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Rack said:
T.O. - Hospital - ambulance- Vicodin-911-Depression-Suicide-media craziness-fan craziness-parcells walking out of pc-deion and irvin-owens speaks-publicist speaks-espn craziness-
and finally Confusion and no clear answers and maybe not even the right questions.
oh and TO said he is playing sunday.
My head hurts.
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all you missed was the biggest suicide sham ever in the NFL.
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T.O. is dead. Either that or he's starting this Sunday... I don't remember which.Rack said:
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Owens had a bad reaction to his pain medication and supplements last night. His publicist became concerned and called 9-1-1. He was taken to the hospital and released this morning. The police mistook it for a suicide attempt, possibly because of answers Owens gave while semi-incoherent. But there was no suicide attempt, or Owens would have been kept at the hospital for observation for 72 hours. The police observations (not a formal report) were leaked to the media, which ran with it and created a giant circus. Owens was all smiles at his news conference, denied attempting suicide, played catch with Bledsoe and Romo today, expects to practice Thursday and hopes to play Sunday. The media are still going crazy over it. The end.
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AdamJT13 said:
Nice recap... thanks for posting.
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AdamJT13 said:
Wow. Not a skeptical bone in your body. Are you working for TO these days, Adam? Because your synopsis is virtually indistinguishable from his version of today's events.
"Nothing to see here folks. Move along."
Rack, the truth is that we don't know what went down at TO's residence and may never know because the crucial witnesses are not objective bystanders. I'll believe the police before I believe that ****** publicist. Suicide attempt? Accident? Cry for help? We're all agnostics, and the case is very much open.
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bbgun said:
I believed the police too when they said Michael Irvin and Erik Williams raped a girl at gunpoint.
Wait a second. That didn't happen.
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I think the latest article below from the DMN does a pretty solid job of summarizing the events of today.
Owens denies suicide attempt
08:59 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 27, 2006
By TODD ARCHER / The Dallas Morning News
IRVING – About 16 hours after a 911 call was made from his Deep Ellum condominium for what Dallas Police later believed was a suicide attempt, Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens said with a smile that he hopes to play Sunday at Tennessee.
During a dizzying day that grew stranger as it grew older, Owens denied that he had attempted to take his life Tuesday night. That contradicted statements attributed to him in a police report. Owens was taking hydrocodone, a prescription painkiller, because of his surgically repaired right hand. He said he had a reaction when he mixed the pain medicine with an increased dosage of his natural supplements.
"There was no suicide attempt," Owens said Wednesday. "I went home yesterday after I left the facility. I took a couple of pain pills and then I had some treatment. I had a physician over treating my hand, and I think after that I was kind of groggy a little bit and kind of took some extra pills with my supplements."
How Owens went from the Baylor University Medical Center emergency room Tuesday night to catching passes from Drew Bledsoe on Wednesday afternoon is a tale woven between the police report and denials from Owens and his publicist, Kim Etheredge.
After seeing Owens in a non-responsive state Tuesday, Etheredge called 911 after noticing an empty bottle of pain pills and assuming that Owens had taken them. When questioned by police, Owens said that he had taken only five pills from his prescription of 40 prior to Tuesday. Owens said Wednesday that Etheredge had been unaware that he had put the remaining pills in a drawer.
"This is a very strong human being and when I ask him a question, he's not responding," Etheredge said. "I know he's not feeling well, you know, I use my judgment to call 911."
Dallas Fire Rescue declined to release the tape of the 911 call, deferring to police, who requested it not be made public Wednesday. Dallas police commanders, however, approved the tape's release late Wednesday, but it was unclear when the fire department would send out copies. A source who heard the minute-long call said Etheredge did not mention suicide explicitly and talked in a calm voice to the 911 operator.
"I don't think I'd be here if I had taken 35 pills," said Owens, who added that his stomach was not pumped at the hospital.
According to the police report, Owens and Etheredge both said he was depressed and Owens answered, "yes," when asked if he had intended to harm himself. On Wednesday, Owens and Etheredge denied saying he was depressed.
Lt. Rick Watson, the department's spokesman, said, "if Mr. Owens and his publicist believe that our officers falsified that report, I would encourage them to come to Internal Affairs and file a complaint so we can investigate this."
Buddy Primm, Owens' personal trainer, said he didn't believe Owens had attempted suicide but pointed to two recent events that had affected Owens. Primm said the receiver was upset about not being able to visit his son Monday, on his seventh birthday, and about his engagement recently being called off.
