Belicheat fined 500,000 and draft choices...*Merge*

[Bob Sacamano]

Do you not understand the difference between the "integrity of the game", and the "integrity of the players who play said game"?

the integrity of the game is influenced by who plays the game, and coaches it, also by who referees it

 

[stealth]

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How can I contact the joke of a commish about this, Its hypocritical in my mind, you suspend people for many games for doing something with ZERO impact on the game, and you hand out a handslap to the pats for doing something I genuinely believe effected the outcome of at least one game.

He did a ton to earn my respect, and I wished the guy well, but screw that anymore, he dropped the ball on this one.

 

[Big Dakota]

The sponsors fired Vick because it was a black eye on them.

The jerseys were pulled because it was a black eye on Vick. Ya think their overall jersey sales have dropped dramatically?

Belichick and the Pats actions are a direct indictment of the ON THE FIELD product that the NFL is putting forth. There is suspicion about the integrity of the league as a whole. Most people think that there have to be other teams who have been trying to cheat.

Do you think that most people believe that there are many other NFL players who are running dog fighting kennels?

And if you think some off the field incident speaks more about the integrity of the game than actually cheating while playing said game, then I feel sorry that you didn't get a better edumacation in the Dakotas.

I think most people are tired of these thugs and their behavior and the message it sends about the men who play in the NFL and how that affects kids. Drugs, guns, killing of animals and in Tank's case, a body gaurd and in Pacs case a crippled man. It really doesn't matter what i think is worse. The NFL has spoken. These players are GONE and Belichick got his punishment, even if some don't like the severity. What these suspended players did and what Belicheat did are bad for the NFL. You seem to be one of the few that believes what Vick and this thug cohorts did, didn't damage the NFL, but then again you pobably get child molesters off all the time and think nothing of it, huh?

 

[superpunk]

the integrity of the game is influenced by who plays the game, and coaches it, also who referees it

Yes. But it is not influenced by what they do off the field. This seems to be evading your comprehensive powers.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don't think this will effect them at all, they are too talented

which makes this whole thing a shame, they didn't need to this

How about the Jets knocking them out playoffs in first round?

 

[peplaw06]

1 player has been caught dog-fighting

1 coach has been caught cheating

1 coach, 1 owner from the same team... and if you believe that the players didn't know anything that was going on, I don't know what to tell you.

btw, you don't think criminal players impacts people's thoughts on the integrity of the game in a big way?

Yeah it affects people's thoughts. I'm trying to get a read on how much you think it is. I don't think it affects the fans thoughts as much as seeing an entire franchise becoming equated with cheating.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yes. But it is not influenced by what they do off the field. This seems to be evading your comprehensive powers.

think of it like this, if they are willing and able to break civil and criminal laws, what's stopping them from breaking lesser stipulations, such as NFL football rules?

oops

 

[Dallas]

I don't think this will effect them at all, they are too talented

which makes this whole thing a shame, they didn't need to this

That is the most telling piece of all this nonsense Bob.

Why on earth would you cheat if you really had the most talented team in the NFL? Why go through the headache of doing all of this video taping? Is it just the pure thrill to CHEAT? Is this like a clepto syndrome? Is it the rush? Sure would give me an empty feeling if I had to cheat to win something I might not be ready for.

This really sucks. The NFL did not need this crap.

I am kind of glad tho. It could not have happened to a better guy/guys. BB and Kraft were made for each other.

Bilicheck is just creepy strange. Great coach but wow - he tops the oddball chart of humanity as far as I am concerned.

Now this. Oi !!

 

[peplaw06]

I think most people are tired of these thugs and their behavior and the message it sends about the men who play in the NFL and how that affects kids. Drugs, guns, killing of animals and in Tank's case, a body gaurd and in Pacs case a crippled man. It really doesn't matter what i think is worse. The NFL has spoken. These players are GONE and Belichick got his punishment, even if some don't like the severity. What these suspended players did and what Belicheat did are bad for the NFL.

Good answer. "It doesn't matter what I think." Tells me all I need to know.

You seem to be one of the few that believes what Vick and this thug cohorts did, didn't damage the NFL, but then again you pobably get child molesters off all the time and think nothing of it, huh?

