Best Ever Thread

[zrinkill]

FLAG! Twelve men on the field...

I did that in case the defense was a 3-4

Posted 4 linemen and 4 linebackers

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[jday]

I'm not going to take a stab at this, but I do wonder how some of the players from back in the day (e.g. 70's) would fair in today's game. Is the sport more demanding or less demanding? Are players faster/stronger than they used to be? Would players of old even like playing in today's NFL? It's a valid question, considering all that steps that have been taken to protect the health of the player. Would they be happy about how much more involved the media is in the players personal lives?

 

[DFWJC]

Damnit Hos, I'm supposed to be writing a paper. :bang2:

QB: I think I'm going Elway as well. Clutch, and could run.
HB: Emmitt Smith. Homer? Maybe
FB: Jim Brown. Brown was listed as a FB, not a halfback.
TE: I'd have to go with Gonzo as well. Witten has a chance here though.
WR: Jerry Rice. 'Nuff said.
WR: Randy Moss. Wont go over the middle, but you dont need him to.

I'm going to skip Oline, because I dont know enough about prevous linemen.

DE: Randy White
DT: Warren Sapp
DT: Randy White
DE: Deacon Jones. Coined the term sack for a reason.
OLB: Jack Lambert.
MLB: Ray Lewis. Close 2nd was Dick Butkis, but his team never won.
OLB: Derrick Thomas. Tragedy kept him from being an all-time great.
CB: Dick Lane. Still has NFL record 14 picks that he set AS A ROOKIE
CB: Deion Sanders.
FS: Ed Reed. My age is showing here, but he's a freak, and playing hurt with nerve damage for the rest of his career.
SS: Definately Ronnie Lott.

I had to blink on that one....surely you did not leave off Lawrence Taylor. He may be the best football player to ever live...at any positon. And he DID redefine the position.

 

[JonJon]

My changes in Blue.

QB...Peyton Manning. When it's all said and done, he will be a record holder in every major category.
RB...Walter Payton. This is the hardest one for me. Jim Brown?
FB...Larry Csonka. Would fight you.
TE...Shannon Sharp. three - 1000 yard seasons, 8 Pro Bowl and 2 Super Bowl appearances.
WR...Jerry Rice. The best football player I have ever seen.
WR...Michael Irvin. Three-time Super Bowl Champ, most competitive player I've ever seen.
LT...Anthony Munoz. I believe he is in the top 3 players ever.
LG...John Hannah. His wars with Randy White are the best football I have ever seen.
C...Mike Webster. 9-Time Pro Bowl appearances, team captain of the Steelers for 9 years, helped lead Steelers to Super Bowl.
RG...Larry Allen. The most powerful player ever.
RT...Dan Dierdorf. One of the most underrated guys ever because he was a Cardinal.


Defense

LDE...Reggie White. The Minister of Defense was a terror.
DT...Randy White. Half man. Half monster. All around awesome.
DT...Mean Joe Green. Was the foundation of the Steelers defense and was unstoppable.
RDE...Deacon Jones. The center piece fo the Fearsome Foursome and the guy peopel really did fear.
OLB...Jack Lambert. If you needed a big stop, this guy made it.
MLB...Dick Butkus. He defined nasty and he could destroy an Offense.
OLB...Lawrence Taylor. Only Jerry Rice was a better football player IMO.
CB...Mel Blount. Another player form the steel curtain. Much like sanders, few QBs dared to throw his way.
SS...Ronnie Lott. Oh my gosh what a game changer.
FS...Ken Houston. Bawlhawk that could lay the wood. 49 career Ints....
CB...Deion Sanders. The only true "Shut Down Corner" I have ever seen.

