Best of the Best - QB

[Spectre]

I couldn't find Vinny Testaverde on the list?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I look at each one of these guys are great QB's who is the best? That is really more of a matter of opinion than hard core facts. As you said there are factors in terms of the rules. As for winning percentage that is a team accomplishment not a QB accomplishment. No matter how good a QB is if you don't have the players around you, you will not win which in turn will affect your winning percentage. I never apply team accomplishments with individual accomplishments

As you wish. I personally believe that the QB is responsible, more so then any other player, for wins and losses. I understand your point of view and would not dispute it's validity if it came down to it but if the point is introduced into the equation, then it's a point of dicussion. Not much you can do about that.

I believe Staubach was the best QB I ever saw play. Many, many, many disagree with that but for me, I just believe that he was the best. Of course, as you say, that is a personal opinion.

 

[tomson75]

And he had the most wins of any QB in the 90's.

We also had a dominant TEAM in the 90's.

Without question....Staubach.

If Roger captained that 90's team rather than troy, we would've won two more titles. No one was more clutch than Roger. IMO.

 

[Concord]

We also had a dominant TEAM in the 90's.

Without question....Staubach.

If Roger captained that 90's team rather than troy, we would've won two more titles. No one was more clutch than Roger. IMO.

:laugh2: I always love when people say things like this as if it's a fact.

Staubach played on some Dominant teams too.

His only problem was he had to play against another Dominant team in the 70's...the Steelers.

There is no right or wrong answer here. I love them both.

 

[joseephuss]

For me it was a hard choice between Meredith and Staubach. I think if Don would have had Tony D he may well have produced as much as Roger.

I was at the '66 Championship game and bam, bam: Hayes fumbled the first to KOs and the Pack was up 14-zip. Dandy brought them back and got ahead (I think) and then Bart Starr showed his stuff. Dandy hung in until the end though and almost pulled it off.

I'd hat to have to live on the difference between the two. Very different personalities in some ways, but very much alike in a lot of others...

Staubach only played with Dorsett for three seasons. Meredith had Don Perkins who was in the top 10 in rushing 8 years straight from 1961-1968. He was top 6 in rushing 5 of those years. In 1996 he finished 8th in the league in rushing, but his teammate Dan Reeves finished 6th in the league. I don't think Perkins was as good as Dorsett, but he played alongside Meredith a lot longer than Tony did with Roger.

These kinds of conversations are difficult. On a national scale, I see way more love for Roger than Troy. Don isn't mentioned in the conversation because he didn't win the big one. Same with Danny White who could not win the next to big one to get into the big one. Just the other day on ESPN's Mike & Mike radio program they were talking about how good Staubach was when he played.

Troy doesn't hold every passing record. Roger still holds the career record for QB rating at 83.4 with Danny White second at 81.7 and Troy coming in third with his 81.6.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Staubach only played with Dorsett for three seasons. Meredith had Don Perkins who was in the top 10 in rushing 8 years straight from 1961-1968. He was top 6 in rushing 5 of those years. In 1996 he finished 8th in the league in rushing, but his teammate Dan Reeves finished 6th in the league. I don't think Perkins was as good as Dorsett, but he played alongside Meredith a lot longer than Tony did with Roger.

These kinds of conversations are difficult. On a national scale, I see way more love for Roger than Troy. Don isn't mentioned in the conversation because he didn't win the big one. Same with Danny White who could not win the next to big one to get into the big one. Just the other day on ESPN's Mike & Mike radio program they were talking about how good Staubach was when he played.

Troy doesn't hold every passing record. Roger still holds the career record for QB rating at 83.4 with Danny White second at 81.7 and Troy coming in third with his 81.6.

Iron Mike said he'd never seen a better one and that he would pick Staubach over anybody if it were him.

 

[cobra]

If you were in the Super Bowl, and your team was losing and acting beat down, who would you want to lead your team out there in the second half? Roger.

I love Aikman and think he is definitely a top qb in the history of the game.

But Roger is the greatest there ever was, and the greatest there ever will be.

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

I'd take Staubach over Aikman in any situation.

 

[Doomsday101]

As you wish. I personally believe that the QB is responsible, more so then any other player, for wins and losses. I understand your point of view and would not dispute it's validity if it came down to it but if the point is introduced into the equation, then it's a point of dicussion. Not much you can do about that.