^^^^

And this kids, is a completely ridiculous statement.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1 coach, 1 owner from the same team... and if you believe that the players didn't know anything that was going on, I don't know what to tell you.

it's obvious that the players knew what was going on, or there would be no need to steal signals

what I'm getting at is, if 1 coach and owner from 1 team is caught cheating, how come it opens up the rest of the league to the same thing, but Vick caught dog-fighting is somehow an isolated event? which is basically what you're saying, it's a contradiction basically

Yeah it affects people's thoughts. I'm trying to get a read on how much you think it is. I don't think it affects the fans thoughts as much as seeing an entire franchise becoming equated with cheating.

but again, it's just 1 franchise, that we know of

 

[superpunk]

think of it like this, if they are willing and able to break civil and criminal laws, what's stopping them from breaking lesser laws, such as NFL football rules?

Um....referees?

You're getting off track in an attempt to make some indefensible point. People violating the product ON THE FIELD is a bigger black eye to the integrity of the game than people violating the law OFF THE FIELD. (The phrases in caps are incredibly important. Pay special attention to the words "ON" and "off".)

 

[cleverusername]

I'm still waiting for an ex-player to come out and spill the beans about how serious this was. Everyone on the team had to know about it, now who is going to be the pissed off scrub that got cut and wants his name all over the media?

Jose Canseco has a press conference scheduled for tomorrow!

 

[Big Dakota]

Yes. But it is not influenced by what they do off the field. This seems to be evading your comprehensive powers.

It's just a fundamental difference of opinion and that's not gonna change. You probably think OJ doing Riods and getting caught hurts the NFL more than him murdering two people. As long as it happened off the field it has no direct affect on the NFL. I don't agree with that premiss and never will. Neither do the 32 NFL owners who have a conduct detrimental rule and that seems to be evading your comprehensive powers.

 

[Dallas]

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How can I contact the joke of a commish about this, Its hypocritical in my mind, you suspend people for many games for doing something with ZERO impact on the game, and you hand out a handslap to the pats for doing something I genuinely believe effected the outcome of at least one game.

He did a ton to earn my respect, and I wished the guy well, but screw that anymore, he dropped the ball on this one.

Read Clayton's article up on ESPN now regarding this punishment. It really does state that it is to light of a punishment. Not for normal teams. Just for the Pats because of all the picks they have. They are masters of the trade. Losing that 1st round pick will be just a small ripple in the pool for them.

Check it out when you get a chance.

 

[peplaw06]

think of it like this, if they are willing and able to break civil and criminal laws, what's stopping them from breaking lesser laws, such as NFL football rules?

The NFL takes a back seat to no laws!!! How dare you suggest otherwise?!?!?!

OK, back on topic... Let's just assume that once a lawbreaker that you are going to break every law you possibly can for the rest of your life. Perfectly logical IMO.

You have a DWI on your record right, what's to stop you from stealing from work?

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I don't see the big deal. Losing a 1st round pick is huge. I don't care what team you are. Look at how bad the Cowboys were for years having lost two of them in the Joey Galloway trade. There was more to us stinking than that, but it was a HUGE part of it.

Plus 500k is the maximum fine he can get and I don't care who you are, 500k is a lot of cash. It sure as hell isn't "pocket change".

So what if he isn't suspended? I think a friggin first round pick is pretty damn harsh as is.

 

[Teague31]

if jerry had done this, goddell would have banished him to the third moon of jupiter and made us ineligible for post season play for 10 years.

 

[Big Dakota]

Good answer. "It doesn't matter what I think." Tells me all I need to know.

^^^^

And this kids, is a completely ridiculous statement.

And you defending law breakers as havng no direct affect on the NFL is, well, what i would expect form a typical lawer and that's why you all have the glorious reputation you now enjoy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The NFL takes a back seat to no laws!!! How dare you suggest otherwise?!?!?!

OK, back on topic... Let's just assume that once a lawbreaker that you are going to break every law you possibly can for the rest of your life. Perfectly logical IMO.

You have a DWI on your record right, what's to stop you from stealing from work?

so let me get this straight

people are thinking, "oh, this guy broke the law, but it was only off the field, there's no way he would do anything against the NFL rules"?

most people don't trust criminals w/ anything, that's just a fact of life, and no, no DUI on my record

 

[cleverusername]

if jerry had done this, goddell would have banished him to the third moon of jupiter and made us ineligible for post season play for 10 years.

Close, but I would have to say more like seventh.