"No, I'm not depressed by any means," Owens said. "I'm very happy to be here. My thing is I've come here to help this team get on a roll, get on track of getting into the playoffs and winning some ballgames."
Dallas police chief David Kunkle stood by the report made by responding officers Bradley Ellis and Joshua Merkel.
"Officers report what people tell them," Kunkle said. "They do whatever preliminary investigation they are able to do, which is sometimes not much. They document what they hear and file it in a report. I don't know how this was any different than that.
"Typically, patrol officers don't have a lot of time to wait around to see if the story changes. They're answering calls."
Dallas police were angered because the original police report was made public. Members of the department's command staff sent out BlackBerry pages to at least one reporter asking where the document originated.
Normally, the department seeks to limit information on attempted suicides by redacting the name of the person and the narrative explaining what happened.
At a mid-day press conference, Lt. Watson repeatedly said police were limited in what information they could release, citing medical privacy laws. Later, copies of a heavily redacted version of the police report were distributed. The version omitted comments Owens made to the responding officers.
There was debate late Tuesday and early Wednesday among police officers about how to handle the situation and what to put on the report, sources said. Some advocated waiting until all of the hydrocodone pills could be accounted for before labeling the incident an attempted suicide.
Others, fearing accusations of preferential treatment, believed that the call and subsequent report should be handled like any other apparent attempted suicide.
Baylor spokeswoman Jana Pope said she could not talk about Owens or the hospital's protocol for handling attempted suicides. Pope said Baylor is able to conduct in-house psychological exams but would not say whether Owens met with a psychologist.
"Each case is different and what happens to the patient when they get here is up to the physician handling their care and the individual patient's needs," Pope said.
Owens' Tuesday began at Woodrow Wilson High School, where he spoke in front of about 400 students about the dangers of domestic abuse, according to football coach Bobby Estes, who said he didn't notice anything unusual about Owens or what was said.
"I thought he was articulate and he did a fine job," Estes said. "I was impressed with him as an individual. Not knowing him, he seemed like his typical self and like a well-spoken, intelligent athlete who was trying to do a good thing for his community."
Owens did not practice Tuesday, but he did conditioning work and caught some passes for the first time since breaking his hand Sept. 17 against Washington. In the locker room, Owens was playful – hiding behind a trash barrel to avoid the media and placing a photographer's ladder in front of Kevin Burnett's locker.
Coach Bill Parcells said Owens' demeanor Tuesday was, "fine," as did a number of his teammates.
That changed when Dallas Fire Rescue was called at 7:51 p.m. Baylor University Medical Center is only a short distance from Owens' two-story condo, which had its shades drawn Wednesday.
By late morning, a number of media was stationed outside, drawing several bystanders. Several cars slowly passed the scene and one woman yelled, "Leave T.O. alone! Why don't you go to Iraq and find out what's going on in the war?"
Shortly after 11 a.m., Owens returned home in a black Cadillac Escalade and he was followed minutes later by his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Phone calls were not returned by Rosenhaus on Wednesday.
Former Cowboy Deion Sanders, who is a confidante of Owens, visited Owens before noon and was asked if Owens attempted suicide.
"I don't believe so," said Sanders, who said he attempted suicide by driving his car off a cliff while playing for the Cincinnati Reds. "You will get the truth from the man himself."
When Owens left for the Cowboys' Valley Ranch facility, two fans – Dale McGuyer, 30, and Clayton Byrd, 31 – held a handmade sign that said, "T.O. Didn't O-D."
"We wanted to come here and support him," said Byrd, who owns a credit repair company. "They are trying to put him down and it's not right."
By the time Owens arrived at the facility, the parking lot was filled with television satellite trucks, and the scouting lounge, where Parcells holds his news conferences was filled with nearly 23 cameras and roughly 100 media members.
Owens and Etheredge handled a series of questions before Owens went to postpractice meetings with his teammates.
"I feel very capable of going out there and playing on Sunday," Owens said. "That's my main goal. I'm here to try to help this team win."
Staff Writers Jason Trahan, Brandon George, Calvin Watkins, Jean-Jacques Taylor and David Moore contributed to this report.
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Owens denies suicide attempt
08:59 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 27, 2006
By TODD ARCHER / The Dallas Morning News
IRVING – About 16 hours after a 911 call was made from his Deep Ellum condominium for what Dallas Police later believed was a suicide attempt, Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens said with a smile that he hopes to play Sunday at Tennessee.
