Best defensive NFC playoff team?

[Eskimo]

Honestly, I have no idea. The Giants for whatever reason play much better on the road. I have a feeling they didn't like Giants Stadium anymore. Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning have been apologetic to the fans Sunday after the game and yesterday. They are embarrassed the way they played.

I hope they lose to be honest with you. A loss could mean a draft pick as high as 10. A win could put them in the low 20's.

An 8 win team can pick as high as 10? That's really unusual.

After our six win season in 2004 we only got to pick 11th. it still worked out okay for us since we got the best guy in that whole draft (Ware).

 

[Eskimo]

I still don't think the Packers are anywhere close to Dallas defensively, especially when you consider the pathetic level of competition that the Packers faced this season.

You might be right as I don't watch them a ton out here. I think I was just so impressed with how well they played against us. They are still good but I agree that we are probably better overall.

 

[dmq]

I would be more confident in our defense if we didn't go into prevent once we go up by a margin we think we can barely win or lose by. It just makes me think of defenses of the last few years. Guys like Jenkins are curing me of those memories though.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

and yet we have one of the fewest amount of big plays allowed?

Thought that was the safetys job, or is being super man like Jairus Byrd, Troy P. and Ed Reed their job?

Quaterback ratings against

Ken HAmlin ---------132.9
G. Sensabaugh------114.3
Alan Ball ------------103.1

one total int between the 3

scary.

 

[mbanx]

Are you talking about the same Green Bay team that recently gave up 37 points to the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I am saying this from a fantasy point of view. I thought Roth. would be lights out against Clev. and laid and egg but played lights out against GB. How did the Packers get such a high def. rating? I know playing the Bears and Lions twice helped but the Packers were not bad against the Vikings. I am not afraid of GB in the playoffs. I might change that statement after I see how we play against the Eagles this weekend.

 

[Tom [Giants fan]]

An 8 win team can pick as high as 10? That's really unusual.

After our six win season in 2004 we only got to pick 11th. it still worked out okay for us since we got the best guy in that whole draft (Ware).

It depends a lot on tiebreakers with other teams who would be 8-8. There could be a lot of them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Quaterback ratings against

Ken HAmlin ---------132.9
G. Sensabaugh------114.3
Alan Ball ------------103.1

one total int between the 3

scary.

Uhh what the hell is that lol? QB ratings against? How does one even come up with that? Is this just when our safeties are playing man to man? Seriously how many times are they even in coverage a game? I don't even remember them being in coverage much. Carpenter is mostly on tight ends and full backs. Our safeties aren't a problem IMO. Not nearly as incompetant as you make them seem with those stats. I don't care about INT's. INT's are just stats. If the safety's aren't being tested than what? I'm more concerned with what the corners are doing and Scandrick, Jenkins and Newman have been stellar together this season. Every team doesn't have a Troy Polamalu and thank goodness we don't. We probably would have to rely on him like the Steelers do. As you can see with him they're a top tier defense. Without him they're one of the worst. There's only 2 or 3 game changing safety's in this game and that's Ed Reed, Troy and maybe Adrian Wilson of the Cardinals.

 

[AtlCB]

I am saying this from a fantasy point of view. I thought Roth. would be lights out against Clev. and laid and egg but played lights out against GB. How did the Packers get such a high def. rating? I know playing the Bears and Lions twice helped but the Packers were not bad against the Vikings. I am not afraid of GB in the playoffs. I might change that statement after I see how we play against the Eagles this weekend.

Green Bay gave up 68 points in 2 games against the Packers.

The Packers played:

Chicago (2)
Detroit (2)
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Cleveland

In the other seven games they played, they gave up 30 or more points in five of them.

 

[Eskimo]

Green Bay gave up 68 points in 2 games against the Packers.

The Packers played:

Chicago (2)
Detroit (2)
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Cleveland

In the other seven games they played, they gave up 30 or more points in five of them.

But for some reason they really had our number. Hopefully it is just they really gameplanned well and took advantage of a flaw - a flaw that we have since corrected after looking at the game film.

They really blitzed us alot and we were really bad in blitz pickup that game from what I recall. It also seemed like when Romo had some time he couldn't seem to find anyone open to throw the ball to. Austin didn't catch a pass until the 4th quarter. This was also the game where Garrett came under heavy fire for abandoning the run.

It does seem over the last 4 weeks we have made getting Austin the ball much more of a priority and the offense has been moving the ball better after sputtering in the middle of the season with the GB and Wash games back-to-back.

I definitely think we should be looking at the Steelers game film. We have similar offensive weapons to them and Big Ben put up 500 yards against them.

 

[theogt]

Quaterback ratings against

Ken HAmlin ---------132.9
G. Sensabaugh------114.3
Alan Ball ------------103.1

one total int between the 3

scary.

Hamlin's high QB rating is the product of a small sample size. He's only given up 6 passes.

I'll take a safety that gives up a 132.9 QB rating if he only gives up 1 pass every 2 games, and 1 TD every 12 games.

We do have to upgrade the SS spot, though. Sensabaugh is terrible in coverage.

