Best QB Game

[jackrussell]

Forgive me Lord for what I'm about to do.

Roger Staubach 78
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 55+
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 35
Troy Aikman 23-

 

[Wolfpack]

Roger Staubach 78
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 56+
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 34 -
Troy Aikman 23

 

[THUMPER]

Roger Staubach 78
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 57+
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 35 -
Troy Aikman 23

I just can't bring myself to ding Troy.

 

[Chuck 54]

Roger Staubach 77 -
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 57
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 36 +
Troy Aikman 23

I find the love for Staubach almost laughable...I loved his moxie, but he had some great receivers over the years and a coach who was willing to wing it, yet he seldom lead the league in any passing stats and didn't make as many all-star teams as some of his fellow QB's of the same time period. I love what Roger did for the Cowboys, but I don't think he belongs on this list.

 

[DallasEast]

Roger Staubach 78+
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 57
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 36
Troy Aikman 22-

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

Roger Staubach 79+
Joe Montana 69-
Otto Graham 57
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 36
Troy Aikman 22

 

[boba5555]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 69
Otto Graham 57
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 35-
Troy Aikman 23+

 

[Rackat]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 69
Otto Graham 57
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 34-
Troy Aikman 24+

 

[THUMPER]

I find the love for Staubach almost laughable...I loved his moxie, but he had some great receivers over the years and a coach who was willing to wing it, yet he seldom lead the league in any passing stats and didn't make as many all-star teams as some of his fellow QB's of the same time period. I love what Roger did for the Cowboys, but I don't think he belongs on this list.

I find your lack of knowledge about our greatest QB pitiful rather than laughable.

Staubach only started 8 seasons yet made the pro-bowl 6 times and was named All-Pro 5 times. He led the league in passing 4 times and retired 2nd to only Otto Graham in career passer rating. He led his team to 4 SBs and won 2 of them.

You cannot compare his career stats with those of QBs who started 12 or 14 seasons. Look at what he accomplished in only 8 years and you will see why he belongs among the top-5 all-time. You bring up his "great receivers" yet not one of them them is in the HoF.

Personally, I rank him 3rd behind Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas but that's just my opinion.

 

[Hostile]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 69
Otto Graham 56-
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 35+
Troy Aikman 24

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 70+
Otto Graham 55-
Johnny Unitas 38
John Elway 35
Troy Aikman 24

 

[Cowboy Bill Watts]

I find the love for Staubach almost laughable...I loved his moxie, but he had some great receivers over the years and a coach who was willing to wing it, yet he seldom lead the league in any passing stats and didn't make as many all-star teams as some of his fellow QB's of the same time period. I love what Roger did for the Cowboys, but I don't think he belongs on this list.

wonder who the great receivers were? if great = HOF, there were none. some good receivers, yes. great, no. wonder who the coach was who was willing to wing it? landry took calculated risks from time to time, but ran a balanced offense using the run to establish the pass. staubach's greatest consistent complaint regarding his career was always the short leash landry kept him on.

that staubach accomplished what he did (see thumper's post) in only 8 starting seasons puts him at the head of the class (in my opinion).

 

[THUMPER]

wonder who the great receivers were? if great = HOF, there were none. some good receivers, yes. great, no. wonder who the coach was who was willing to wing it? landry took calculated risks from time to time, but ran a balanced offense using the run to establish the pass. staubach's greatest consistent complaint regarding his career was always the short leash landry kept him on.

that staubach accomplished what he did (see thumper's post) in only 8 starting seasons puts him at the head of the class (in my opinion).

I think people are too impressed with total yardage and don't pay attention to what time period it was done in and what was accomplished with it.

If a guy throws for 60,000 yards and 400+ TDs that automatically makes him great? No that just means that he played a long time in a system that allowed/required him to throw the ball a lot.

Staubach played in an era when teams didn't throw a lot and in a system that focused on running first, particularly early in his career. His teams won more than 75% of the time and were consistent contenders. Only a very small handful of QBs can make that claim.

The claim that he had a bunch of great receivers is ridiculous. The years that he led the league in passing he had guys at the end of their careers (1971 = Alworth, Hayes, Ditka) or guys just getting started (1973 = Pearson, DuPree, & Stowe). Only in his last two seasons (78 & 79) did he have a solid receiving corps of Pearson, Hill, & DuPree in their primes. Those were also the only times he threw for more than 3000 yards as the game was changing to more of a passing game.

