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THUMPER

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Skinsmaniac;1993054 said:
As Thumper said, Baugh is really the only Commander QB that would fit in on this list. I know nothing about him except what's on his wikipedia page, but he's usually mentioned among the all time greats. I probably wouldn't have voted for him anyway for all the same reasons I wouldn't vote for Graham.

It's too bad that you don't know much about the history of your team. Baugh was one of the top-3 players to ever play the game from an all-around viewpoint. He was one of the best ever as a QB, DB, and Punter.

When comparing players from different eras it is important to keep in mind how they performed vs their competition, not how they might perform in another era. Your points in another post were that Graham played when there were fewer teams compared to Montana, I would counter that by saying Montana played in a watered down league, with the talent diluted and spread out because of the number of teams.

The point is, you can't make comparisons like that because each player has to play against the competition they face, anything else is purely conjecture and fantasy. That said, Graham was the most dominant QB to ever wear a uniform. You can downplay his accomplishments if you want but to those who actually saw him play he was the best ever.

Montana was the epitome of the system QB. It is highly unlikely that he would have thrived in another system which would have required him to make deeper throws (like Aikman, Elway, or Favre). He was fortunate that Bill Walsh was able to utilize him in a system that protected his weaknesses and promoted his strengths. Still, he was outstanding at what he did and deserves to be ranked among the greatest ever, I just don't think he was THE greatest ever.
 

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THUMPER;1993096 said:
It's too bad that you don't know much about the history of your team.

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I would counter that by saying Montana played in a watered down league, with the talent diluted and spread out because of the number of teams.

Why do you suggest I don't know much about the history of the Commanders? I've only been able to watch games since I was born, it's true, but there's nothing wrong with learning about history by using resources rather than having lived through it.

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The watered down league argument doesn't work because the 49ers would have been watered down too, giving Montana less qualified teammates, and making his job more difficult. The simple fact is that it is easier to go to a championship when you are only competing against four teams than when you are competing against 13. Graham went to the championship game 8 times in 10 years, but for comparison's sake, the 49ers won the NFC West 8 times during his first 10 seasons as a fulltime starter (and remember there were 5 teams in the division back then). If beating out four teams for a division championship isn't impressive (and I don't think it is) why would beating out four teams to go to a championship game be impressive?
 

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Skinsmaniac;1993156 said:
Why do you suggest I don't know much about the history of the Commanders? I've only been able to watch games since I was born, it's true, but there's nothing wrong with learning about history by using resources rather than having lived through it.

A real fan would have used telepathy to watch games played before their time. :p:
 

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AdamJT13;1993212 said:
Roger Staubach 55
Joe Montana 49
John Elway 34-
Troy Aikman 34
Otto Graham 29
Peyton Manning 29:confused:
Johnny Unitas 28+
Dan Marino 20
Brett Favre 14
Tom Brady 9:confused:

Apparently too much people are living in the past.
 

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THUMPER;1992985 said:
The only Commanders QB who could possibly be in a greatest top-10 QB discussion is Sammy Baugh.

I came VERY close to adding Slingin' Sammy. I ended up just going from the list provided by the HOF of players considered 'modern era'. Now I know Graham played during some of the same years as Baugh...just going by their list.

Now you have made a great argument as to why Graham should be considered the all time best...that much I will concede. But I don't buy into the 'Montana was great because he was a system qb.'

Several HOF QBs could be considered as such...but I go for the 'Joe Cool' persona Montana presented...and I will still consider him the best I've ever seen, followed closely by Elway.
 

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jackrussell;1993510 said:
Note page one where it says you may vote once per day.

Not gonna tell you how to play your game. It will water it down to a popularity contest but that's ok. It's still fun.
 

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jackrussell;1993523 said:
I came VERY close to adding Slingin' Sammy. I ended up just going from the list provided by the HOF of players considered 'modern era'. Now I know Graham played during some of the same years as Baugh...just going by their list.

Now you have made a great argument as to why Graham should be considered the all time best...that much I will concede. But I don't buy into the 'Montana was great because he was a system qb.'

Several HOF QBs could be considered as such...but I go for the 'Joe Cool' persona Montana presented...and I will still consider him the best I've ever seen, followed closely by Elway.

Actually, if you look at my list of top-5 all-time...

1. Graham
2. Unitas
3. Staubach
4. Baugh
5. Montana

...you will see that they almost trail one after another:

Baugh 1937-1952, Graham 1946-1955, Unitas 1956-1973, Staubach 1969-1979, Montana 1979-1994.

Each was the dominant QB of their era which is what I consider as defining greatness. If I were to continue that string I might add Aikman 1989-2000 & Manning 1998-2007 or Brady 2000-2007.

That's just how I look at it.
 

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Can anyone guess who will be the last two QB's standing in this forum?:D
 

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jobberone;1993833 said:
Not gonna tell you how to play your game. It will water it down to a popularity contest but that's ok. It's still fun.

Ummmm....that's what all types of polls come down to.

We're not trying to split the atom here. Just a game to pass the time.
 

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