looked over, and forgotten, as long as you're a major part of a franchise winning. If you're a great player on a team that isn't winning like it's supposed to you're going to be hated.


And you're absolutely correct Irvin never threw his QB or his OC under the bus he just stabbed people for not letting him get his hair cut first.

He always held them accountable for what they weren't putting into being the best and working hard...unless of course their name was Deion Sanders.

He wasn't always ranting and raving in the media about how they don't get him the ball enough, or weren't using him right, he only snorted coke off of hookers and broke the law away from the field.

Clearly that is SO much better and makes him such a better person and team mate.


Winning, bro. Winning is what it's all about and winning immediately makes people, and their distractions, a lot less glaring than if they aren't winning.

 

[SDogo]

But it does influence many others and that's one of the issues I have.

I don't really like Owens. In fact I believe he does have a mental health issue.

But he's one hell of a player.

I'm not interested in fairness or justice. I'm willing to find reasons to keep him as opposed to finding reasons to dump him because I believe he makes us better.

Is that fair? No it's not fair, but it is neccessary. Johnson once said he had 53 different sets of rules. Emmitt could fall asleep in a meeting and not get cut. Curvin Richards couldn't.

Back to the media. **** the media! I do not want them making personel decisions for the Cowboys or even having one bit of influence on those decisions.

I just get the feeling their constant grinding on the Owens issue is having an effect on the opinions of our fans.

That's fair, I'm only 32 soon to be 33 but I'm from the old school. I don't have patience for players like Owens. I have seen teams with far lesser talent get it done and it's been repeated through out history on almost a yearly basis. Sometimes I feel it's addition by subtraction. I will never doubt Owens skills or his place in the NFL among the greatest WR's but to deny the negative impact he also brings with him is silly. Many of the Owens supporters were the same one's laughing at SF and Philadelphia when they were dealing with the same issues saying to themselves, thank god that's not us. Now that it is we turn the blind eye to the issue and act as if were immune to it unlike his prior teams and that's not the case.

 

[theebs]

12,000 + estorgen laden complaint filled posts. And when you're in that new stadium watching Miles Austin and Roy WillIEverBeGood struggle to move the football, remember that uneducated 'highlight reel watcher' Apollo Creed.

Yes, arent you the same guy that asked me a few weeks ago what I do around here?

What do you do? Besides whine about one players feelings?

You dont even know the history of the team from a few years ago. You constantly give references to stuff you have no idea what you are talking about.

They are always wrong.

Study up. learn the game. watch more football.

then come back with your estrogen laden comments.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

post Jerry Rice's stats now

might as well

 

[theebs]

I disagree. There was a media circus around here for anything Sanders was saying or doing, the fighting between Switzer and Troy, and that BS. Now, yes, there wasn't a ton of talk about Irvin all the time but that's not really the point.

My point is, and you said it right there, had you known about that stuff, as they were on their way to winning Superbowls, you'd have been disappointed in him cause you hate having to root for criminals.

But you'd have rooted for him, all the same, cause they were winning. You wouldn't be championing a "get rid of Irvin and his distractions" group.

Same thing for TO. It's about winning. If this team had won a Superbowl in his 3 years here, thus far, there wouldn't be this huge movement to get rid of him. There would still be a few people here and there, for sure, but there wouldn't be thread after thread after thread about how the team is a bad team mate, a cancer, and should be cut. It would be glossed over because winning was going on.

braveheart. I would have cut him slack for one reason and one reason only. IF we had known irvin was a problem off the field and needed help, I would have been all for helping him because.....We drafted him. He was our guy. He grew up here in the organization, I will always cut are own guys a break and give them opportunities to straighten themselves out.

I always have felt that if you draft someone and bring him up in the league and he has some issues, as an organization you are obligated to give him an opportunity to change and straighten himself out. So that is how I would have felt about him.

 

[Real1st]

12,000 + estorgen laden complaint filled posts. And when you're in that new stadium watching Miles Austin and Roy WillIEverBeGood struggle to move the football, remember that uneducated 'highlight reel watcher' Apollo Creed.

Do you even take into account that Roy was injured and had no chemistry with Romo?

Austin has the potential but he has to stay healthy and work more on his route running and perfect the WR craft.. He has improved on his route running this season but still needs more work.

Do you even watch this team?

You are too busy riding T.O.'s jock.

 

[thechosen1n2]

UGGH.

How many of these threads are you handful of guys going to make.

If you cant grasp the concept of a team and how a team operates fine, go watch more football but your not convincing anyone with this notion that he is the only reason we have a chance on offense.

as many as you on the opposite side have made. If you cant grasp that TO is far from our biggest problem then maybe you should watch some more football because yall arent convincing anyone the he is the reason we are losing.

Works both ways buddy, so dont act like TO bashers are smarter and more football informed than TO supporters.

 

[theebs]

as many as you on the opposite side have made. If you cant grasp that TO is far from our biggest problem then maybe you should watch some more football because yall arent convincing anyone the he is the reason we are losing.

Works both ways buddy, so dont act like TO bashers are smarter and more football informed than TO supporters.

they have proven to be on this board and everyone other one I have ever read.

And I have never started a thread on the man, as far as I can remember.

and you need to keep reading buddy.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yeah what about when the Giants were struggling to win a playoff game with Eli Manning in 05' and 06', what did they do? Oh yeah, they got rid of arguably their best two players at the time in Tiki Barber (retirement and was doing all of this in-season) and Jeremy Shockey (loud mouth and team divider) because they were DISTRACTIONS. What happened in 07'? We know the rest of the story. Stats aren't everything. You don't need dominating players at every position to win a ring and you DEFINITELY don't need a #1 WR to win a ring (I would argue that Santonio Holmes is the best #2 WR in the league). Like an earlier thread this week, can T.O. be our Tiki/Shockey?

Coincidence they happened to peak and win a SB without them.
Tiki retired, they did not get rid of him because he was a distraction. And was he really a problem besides running his mouth too much. Same for Shockey.

I don't recall hearing Shockey's name called out much in N.O. for being a problem. Maybe he was, I don't know. But being NY and the media market. Maybe there is a correlation.

 

[thechosen1n2]

they have proven to be on this board and everyone other one I have ever read.

And I have never started a thread on the man, as far as I can remember.

and you need to keep reading buddy.

You may not have ever started a thread on him, but you have commented, and the comments (such as the last one) came across as if the your opinion and those who share it are better than others.

Well guess what a way of seeing is also a way of not seeing. Its just seems to me that TO bashers want blood because of last seasons disappointment. TO is the easiest target but far from the biggest problem, But the thirst for blood will not let them see that. Jerry is not going anywhere, Wade isnt going anywhere, Flozell is not playing up to par, our back ups on offensive line are terrible. Tony is a turnover machine but we know he isnt going anywhere. That leaves who so that the thirst can be quinched. Now seriously can you tell me that TO is a bigger problem than anything I just mentioned.