Been on the road all day...

[bbgun]

Yes, they are fallible, but here are four biggies they supposedly got wrong:

1) TO telling them he was depressed
2) TO telling them he tried to harm himself
3) publicist telling them TO was depressed
4) publicist telling them she removed extra pills from his mouth

They got every one of these wrong?? Why would they tell so many serial lies?

 

[jlust22]

I can give you 25 million reasons why you should've been on your comp today.

Owens would probably be better off if he refrained from letting his agent or his publicist speak at these press conferences. He actually came across fine today. Unfortunately, his publicist did a horrible job and said quite a few stupid things, only making matters worse. Just like his loudmouth agent did during that press conf. in front of Owens' house in Philly when Rosenhaus acted like a fool with his "next question" nonsense.

 

[Kevinicus]

Yes, they are fallible, but here are four biggies they supposedly got wrong:

1) TO telling them he was depressed
2) TO telling them he tried to harm himself
3) publicist telling them TO was depressed
4) publicist telling them she removed extra pills from his mouth

They got every one of these wrong?? Why would they tell so many serial lies?

Doesn't seem that far fetched considering how many things were wrong in the report the filled out for me. They might not be lies. They could have just misunderstood what they were saying. It's not that odd you know. Why should his publicist lie? Really, what looks worse for T.O.? Him attempting suicide and thus garnering a lot of sympathy, or what's going on now with non-sensical, sloppy, and irresponsible journalism trying to tear him and the team down?

 

[tomduhain]

All you missed was a day of breathless media over-reaction. The hype exceeded TO himself and when he appeared - rather relaxed and alert - you could almost feel the letdown in the TV studios. Since every statement and word did not fit into a nice, neat picture the commentators were not satisified. Sometimes life is like that, odd and unusual things happen.
Nobody asked about his hand. Did it hurt so much he took extra pills? Is it really wise to try to play Sunday and risk further injury? Why not heal up and be ready for the rest of the season?
It was a wierd day - ranging from a hyper mellow Coach to a hyper TV reporter relaying whispers that TO is seriously mentally ill.
Please, lets just play some football.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yes, they are fallible, but here are four biggies they supposedly got wrong:

1) TO telling them he was depressed

The report never said that. According to the report, Etheredge said Owens told her that he was depressed.

2) TO telling them he tried to harm himself

He also told them he took the rest of his hydrocodone -- 35 pills. From everything I've read, if he HAD taken 35 hydrocodone pills, he wouldn't have been able to respond coherently to any questions then, let alone get out of the hospital the next morning without any apparent adverse effects. If he had taken 35 hydrocodone, he's a medical miracle. If not, then both of his answers would have to be regarded as unfactual.

3) publicist telling them TO was depressed

Like I said, that's the same as No. 1. Remember, at the time, she thought he had taken 35 hydrocodone pills. If he had mentioned anything about being sad that he couldn't celebrate his son's birthday with him, or about his breakup, she might have interpreted that as being "depressed," when the officers asked her about him. The officers might have even been paraphrasing her comments. They might have asked her something like, "Did he seem depressed, or did he have any emotional issues recently?" And she reasonably could have told them that he has said he was feeling down because of the situations with his son and fiancee, and the officer could have simply written "RP stated that comp stated that he was depressed." There's no direct quote there, so we don't know if "depressed" was the officer's word, her word or Owens' word. At any rate, that doesn't mean he was clinically depressed or suicidal.

4) publicist telling them she removed extra pills from his mouth

First of all, the report doesn't say that, either. It says she "attempted to put her fingers in comp's mouth to retrieve the pills." And she didn't deny attempting to do it, she just said she didn't take anything out of his mouth. That doesn't contradict the report. But I don't even see this part as an issue. Whether she did or didn't doesn't affect whether he intentionally took 35 hydrocodone pills or simply had a bad reaction to four or five.

They got every one of these wrong?? Why would they tell so many serial lies?

