Belichick has agreed to become North Carolina's next HC - It's official!

[gtb1943]

I’m not saying Belichick wasn’t a great coach but as an HC he struggled without Brady. His coaching record without Brady doesn’t lie.

so Tom Landry was only a great coach when he had Staubach is what you are saying.

 

[gtb1943]

I guess GIbbs has to be considered the GOAT since he won three SBs each with a different above average QB

 

[DZSierra]

Giving BB credit due for being a successful NFL coach (without the argument if it was the QB or coach), the bigger question is who is the most successful NFL coach who went to college and became successful in the college game?

When I see a lot of coaches who go from the NFL to college, either they make it "long term" or they go back to the NFL.

Don't think Matt Rhule is too bad of a coach, his issue is he went to the NFL with the Panthers, and got out of there and isn't doing to bad of a job at Nebraska.

Here is the thing though... BB has NEVER coached college football. Can he do it? sure. Thing is, anyway you cut it, he'll be 73 when the season starts.

I work 60-70 hours a week and I love what I do at age 60. Got up at 4:30AM, busy work scheduel, home by 3, then I had to take a 2 hour nap LMAO. My dad worked full time till he was 65 and still worked 20 hours a week doing side gigs he loved up to age 75. Thing is, when you hit lower 70's, things change a lot (heck, change a lot from 40's to 50's LOL).

BB may prove me wrong, and more power to him if he does, I just don't see having never coached college players and coming in at age 72 being a big plus for him. I think I mentioned I believe the reason why he wasn't hired back in the NFL for a top coaching position was due to his age in the business.

BB saw an opportunity at Carolina to be back "in the game" and get paid handsomely for doing it, and he took it. Carolina made a big news splash and they're making a statement they want to get serious about football. Exactly how many years do you give a 72 year old to turn the program around and exactly what are your expectations? UNC has been know to make some boneheaded decisions per their football program.

 

[gtb1943]

Giving BB credit due for being a successful NFL coach (without the argument if it was the QB or coach), the bigger question is who is the most successful NFL coach who went to college and became successful in the college game?

When I see a lot of coaches who go from the NFL to college, either they make it "long term" or they go back to the NFL.

Don't think Matt Rhule is too bad of a coach, his issue is he went to the NFL with the Panthers, and got out of there and isn't doing to bad of a job at Nebraska.

Here is the thing though... BB has NEVER coached college football. Can he do it? sure. Thing is, anyway you cut it, he'll be 73 when the season starts.

I work 60-70 hours a week and I love what I do at age 60. Got up at 4:30AM, busy work scheduel, home by 3, then I had to take a 2 hour nap LMAO. My dad worked full time till he was 65 and still worked 20 hours a week doing side gigs he loved up to age 75. Thing is, when you hit lower 70's, things change a lot (heck, change a lot from 40's to 50's LOL).

BB may prove me wrong, and more power to him if he does, I just don't see having never coached college players and coming in at age 72 being a big plus for him. I think I mentioned I believe the reason why he wasn't hired back in the NFL for a top coaching position was due to his age in the business.

BB saw an opportunity at Carolina to be back "in the game" and get paid handsomely for doing it, and he took it. Carolina made a big news splash and they're making a statement they want to get serious about football. Exactly how many years do you give a 72 year old to turn the program around and exactly what are your expectations? UNC has been know to make some boneheaded decisions per their football program.

A big time college coach is more a CEO than a worker
saban was that way and he did pretty fair

 

[DZSierra]

A big time college coach is more a CEO than a worker
saban was that way and he did pretty fair

Nick Saban was 292-71 his entire college career. His NFL record is 15-17

For the most part it seems successful college football coaches who dabbled in the NFL go back to college. NFL coaches for the most part who dabble in college go back to the NFL.

Only 5 coaches in history have 50 wins in both the NFL and college

Jim Harbaugh
Pete Carroll
Jimmy Johnson
Bobby Ross
John Robinson

Carroll, Johnson and Barry Switzer are the only head coaches to win both a national title along with a Super Bowl, and one could argue that Switzer got to the super bowl due to the team and environment that Johnson created ironically enough with the Cowboys when Switzer got to Dallas.

