Best QB Of All-Time #1 Poll #1

It all depends on what type of weapons, system, defense you have around you.

But all things being equal and everyone had the same talent and my life depended on winning one game, I would have to roll with Joe Montana.

That's me though.

- Mike G.
 
ConcordCowboy;1253174 said:
One of the most ridiculously underrated...undervalued QB's of All Time.

Troy%20Aikman.jpg

Underrated?

Undervalued?

The guy is in the HOF...what else do you want?
 
Bizwah;1253001 said:
I'm one of those guys that thinks Montana is overrated. Sure, he was a good QB....but he played in a WCO.....Of course his stats will be inflated.

Of the guys I watched growing up, I always thought Elway and Marino were the best as far as talent goes.

I'm with you on those two...I'm not sure of the order since Marino didn't have much of a running game with him...he was sort of a 1-man franchise.
 
wayne_motley;1253328 said:
Underrated?

Undervalued?

The guy is in the HOF...what else do you want?

I personally want his name mentioned when these "experts" talk about the greatest QBs of all time and mention the likes of Elway, Marino, Montana, Bradshaw, and Young.

Aikman and Staubach are never mentioned in that group, and they should be.
 
wayne_motley;1253328 said:
Underrated?

Undervalued?

The guy is in the HOF...what else do you want?

Yep, has a cush TV job, in the ROH and remembered fondly by locals, nationals and everyone in-between.

Just because he is not considered a Top 5-10 QB of all time doesn't mean he is undervalued and underrated.

- Mike G.
 
mickgreen58;1253336 said:
Yep, has a cush TV job, in the ROH and remembered fondly by locals, nationals and everyone in-between.

Just because he is not considered a Top 5-10 QB of all time doesn't mean he is undervalued and underrated.

- Mike G.

He should be considered a Top 5 QB of all time, and he isn't. And that's what bothers me.
 
If I were starting a team tomorrow and could have any of these guys in their prime I surely wouldn't complain, but my top 5 all time would be;

Marino
Farve
Staubach
Montana
Elway
 
mickgreen58;1253373 said:
And that is your opinion...

Winningest QB of any decade..... that includes Montana and the like, not opinion, fact.

Second on the list of most SB wins, only to Montana and Bradshaw.... not opinion... fact.

So, why shouldn't he be considered in the top 5?
 
rcaldw;1253402 said:
Winningest QB of any decade..... that includes Montana and the like, not opinion, fact.

Second on the list of most SB wins, only to Montana and Bradshaw.... not opinion... fact.

So, why shouldn't he be considered in the top 5?

Yeap that's the same guy Rick Reilly of Sports Illustrated said didn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. sheesh.
 
Montana, only because he was so clutch under pressure.

But I'm tempted to say Marino. I always thought he was actually better than Montana, but Montana was so perfect under pressure I'll have to give him the nod. (Though I do think it's bogus that Marino gets blamed for not winning SBs.)
 
burmafrd;1253015 said:
Gotta go with Montana- but its close with him, Roger and Otto Graham. Frankly, the difference between the three is very little. Roger and Otto were very similiar. But remember with all due respect to Otto, Paul Brown built an incredible machine in Cleveland. Even the best teams of ROger and Joe were not as dominant as the Browns were in the mid to late 50's. Only Detroit for some reason had their number.

Don't forget that when Otto retired the Browns had their first losing season, which turned out to be a good thing for them as they were able to draft Jim Brown. My point is that the Browns weren't that great without Graham. They still had a lot of talent on that team but couldn't win without him.

I also rate Paul Brown as the greatest HC of all time. Just so no one is confused, I hate the Browns but I recognize the superiority of Graham and Brown as the best ever at their jobs.

No QB was ever as far above his competition as Graham. No one.
 
THUMPER;1253457 said:
Don't forget that when Otto retired the Browns had their first losing season, which turned out to be a good thing for them as they were able to draft Jim Brown. My point is that the Browns weren't that great without Graham. They still had a lot of talent on that team but couldn't win without him.