Nobody said the police were lying. They could have misinterpreted or paraphrased what was said, or they could have been given incorrect information. If you think an initial police report of a 911 call is going to be completely accurate when one of the two people questioned was in a state of decreased consciousness and the other thought he had taken 35 pain pills, you're mistaken.

The bottom line is that there's no evidence that he took 35 pills, and all of the known evidence indicates that he did not.

 

[silverbear]

And you're assuming that they had all relevant information at their disposal. Did they speak to the officers who responded to the distress call or just members of Team TO? Was it a case of celebrity favoritism? Wouldn't be the first time.

Hmmm, which side to take??

Adam is a highly respected member of this forum (and a number of others), who has never demonstrated any "agenda", other than to inform us...

And you're not...

Game over...

 

[Rack]

I can give you 25 million reasons why you should've been on your comp today.

Your sig absolutely RULES!

:laugh2:

 

[Funxva]

Hmmm, which side to take??

Adam is a highly respected member of this forum (and a number of others), who has never demonstrated any "agenda", other than to inform us...

And you're not...

Game over...

:laugh2: bbgun just got owned like it was his job. Well done silverbear! And to think I took bbgun off of ignore because he wasn't trolling as much recently!

Easily rectified.

 

[burmafrd]

One of the most unforgiveable things the media did yesterday was to take all the second, third and fourth hand accounts about TO's so called mental history and act as if it were all proven. Both SF and Philthy have no reason to like TO, and frankly every so called source on that was at BEST second hand. I really doubt that BP would have signed off on TO being here if there were indeed legitimate and reasonable worries shown by others beforehand that TO needed serious mental counseling. Really doubt that JJ would have either.

 

[Rush 2112]

Don't forget the part where they found the rest of the "35 pills" emptied out in a drawer.

Nothing more than a bigger reaction to a different pain medicine than the one he had last week.

 

[31smackdown]

Don't forget the part where they found the rest of the "35 pills" emptied out in a drawer.

Nothing more than a bigger reaction to a different pain medicine than the one he had last week.

TO said that they were in a drawer.. how many were in the drawer was never said.. or if anyone else even confirmed that they were in the drawer.

It would be good info to know though, so we can estimate hom many he took.. was it 2 or 3 or like 7-8? Either way I don't think it was anywhere near 35.

You simply can't take 5 Hydrocodone pills in a 3 hour span and expect to be responsive.. most people would probably be passed out.

If you want to test, find someone who is prescribed Hydrocodone, have them take 2 pills and see how they are an hour and a half later.

 

[Funxva]

TO said that they were in a drawer.. how many were in the drawer was never said.. or if anyone else even confirmed that they were in the drawer.

It would be good info to know though, so we can estimate hom many he took.. was it 2 or 3 or like 7-8? Either way I don't think it was anywhere near 35.

You simply can't take 5 Hydrocodone pills in a 3 hour span and expect to be responsive.. most people would probably be passed out.

If you want to test, find someone who is prescribed Hydrocodone, have them take 2 pills and see how they are an hour and a half later.

I wouldn't recommend doing that to anyone that is not a doctor or in a clinical study. (not a doctor)

 

[TX_Yid]

I mentioned yesterday, those hydrocodone pills are crazy.

I took just one and my head was spinning for hours, I really couldn't bear to stand up, I just had to lie down for probably a good 4-5 hours and felt like puking the whole time.

If he took 2 or 3 after already having taken any earlier in the day, I can easily understand the situation that occured.

I'm not saying that is definitely what happened here, but it is more than plausible as an explanation.

 

[31smackdown]

I wouldn't recommend doing that to anyone that is not a doctor or in a clinical study. (not a doctor)

Yeah.. I agree.. I'm not really trying to advise someone to do this... but I know 2 or 3 people who have done this... whether it be because they thought it would help the pain or because they were looking for some sort of drug induced effect(recreational use).

So I guess what I meant is don't tell someone to do this, but find someone who is stupid enough or careless enough is going to do it anyway or has done it in the past.