During a dizzying day that grew stranger as it grew older, Owens denied that he had attempted to take his life Tuesday night. That contradicted statements attributed to him in a police report. Owens was taking hydrocodone, a prescription painkiller, because of his surgically repaired right hand. He said he had a reaction when he mixed the pain medicine with an increased dosage of his natural supplements.
"There was no suicide attempt," Owens said Wednesday. "I went home yesterday after I left the facility. I took a couple of pain pills and then I had some treatment. I had a physician over treating my hand, and I think after that I was kind of groggy a little bit and kind of took some extra pills with my supplements."
How Owens went from the Baylor University Medical Center emergency room Tuesday night to catching passes from Drew Bledsoe on Wednesday afternoon is a tale woven between the police report and denials from Owens and his publicist, Kim Etheredge.
After seeing Owens in a non-responsive state Tuesday, Etheredge called 911 after noticing an empty bottle of pain pills and assuming that Owens had taken them. When questioned by police, Owens said that he had taken only five pills from his prescription of 40 prior to Tuesday. Owens said Wednesday that Etheredge had been unaware that he had put the remaining pills in a drawer.
"This is a very strong human being and when I ask him a question, he's not responding," Etheredge said. "I know he's not feeling well, you know, I use my judgment to call 911."
Dallas Fire Rescue declined to release the tape of the 911 call, deferring to police, who requested it not be made public Wednesday. Dallas police commanders, however, approved the tape's release late Wednesday, but it was unclear when the fire department would send out copies. A source who heard the minute-long call said Etheredge did not mention suicide explicitly and talked in a calm voice to the 911 operator.
"I don't think I'd be here if I had taken 35 pills," said Owens, who added that his stomach was not pumped at the hospital.
According to the police report, Owens and Etheredge both said he was depressed and Owens answered, "yes," when asked if he had intended to harm himself. On Wednesday, Owens and Etheredge denied saying he was depressed.
Lt. Rick Watson, the department's spokesman, said, "if Mr. Owens and his publicist believe that our officers falsified that report, I would encourage them to come to Internal Affairs and file a complaint so we can investigate this."
Buddy Primm, Owens' personal trainer, said he didn't believe Owens had attempted suicide but pointed to two recent events that had affected Owens. Primm said the receiver was upset about not being able to visit his son Monday, on his seventh birthday, and about his engagement recently being called off.
"No, I'm not depressed by any means," Owens said. "I'm very happy to be here. My thing is I've come here to help this team get on a roll, get on track of getting into the playoffs and winning some ballgames."
Dallas police chief David Kunkle stood by the report made by responding officers Bradley Ellis and Joshua Merkel.
"Officers report what people tell them," Kunkle said. "They do whatever preliminary investigation they are able to do, which is sometimes not much. They document what they hear and file it in a report. I don't know how this was any different than that.
"Typically, patrol officers don't have a lot of time to wait around to see if the story changes. They're answering calls."
Dallas police were angered because the original police report was made public. Members of the department's command staff sent out BlackBerry pages to at least one reporter asking where the document originated.
Normally, the department seeks to limit information on attempted suicides by redacting the name of the person and the narrative explaining what happened.
At a mid-day press conference, Lt. Watson repeatedly said police were limited in what information they could release, citing medical privacy laws. Later, copies of a heavily redacted version of the police report were distributed. The version omitted comments Owens made to the responding officers.
There was debate late Tuesday and early Wednesday among police officers about how to handle the situation and what to put on the report, sources said. Some advocated waiting until all of the hydrocodone pills could be accounted for before labeling the incident an attempted suicide.
Others, fearing accusations of preferential treatment, believed that the call and subsequent report should be handled like any other apparent attempted suicide.
Baylor spokeswoman Jana Pope said she could not talk about Owens or the hospital's protocol for handling attempted suicides. Pope said Baylor is able to conduct in-house psychological exams but would not say whether Owens met with a psychologist.
"Each case is different and what happens to the patient when they get here is up to the physician handling their care and the individual patient's needs," Pope said.
Owens' Tuesday began at Woodrow Wilson High School, where he spoke in front of about 400 students about the dangers of domestic abuse, according to football coach Bobby Estes, who said he didn't notice anything unusual about Owens or what was said.