I also rate Paul Brown as the greatest HC of all time. Just so no one is confused, I hate the Browns but I recognize the superiority of Graham and Brown as the best ever at their jobs.

No QB was ever as far above his competition as Graham. No one.

I'll give you those two. I think Unitas is still the best but Graham is one of the greatest ever. All you have to do is look at his record. Brown is the father of it all.

I wonder just how great either Graham or Brown would have been without the other.

You're talking to people(vast majority) who don't remember the fifties and early sixties though.

All the QBs mentioned (seriously) could be argued.
 
jobberone;1253486 said:
You're talking to people(vast majority) who don't remember the fifties and early sixties though.

Shoot.

My dad can't remember the fifties and early sixties. :D
 
I've always thought that this was just about the best question leading to debate in sports.

I'm only 37, so I missed a lot of the greats actually play.

I comment on go 1978 rule change era. Football prior to that was just a different game.

Elway was the most all around talented.

Marino was the best pure passer.

Aikman had some skills that really set him apart. He had as quick a release as I've ever seen. His accuarcy and velocity was second to none.
You give me a championship quality surrounding cast and he's my guy. With his skill set, he could do more with a very good team than anyone.
But that's as far as he goes. He could not ablib with the best. He was not mobile enough little ability to throw on the run. He could not elevate a poor to average team.

Montana is the best in the post 1978 era. You could argue for the sake of arguing, but in the end you lose.
Didn't have a big arm and wasn't the best athlete.
This was the secret to his success:
Ability to see the field, read the defense and find his best option quicker and more often than anyone.
Outstanding ability to feel the rush and move well in and outside the pocket. All the time with his attention focused on the coverage and his recievers.
Last but not least his was his ability to throw extremely accurate passes.

Does this sound like anyone we know playing now?:)
 
rcaldw;1253402 said:
Winningest QB of any decade..... that includes Montana and the like, not opinion, fact.

Second on the list of most SB wins, only to Montana and Bradshaw.... not opinion... fact.

So, why shouldn't he be considered in the top 5?

Again, Aikman being a top 5 Quarterback is your opinion.

Doesn't change the fact that he IS appreciated, in the Hall of Fame, in the Ring of Honor and gets praise from everyone.

Im guessing all the local and national newspaper would need to declare him the GOAT to get some people to feel he is appreciated.

- Mike G.
 
the thing about asking who the greatest qb of all time is you have to factor in all the factors:

cold weather
coaching
talent level the qb had to deal with
accuracy
leadership
running game or not
whether the qb had a defense or not
offense line or not
etc... etc..

that being said the best five i've seen in 31 years of watching football:

1. john elway
2. joe montana
3. dan marino
4. jim kelly
5. troy aikman
 
burmafrd;1253038 said:
I am saying that Joe did not throw short for MOST of his passes. Like I said- I watched his whole career. He hit Taylor and Rice and company with a lot of long passes- he sucked the corners in with the short stuff and then killed them long. He spread it all over the field.

I'd probably have gto disagree with this. Joe, and really, any QB who plays in a WC offense throws short much more then other QBs. It's how the offense is designed, especially the one Joe played in in San Francisco. Just the way it was set up.
 
lane;1253534 said:
the thing about asking who the greatest qb of all time is you have to factor in all the factors:

cold weather
coaching
talent level the qb had to deal with
accuracy
leadership
running game or not
whether the qb had a defense or not
offense line or not
etc... etc..

that being said the best five i've seen in 31 years of watching football:

1. john elway
2. joe montana
3. dan marino
4. jim kelly
5. troy aikman

I'm a bit surprised at this list. 31 years would include 1975 on. In that time, I think Roger Staubach, Brett Favre, Payton Manning, Steve Young, Warren Moon and probably Tom Brady, just off the top of my head might deserve a little consideration for a list such as this. JMO of course.
 

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