I believe Staubach was the best QB I ever saw play. Many, many, many disagree with that but for me, I just believe that he was the best. Of course, as you say, that is a personal opinion.

I enjoyed watching Roger as well and think he is one of the all time greats. So is Troy Aikman and in my opinion it was not just the fact he helped the team to 3 SB but his pure abilities at the position. I have also seen Great QB's on bad teams that hurt their winning percentage but none the less the QB's skills showed up. A QB can only do so much, he has no control over special teams or defense and both of those areas of a team contribute to winning and losing.

 

[MS17]

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[DallasCowpoke]

Sure this will likely be a two-man race, but what the heck...

Who will be the first to point out that Quincy isn't an option...

:horse:

Wellll, here's a thread that's never been beaten to DEATH before! Bored today are we TB?

 

[tomson75]

:laugh2: I always love when people say things like this as if it's a fact.

Staubach played on some Dominant teams too.

His only problem was he had to play against another Dominant team in the 70's...the Steelers.

There is no right or wrong answer here. I love them both.

You mean like when someone says that Troy Smth will be a better pro QB than Beady Quinn?

If I was stating it as a fact, I would have prefaced it as such. I would not have then gone on to put IMO at the end of my post either.

Roger's teams were not nearly as dominant for their times period as Troy's were IMO. I simply believe that those 70's teams owed a larger part of their success to Roger than the 90's teams owed to Troy. That is all. You're right though...there is no right or wrong answer. I love them both as well.

 

[joseephuss]

:horse:

Wellll, here's a thread that's never been beaten to DEATH before! Bored today are we TB?

Strangely this debate has not been as long lasting or re-lived as much as the Quincy vs. Chad or Henson vs. Romo debates.

 

[carphalen5150]

I go with Aikman. He was the signal caller for the most dominant dynasty in NFL history. No slight to Staubach though, I love Roger, just think that Aikman was the glue to a team that could of gone haywire had he not been the type of player he was.

 

[cobra]

Incidentally, take this list:

1. Roger
2. Troy
3. Meredith
4. Danny White

And then ask yourself where any Commanders qb falls on that list. Sonny? Joey T? Doug Willaims? Baugh?

I'd say our top 3 are safe, with Danny falling off the list to Baugh. Danny would probably fall to Sonny, too. But our top 3 is safe.

Eagles? Non one would crack our top 4.
Giants? I guess Sims is their best. He would push Danny.

 

[CF74]

I go with Staubach. He dwarfed the other QBs of his era.

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Who actually won more games overall??

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Strangely this debate has not been as long lasting or re-lived as much as the Quincy vs. Chad or Henson vs. Romo debates.

:laugh2:

That's no lie!!!

I can't WAIT for tomorrow's Poll... Tom Landry, Good or No?

 

[joseephuss]

You mean like when someone says that Troy Smth will be a better pro QB than Beady Quinn?

If I was stating it as a fact, I would have prefaced it as such. I would not have then gone on to put IMO at the end of my post either.

Roger's teams were not nearly as dominant for their times period as Troy's were IMO. I simply believe that those 70's teams owed a larger part of their success to Roger than the 90's teams owed to Troy. That is all. You're right though...there is no right or wrong answer. I love them both as well.

You have to consider that Morton got an early 70s team to a Superbowl. It took Roger to win it. Danny got essentially the late 70s team to the NFC Championship game while Roger again won it all with the same team. I don't think the 90s teams could get that close without Troy. It really is a tough debate. Even when I like one over the other I can still see the other viewpoint in this debate.

 

[joseephuss]

Incidentally, take this list:

1. Roger
2. Troy
3. Meredith
4. Danny White

And then ask yourself where any Commanders qb falls on that list. Sonny? Joey T? Doug Willaims? Baugh?

I'd say our top 3 are safe, with Danny falling off the list to Baugh. Danny would probably fall to Sonny, too. But our top 3 is safe.

Eagles? Non one would crack our top 4.
Giants? I guess Sims is their best. He would push Danny.

I would think Kilmer would be on the Skins list before Doug Williams. Doug played 4 seasons and 21 regular season games for Washington. That is a blip in their history even though he was the QB on a SB winning team. He didn't even play that full season. He came on late and got on a roll.

 

[CF74]

For the record I chose Staubach since Babe Laughemburger wasn't on the list, he's better than other..