"I thought he was articulate and he did a fine job," Estes said. "I was impressed with him as an individual. Not knowing him, he seemed like his typical self and like a well-spoken, intelligent athlete who was trying to do a good thing for his community."
Owens did not practice Tuesday, but he did conditioning work and caught some passes for the first time since breaking his hand Sept. 17 against Washington. In the locker room, Owens was playful – hiding behind a trash barrel to avoid the media and placing a photographer's ladder in front of Kevin Burnett's locker.
Coach Bill Parcells said Owens' demeanor Tuesday was, "fine," as did a number of his teammates.
That changed when Dallas Fire Rescue was called at 7:51 p.m. Baylor University Medical Center is only a short distance from Owens' two-story condo, which had its shades drawn Wednesday.
By late morning, a number of media was stationed outside, drawing several bystanders. Several cars slowly passed the scene and one woman yelled, "Leave T.O. alone! Why don't you go to Iraq and find out what's going on in the war?"
Shortly after 11 a.m., Owens returned home in a black Cadillac Escalade and he was followed minutes later by his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Phone calls were not returned by Rosenhaus on Wednesday.
Former Cowboy Deion Sanders, who is a confidante of Owens, visited Owens before noon and was asked if Owens attempted suicide.
"I don't believe so," said Sanders, who said he attempted suicide by driving his car off a cliff while playing for the Cincinnati Reds. "You will get the truth from the man himself."
When Owens left for the Cowboys' Valley Ranch facility, two fans – Dale McGuyer, 30, and Clayton Byrd, 31 – held a handmade sign that said, "T.O. Didn't O-D."
"We wanted to come here and support him," said Byrd, who owns a credit repair company. "They are trying to put him down and it's not right."
By the time Owens arrived at the facility, the parking lot was filled with television satellite trucks, and the scouting lounge, where Parcells holds his news conferences was filled with nearly 23 cameras and roughly 100 media members.
Owens and Etheredge handled a series of questions before Owens went to postpractice meetings with his teammates.
"I feel very capable of going out there and playing on Sunday," Owens said. "That's my main goal. I'm here to try to help this team win."
Staff Writers Jason Trahan, Brandon George, Calvin Watkins, Jean-Jacques Taylor and David Moore contributed to this report.
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bbgun said:
I understand wanting to keep a little skeptacism, but do you really think a guy could be so miserable as to down some pills to kill himself could be out catching passes and giving smiling press conferences 12-15 hours later?
This entire thing hinges on when a cop alledgedly asked a completely drugged up Owens if he tried to hurt himself, and TO who may or may not have a clue what the cop was asking him alledgedly says yes.
From that we get suicide, cries for help and a whole bunch of other nonsense, never mind that report was also inaccurate that he downed 35 pills or he wouldn't have been a) conscious to answer questions he could barely understand, or b) unable to live without a stomach pump, which he did not recieve.
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bbgun said:
The police didnt conspire against anybody, they are just not very smart individuals. it goes with the law enforcement territory.
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bbgun said:
I know the difference between an accusation and the actual act. The way the police acted, the statements that they "leaked", and all the broohaha surrounding the allegations made it seem like they actually did the act. That was the point of my statement.
And who said anything about a conspiracy?
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bb is a TO hater regardless it is obvious this was totally made up
The cops even changed their story
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65147
The cops even changed their story
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65147
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bbgun said:
If there was more to it, why was Owens released from the hospital this morning?
And did he look depressed or upset at all to you?
If the hospital had tried to keep him for evaluation or put him under observation, and he still claimed nothing was wrong, I'd be skeptical. But the hospital released him this morning.
If Owens had been sheltered away from the media, wasn't at Valley Ranch and wasn't playing catch with Bledsoe and Romo, and his publicist spoke for him saying nothing was wrong, I'd be skeptical. But he was right there at Valley Ranch, smiling for the cameras, saying he'd practice Thursday and wants to play Sunday. Even if he had appeared somber or otherwise abnormal, I'd be skeptical. But he seemed even happier than he did during his first press conference in Dallas.
If the police had come out and disputed any of Owens' or Etheredge's claims this afternoon, or if they said there was anything left to investigate, I'd be skeptical. But they haven't even said anything in support of their leaked "release," let alone disputing what Owens and Etheredge have said.
Unless I have a reason to be skeptical, I don't waste my time being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical. And there are too many known facts that refute the rampant speculation that this was anything more than what Owens says it was.