I'm not advocating this.. but let's not ignore that it's not exactly uncommon.

 

[joseephuss]

Can someone give me the 411 in a nutshell?


Sorry, but it's too much searching/reading through 700 threads. I don't need details, just a rough explanation.


Thanks.

"Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And them the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it."

 

[Yakuza Rich]

TO said that they were in a drawer.. how many were in the drawer was never said.. or if anyone else even confirmed that they were in the drawer.

It would be good info to know though, so we can estimate hom many he took.. was it 2 or 3 or like 7-8? Either way I don't think it was anywhere near 35.

You simply can't take 5 Hydrocodone pills in a 3 hour span and expect to be responsive.. most people would probably be passed out.

If you want to test, find someone who is prescribed Hydrocodone, have them take 2 pills and see how they are an hour and a half later.

I had friends that were addicted to painkillers, particularly SOMA's which last I knew were banned in the US and were far more powerful than hydrocodone (one of the reasons why SOMA's are banned).

One of my friends, after years and years of SOMA abuse built up an incredible tolerance to painkillers. He probably could take 35 hydrocodone and live, but he'd probably go to sleep for 2-4 days straight. However, I'd say taking that many hydrocodone would probably call for induced vomiting in order for him, a long time abuser with a great tolerance to still live.

Unless Owens is a life long pill abuser, there's no way he even came close to taking 35 hydrocodone. He definitely wouldn't be out of the hospital within 15 hours of being admitted and out running routes and catching passes.

The "Owens attempted suicide" makes for a much better headline than "Owens had a bad reaction to painkillers and supplements." But if you really believe the former then you pretty much have no knowledge or logic when it comes to drugs.


YAKUZA

 

[bbgun]

Nobody said the police were lying.

She did, Adam. She did. Albeit without using the word "lie." But the insinuation was ummistakeable.

They could have misinterpreted or paraphrased what was said, or they could have been given incorrect information.

I see. On the one hand we have trained observers. On the other, we have a ditz publicist whose job it is to spare her client shame and embarrassment. You're siding with the ditz.

If you think an initial police report of a 911 call is going to be completely accurate when one of the two people questioned was in a state of decreased consciousness and the other thought he had taken 35 pain pills, you're mistaken.

The initial reports ARE the most accurate. That goes double for eyewitness testimony. People's memories fade over time.

The bottom line is that there's no evidence that he took 35 pills, and all of the known evidence indicates that he did not.

Irrelevant.

 

[bbgun]

Hmmm, which side to take??

Adam is a highly respected member of this forum (and a number of others), who has never demonstrated any "agenda", other than to inform us...

And you're not...

Game over...

That's okay. At the end of the day, I'll still be more popular than you. Some contest.

 

[joseephuss]

She did, Adam. She did. Albeit without using the word "lie." But the insinuation was ummistakeable.



I see. On the one hand we have trained observers. On the other, we have a ditz publicist whose job it is to spare her client shame and embarrassment. You're siding with the ditz.



The initial reports ARE the most accurate. That goes double for eyewitness testimony. People's memories fade over time.



Irrelevant.

I think in this case, the initial reports were not the most accurate. Seems like the cops did their jobs and did it well based on the initial information they were receiving. That information was not too reliable because it was based on someone(T.O.) who was not completely cognizant of what was going on at the time and a ditz(Kim Etheridge) who was trying to both help and protect her client.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The initial reports ARE the most accurate. That goes double for eyewitness testimony. People's memories fade over time.

My uncle is a police detective in Manhattan. If intial reports were the most accurate, then he'd be the first to ask why he's forced to investigate matters further instead of just taking the initial report on a crime and running with it. Of course this would cut down his overtime pay.

If you really believe it was a suicide attempt, just please answer if you believe that he actually took 35 pills and within 15 hours he was able to run routes and catch passes.

I think that would help explain a lot of your logic.


YAKUZA