 

[Zaxor]

OK, I usually put together a TEAM that I feel would play well together and fit the style I would use, but I'll go strictly with who I believe was the BEST at their position:

QB: Otto Graham The best QB ever to play the game IMO. Johnny Unitas would be my 2nd choice.
RB: Emmitt Smith Could do it all and was money when you needed him. Tough to pick him over Payton but I've made a lot of comparisons over the years and Emmitt comes out on top.
FB: Jim Brown Not the best blocker but was a beast running the ball. Could have gone with Jim Taylor
WR: Jerry Rice The obvious choice.
WR: Paul Warfield Best deep threat ever IMO. Considered Don Hutson here.
TE: Kellen Winslow A couple I could have picked here but Winslow dominated the game.
OT: Anthony Munoz Easy pick.
OT: Jim Parker Wanted to go with Erik Williams but he didn't play long enough IMO.
OG: Larry Allen Another easy pick.
OG: John Hannah No brainer.
C: Jeff Van Note The guy was outstanding for a LONG time but he played on some lousy Falcons teams. Could have gone with Webster but he played on a good team with other good players, Jeff didn't.
P: Sammy Baugh I can't have a team without Baugh and his punting records STILL stand today.
K: Morten Andersen Could have gone with Gary Anderson and been OK but I liked Morten.

DT: Bob Lilly The best there ever was, bar none!
DT: Merlin Olsen No question about it. Wanted to have Randy White or Ernie Stautner but couldn't pick them over Olsen.
DE: Deacon Jones Defined the sack and was just a beast. Could have gone with Gino Marchetti though.
DE: Reggie White This one was tough because I couldn't stand him but facts are facts and Wedgie was the best.
OLB: Lawrence Taylor Another no brainer.
OLB Bobby Bell Tough choice but amazingly, there aren't that many great OLBs. Lots of MLBs though. Thought about going with Howley here.
MLB: Dick Butkus Bill George, Singletary, or Bednarik would have worked here but Butkus was the best ever.
S: Ronnie Lott Just too dominant to not have him here.
S: Emlen Tunnell People that never saw him missed a great player.
CB: Mike Haynes IMO the best CB ever. Could do it all and was a TRUE shut-down corner. He could cover short or deep and could tackle as well.
CB: Dick "Night Train" Lane Lots of guys I could have gone with here but he had an intimidation factor that the others didn't have plus he was a great cover guy on top of it. He still holds the record for INTs in a season set as a rookie in 1952!

Keep in mind, this is NOT a team I would put together to play, just who I believe were the best ever to play their positions.

this was a great list but I'll make my changes in no particular order...

I am taking Deion over Night Train when the clothes line tackle was outlawed night train's greatest asset was taken...he said so himself... the intimidation factor wasn't there...

OLB I am taking Hollywood over Bell...had Hollywood not self destructed and played in a 3 4 I think people would be compared to him and not LT (also it is the reason LT wore #56)

not that big of a fan of Rice (thought he had way too many flaws in his game/lots of folks disagree but that is okay, I am comfortable in my skin)... would take Hutson over Rice and Moss over Warfield

outside of that great list...people might not realize it but I think OTTO never had a losing season

 

[JPM]

FLAG! Twelve men on the field...

It's OK, Brian Stewart was coaching the D....

 

[Cbz40]

I must throw OL Eric Williams into the mix for best OT. The Big E was the most dominating O Linemen I have ever seen.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

aww, I thought you were stepping down and giving me the Admin position *exits thread*

 

[Chief]

OK, I usually put together a TEAM that I feel would play well together and fit the style I would use, but I'll go strictly with who I believe was the BEST at their position:

QB: Otto Graham The best QB ever to play the game IMO. Johnny Unitas would be my 2nd choice.
RB: Emmitt Smith Could do it all and was money when you needed him. Tough to pick him over Payton but I've made a lot of comparisons over the years and Emmitt comes out on top.
FB: Jim Brown Not the best blocker but was a beast running the ball. Could have gone with Jim Taylor
WR: Jerry Rice The obvious choice.
WR: Paul Warfield Best deep threat ever IMO. Considered Don Hutson here.
TE: Kellen Winslow A couple I could have picked here but Winslow dominated the game.
OT: Anthony Munoz Easy pick.
OT: Jim Parker Wanted to go with Erik Williams but he didn't play long enough IMO.
OG: Larry Allen Another easy pick.
OG: John Hannah No brainer.
C: Jeff Van Note The guy was outstanding for a LONG time but he played on some lousy Falcons teams. Could have gone with Webster but he played on a good team with other good players, Jeff didn't.
P: Sammy Baugh I can't have a team without Baugh and his punting records STILL stand today.
K: Morten Andersen Could have gone with Gary Anderson and been OK but I liked Morten.