 

[the truth of it all]

i dont know that we have the best defense in the nfc. We may but if you look at the nfc playoff teams. The strength is all on offense of all those teams. We may be the only exemption. So if that says anything. The eagles just dont seem to have that same presence without Dawkins. Even though he was apparently getting beat often. He looked fine in Denver to me.

Senesabaugh is not bad at safety, Hamlin seems to have regressed and doesnt look as good as Sensebaugh or as fast . Either and OL or Safety is inline for drafting this year definitely . Or via fa. Id like to see hamlin let go . He seems to me to be the weak link on the defense. But in interviews it the other players stick by him saying hes the signal caller he gets everyone aligned right etc so who knows.

 

[Eskimo]

Hamlin's high QB rating is the product of a small sample size. He's only given up 6 passes.

I'll take a safety that gives up a 132.9 QB rating if he only gives up 1 pass every 2 games, and 1 TD every 12 games.

We do have to upgrade the SS spot, though. Sensabaugh is terrible in coverage.

It's too bad he is so bad at it. Early in the season he was just destroying people with tackles.

Why are Ball's numbers so bad. I seem to recall him making some good plays down the field but I also remember him looking lost a couple times playing zone.

 

[Eskimo]

i dont know that we have the best defense in the nfc. We may but if you look at the nfc playoff teams. The strength is all on offense of all those teams. We may be the only exemption. So if that says anything. The eagles just dont seem to have that same presence without Dawkins. Even though he was apparently getting beat often. He looked fine in Denver to me.

Senesabaugh is not bad at safety, Hamlin seems to have regressed and doesnt look as good as Sensebaugh or as fast . Either and OL or Safety is inline for drafting this year definitely . Or via fa. Id like to see hamlin let go . He seems to me to be the weak link on the defense. But in interviews it the other players stick by him saying hes the signal caller he gets everyone aligned right etc so who knows.

Hamlin has been better this year than last year. His tackling still isn't great with some large missed tackles this year. He is overpaid but it may matter less in an uncapped year.

Ball is still learning how to play safety as he was mostly a CB. He's shown some promise with his tackling and ability to play the deep ball without committing penalties.

Safety, ILB and OL depth should be the main areas for this draft. I only wished we got a chance to see a bit more of Jason Williams this year. Is he a future starter at ILB? We need to get much more athletic there for this 3-4 to take off and reach the next level, IMO.

 

[DallasDomination]

I would say Green Bay and Dallas with Philly a distant 3rd.

 

[perrykemp]

They are good but they don't have Demarcus Ware. If they had him and we had Clay Mathews I would probably say they were better.

Check their stats -- Clay Matthews didn't start until week 5 yet he and Demarcus Ware have very similar stats: Ware has 11 sacks, Matthews has 10. Matthews has 51 tackles, Ware has 56. Matthews has more Pass Defenses and Ware has a much larger number of Forced Fumbles.

All in all, Matthews looks like a complete stud, especially considering he is a rookie.

 

[superpunk]

Check their stats -- Clay Matthews didn't start until week 5 yet he and Demarcus Ware have very similar stats: Ware has 11 sacks, Matthews has 10. Matthews has 51 tackles, Ware has 56. Matthews has more Pass Defenses and Ware has a much larger number of Forced Fumbles.

All in all, Matthews looks like a complete stud, especially considering he is a rookie.

You ain't lyin'. That guy has a motor that won't quit. Cushing is a beast, too. Decent year for rookie LBs.

 

[BourbonBalz]

We have the best overall defense in the NFC. Points, guys. It's all about points.

 

[CATCH17]

Check their stats -- Clay Matthews didn't start until week 5 yet he and Demarcus Ware have very similar stats: Ware has 11 sacks, Matthews has 10. Matthews has 51 tackles, Ware has 56. Matthews has more Pass Defenses and Ware has a much larger number of Forced Fumbles.

All in all, Matthews looks like a complete stud, especially considering he is a rookie.

He is definetely and up and comer but Ware is way better and I dont think Matthews will ever touch him at any point in his career.

 

[perrykemp]

Points is a big part of it, however, I'd have to say turnovers is also a big part of it. The Packers for example are third in points allowed, however, they have 27 interceptions vs Dallas's 11 (-16 differential for Dallas) and 10 Fumble Recoveries vs Dallas's 9 (-1 differential for Dallas).

In other words the Packers have forced 17 more turn-overs than Dallas.

Green Bay is also #1 in the NFC in yards allowed (290 vs Dallas's 330).

Points allowed is a critical stat for evaluating defenses, however, it's not the only one that should be considered. The 17 additional turn-overs Green Bay has forces provides a strong argument for them being #1.

We have the best overall defense in the NFC. Points, guys. It's all about points.

 

[perrykemp]

I get your point, however, if you just compare rookie years, Matthews is doing better than Ware did. Ware had 8 sacks in 16 stats -- so far Matthews has 10 sacks in 12 starts.

Of course, anybody can make the stats slant towards the arguement. You won't get any argument from me that Ware is the best pure pass rusher in the NFL -- bar none.

He is definetely and up and comer but Ware is way better and I dont think Matthews will ever touch him at any point in his career.