I don't mean to sound anti old age, but the reality is if Bill B would have gone to a top 20 college team, I could see him being somewhat successful from the NFL to the college rank, but at age 72 and going to UNC isn't it IMO. Last time the Tar heels finished in the top 10 was at #10 in 1996 and then #6 in 1997. Guess who the head coach was? Mack Brown who UNC just fired and replaced BB with.

The reality is and this is only a guess, that most in the NFL and college felt that it may be time for BB to stay in the booth. UNC had nothing to lose and as noted, they made one heck of a possible expensive news story (as noted, BB has an interesting clause in his contract letting him out).

 

[atlantacowboy]

I like the hire bc of the changing college landscape. I think Bill and his program will do well in this era of college free agency.

 

[gtb1943]

I like the hire bc of the changing college landscape. I think Bill and his program will do well in this era of college free agency.

NIL and the Portal have made college football almost the same as the NFL.

Actually, for the schools that want to, they can spend as much as they want and no cap. So in one way a coach has it better there.

And no limit on padded practices and a roster that is much bigger

 

[atlantacowboy]

Last year, there were 11k players in the portal many from big program looking for bigger pay days. Its very much like the NFL now.

 

[DZSierra]

Last year, there were 11k players in the portal many from big program looking for bigger pay days. Its very much like the NFL now.

I'm a dummy, so perhaps you can explain it, but what is the difference between NIL money for college football and a salary cap in the NFL?

 

[gtb1943]

I'm a dummy, so perhaps you can explain it, but what is the difference between NIL money for college football and a salary cap in the NFL?

As far as I have heard and seen, there is no cap on NIL money.

 

[DZSierra]

As far as I have heard and seen, there is no cap on NIL money.

That part is what I understand as well.

The bigger question is where does that money come from in college sports?

This is where I can see a big disparity between different college programs.

UNC per Bill's contract is going from 5 million to 15 or 20 million in NIL funds. Where does UNC get that other 10 to 15 million for those funds, which don't include money for coaches salary? Heck, we now have coaches putting in their own money into NIL funds for their school.

Kind of getting stupid IMO...

 

[atlantacowboy]

I'm a dummy, so perhaps you can explain it, but what is the difference between NIL money for college football and a salary cap in the NFL?

A salary cap is the most a team can spend on players. The current NFL salary cap is 255M per team. NIL money is technically unlimited. There is no cap. A college team can spend as much as it can raise and pay its players whatever it wants. College is the wild west right now. There are going to be a lot of guys making more money in college than they ever will in the NFL.

 

[DZSierra]

There are going to be a lot of guys making more money in college than they ever will in the NFL.

That I can actually see.

Another dumb question...

If a player accepts NIL money to play at a college, is he under contract for a certain time to play for that college, or can he still transfer?

 

[Tabascocat]

That part is what I understand as well.

The bigger question is where does that money come from in college sports?

This is where I can see a big disparity between different college programs.

UNC per Bill's contract is going from 5 million to 15 or 20 million in NIL funds. Where does UNC get that other 10 to 15 million for those funds, which don't include money for coaches salary? Heck, we now have coaches putting in their own money into NIL funds for their school.

Kind of getting stupid IMO...

NIL money comes from pretty much everywhere. Donors, sponsors, boosters, merchandise sales, autograph signings and media related deals. About the only place it doesn’t come from is the University itself. It really is a racket and ruining college football.

 

[DZSierra]

It really is a racket and ruining college football.

I can see that.

The impression I got was that the recent old Wake Forest coach (Dave Clawson) left in part to where the "college game" is going per NIL money. That said, with the tuition that Wake charges and all the kids have REALLY nice cars, surprised they don't throw more money at their football program. Tony Bennett from Virginia's basketball program apparently was in the same spot last year. I believe Nick Saban let his feelings known on NIL money as well.

Perhaps Bill will succeed with the new college landscape of football, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet against him.

 

[atlantacowboy]

That I can actually see.

Another dumb question...

If a player accepts NIL money to play at a college, is he under contract for a certain time to play for that college, or can he still transfer?

It seems to be year to year. In theory, a player could change schools every year auctioning themselves to the highest bidder. Multiyear deals are probably on the horizon but these agreements seem to be very loose at the moment as witnessed by the UNLV QB who quit mid-season b/c he didn't get money promised to him.

 

[gtb1943]

I can see lawsuits in the future. Both by the schools and the players; all about the money