Roger was head and shoulders above his contemporaries (Bradshaw, Stabler, Anderson, etc.) in almost every category and was easily the winningest QB of his time.

 

[Big Country]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 70
Otto Graham 55
Johnny Unitas 39+
John Elway 35
Troy Aikman 23-

 

[Hostile]

wonder who the great receivers were? if great = HOF, there were none. some good receivers, yes. great, no. wonder who the coach was who was willing to wing it? landry took calculated risks from time to time, but ran a balanced offense using the run to establish the pass. staubach's greatest consistent complaint regarding his career was always the short leash landry kept him on.

that staubach accomplished what he did (see thumper's post) in only 8 starting seasons puts him at the head of the class (in my opinion).

I am not contradicting you, just sharing.

Staubach threw to Lance Allworth, Mike Ditka, and Jackie Smith. All HOFers, albiet as greats for other teams first. He also threw to Bob Hayes and Drew Pearson whom most Cowboys fan believe should be HOFers. Lance Rentzel shot himself in the foot, but the guy was a great WR before he sunk his own career in a Corvette.

He also had one of the best RBs ever to throw to in Preston Pearson.

 

[Carl23]

Roger Staubach 79
Joe Montana 71+
Otto Graham 55
Johnny Unitas 39
John Elway 35
Troy Aikman 22-


Homerism must end.

 

[THUMPER]

I am not contradicting you, just sharing.

Staubach threw to Lance Allworth, Mike Ditka, and Jackie Smith. All HOFers, albiet as greats for other teams first. He also threw to Bob Hayes and Drew Pearson whom most Cowboys fan believe should be HOFers. Lance Rentzel shot himself in the foot, but the guy was a great WR before he sunk his own career in a Corvette.

He also had one of the best RBs ever to throw to in Preston Pearson.

A couple of problems with your post Hos:

1. Alworth was at the end of his career when he came to Dallas. He played 2 seasons with us catching 34 and 15 passes and 2 TDs in each year. He caught 8 passes in 5 playoff games as well over that period. He was no longer the guy who was catching 60+ passes for 1300+ yards and double-digit TDs every year like he was in San Diego.

2. Jackie Smith played one season in Dallas and caught ZERO passes in the regular season. His drop of a pass right in his chest in the SB was the disappointing end to a HoF career. He did catch 3 passes in the playoff game against the Falcons that season but none in the SB.

3. Lance Rentzel was off the team by the time Staubach was a starter. 1970 would have been the only time Roger threw him any passes when he & Morton were being swapped out.

Both Pearsons became great receivers with Roger throwing to them.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Roger Staubach 80+
Joe Montana 71
Otto Graham 54-
Johnny Unitas 39
John Elway 35
Troy Aikman 22

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Roger Staubach 81+
Joe Montana 71
Otto Graham 54
Johnny Unitas 39
John Elway 34-
Troy Aikman 22

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think people are too impressed with total yardage and don't pay attention to what time period it was done in and what was accomplished with it.

If a guy throws for 60,000 yards and 400+ TDs that automatically makes him great? No that just means that he played a long time in a system that allowed/required him to throw the ball a lot.

Staubach played in an era when teams didn't throw a lot and in a system that focused on running first, particularly early in his career. His teams won more than 75% of the time and were consistent contenders. Only a very small handful of QBs can make that claim.

The claim that he had a bunch of great receivers is ridiculous. The years that he led the league in passing he had guys at the end of their careers (1971 = Alworth, Hayes, Ditka) or guys just getting started (1973 = Pearson, DuPree, & Stowe). Only in his last two seasons (78 & 79) did he have a solid receiving corps of Pearson, Hill, & DuPree in their primes. Those were also the only times he threw for more than 3000 yards as the game was changing to more of a passing game.

Roger was head and shoulders above his contemporaries (Bradshaw, Stabler, Anderson, etc.) in almost every category and was easily the winningest QB of his time.

I agree with this post.

To me, the game has just changed too much to even try and compare production from QBs who played in the 70s/80s and before. Inline blocking rules and the limitations placed on what defensive units can and can't do are just to significant to try and compare the two games. The style of Football you see today in the NFL is just different. I am not in favor of comparing players from different eras side by side for this reason. I am, however, in favor of comparing how each player dominated his era or compared to players in his era as a commen context for evaluating players of different eras. That, to me, is the only fair way to compare.