DT: Bob Lilly The best there ever was, bar none!
DT: Merlin Olsen No question about it. Wanted to have Randy White or Ernie Stautner but couldn't pick them over Olsen.
DE: Deacon Jones Defined the sack and was just a beast. Could have gone with Gino Marchetti though.
DE: Reggie White This one was tough because I couldn't stand him but facts are facts and Wedgie was the best.
OLB: Lawrence Taylor Another no brainer.
OLB Bobby Bell Tough choice but amazingly, there aren't that many great OLBs. Lots of MLBs though. Thought about going with Howley here.
MLB: Dick Butkus Bill George, Singletary, or Bednarik would have worked here but Butkus was the best ever.
S: Ronnie Lott Just too dominant to not have him here.
S: Emlen Tunnell People that never saw him missed a great player.
CB: Mike Haynes IMO the best CB ever. Could do it all and was a TRUE shut-down corner. He could cover short or deep and could tackle as well.
CB: Dick "Night Train" Lane Lots of guys I could have gone with here but he had an intimidation factor that the others didn't have plus he was a great cover guy on top of it. He still holds the record for INTs in a season set as a rookie in 1952!

Keep in mind, this is NOT a team I would put together to play, just who I believe were the best ever to play their positions.

I was going to make a list, but it would have been almost the same as this one. Great job, Thumper.

The Mike Haynes pick at CB was right on.

I have the same receivers, backs and tight end, and the defense is pretty much the same. I really like Alan Page, though. Not really a place for him.

 

[THUMPER]

this was a great list but I'll make my changes in no particular order...

I am taking Deion over Night Train when the clothes line tackle was outlawed night train's greatest asset was taken...he said so himself... the intimidation factor wasn't there...

That might be but when it WAS legal he was the best!

OLB I am taking Hollywood over Bell...had Hollywood not self destructed and played in a 3 4 I think people would be compared to him and not LT (also it is the reason LT wore #56)

I don't disagree at all, in fact I believe Henderson could have been LT before LT came into the league. He had a unique combination of size and speed that wasn't matched until Taylor came in. My problem with him is that he didn't play long enough to be considered the best ever.

not that big of a fan of Rice (thought he had way too many flaws in his game/lots of folks disagree but that is okay, I am comfortable in my skin)... would take Hutson over Rice and Moss over Warfield

Hutson put up some absolutely incredible numbers for when he was playing. My problem with him is that his best years came during WWII when a lot of players were in the service. They seem a bit inflated to me. I still rank him among the top-5 WRs of all time but I can't give him the top spot.

outside of that great list...people might not realize it but I think OTTO never had a losing season

Not only did he never have a losing season, he took his team to the championship game EVERY YEAR HE PLAYED! (They won 7 out of 10)

He even won a championship in pro basketball (the NBL was the forerunner of the NBA) before he joined the Browns!

In 11 seasons as a professional athlete, Graham's teams made the championship all eleven years, winning eight titles.

Not only that, but after he retired from the NFL he coached the College All-Stars to a win over the NFL champion Detroit Lions! That was back when the NFL champ would play the College All-Star team.

He then went on to coach the Coast Guard Academy football team and they went undefeated in 1963.

His only failure was as the Commanders HC in the late 60s but in a way that was still a win for us! :laugh2:

 

[dadymat]

QB= Montana / Brady i cant decide....


anyone who said Aikman needs to go to the corner....now....I love me some Troy ...but hes not best all time

 

[THUMPER]

I was going to make a list, but it would have been almost the same as this one. Great job, Thumper.

The Mike Haynes pick at CB was right on.

I have the same receivers, backs and tight end, and the defense is pretty much the same. I really like Alan Page, though. Not really a place for him.

Thanks Chief. Great minds and all that...

So who would have been your QB? Lots to choose from there.

I loved Page as a player but with only two spots I couldn't take him over Lilly or Olsen. He is on my Ultimate All-Time Team though. I put together a team of players (60-man roster) that I thought would fit the style of football I like and he is on it. I posted it a a few years ago but have made some changes since then. After this thread peters out I will probably start a new one with that team.

 

[Chief]

Thanks Chief. Great minds and all that...

So who would have been your QB? Lots to choose from there.

I loved Page as a player but with only two spots I couldn't take him over Lilly or Olsen. He is on my Ultimate All-Time Team though. I put together a team of players (60-man roster) that I thought would fit the style of football I like and he is on it. I posted it a a few years ago but have made some changes since then. After this thread peters out I will probably start a new one with that team.

QB is hard for me because I'm a huge Staubach fan and have trouble seeing past that.

I liked the old field general types who called their own plays and were basically a coach on the field. With that in mind, Johnny Unitas would be right up there. Elway had all the tools and carried a franchise for years. Montana had the perfect mentality/demeanor for the job. I don't know enough about Otto Graham to say.

Quick story I heard about Unitas: He got hit in the mouth after one play and was bleeding profusely. As he was sticking some mud where -- a tooth, I presume -- used to be, the referee stuck his head in the huddle and said, "John, are you alright," and Unitas shot back, "Get the hell out of my huddle." :laugh2:

 

[Spectre]

this thread is hardly the "Best Ever".

 

[Temo]

I don't see how any WR is better than Randy Moss.

And I'd take a host of QBs over Elway (to start, Manning, Brady, Steve Young, Montana, Marino, Unitas, and others)

 

[dadymat]

I don't see how any WR is better than Randy Moss.

And I'd take a host of QBs over Elway (to start, Manning, Brady, Steve Young, Montana, Marino, Unitas, and others)

at what Moss does he may be the best ever..hes a beast ..but a little one dimensional ...... Rice had it all...and is THE definition of the perfect WR

 

[jobberone]

this was a great list but I'll make my changes in no particular order...

I am taking Deion over Night Train when the clothes line tackle was outlawed night train's greatest asset was taken...he said so himself... the intimidation factor wasn't there...

I agree and it's one reason I left him off. Having more time to think about it I should have considered Mel Blount. Can't have everyone on it though.

OLB I am taking Hollywood over Bell...had Hollywood not self destructed and played in a 3 4 I think people would be compared to him and not LT (also it is the reason LT wore #56)

I thought about Hollywood but he derailed his career. So did LT but even with the drugs he was still dominant. I'd still take Bell and LT.

not that big of a fan of Rice (thought he had way too many flaws in his game/lots of folks disagree but that is okay, I am comfortable in my skin)... would take Hutson over Rice and Moss over Warfield

I couldn't ignore either Warfield or Rice although Moss was more dominant early on. He just didn't do it long enough. Hutson was great for his time. So was Berry. They wouldn't cut it today.

outside of that great list...people might not realize it but I think OTTO never had a losing season

I'm surprised more people didn't put Otto on their list. What a warrior. Made a great barbarian, too.

 

[Rampage]

at what Moss does he may be the best ever..hes a beast ..but a little one dimensional ...... Rice had it all...and is THE definition of the perfect WR

what do you mean by that? are you referring to the "he doesn't go over the middle" myth? so the wr who statistically will be the 2nd best wr of all time(if not #1) by the time he retires did that by just running go routes?

 

[JonJon]

I don't see how any WR is better than Randy Moss.

I don't see how anyone could choose Moss over Irvin. What has Moss ever won?

 

[dadymat]

what do you mean by that? are you referring to the "he doesn't go over the middle" myth? so the wr who statistically will be the 2nd best wr of all time(if not #1) by the time he retires did that by just running go routes?

wow, glad you took the time to turn my post into what you wanted it to say......

but.... No going over the middle is not a strength of his ..sorry its not a myth.not to say he never does it but he doesnt do it well....not a down feild blocker and does not give 100% on every play and he is not exactly known for his work ethic either ...he does other things great.....circus catches, high jump catches and speed routes .........Jerry had all of the above