Best QB Of All-Time #1 Poll #1

MikeCowboy3189;1253332 said:
I personally want his name mentioned when these "experts" talk about the greatest QBs of all time and mention the likes of Elway, Marino, Montana, Bradshaw, and Young.

Aikman and Staubach are never mentioned in that group, and they should be.



I'll explain it to you plain and simple....


Mr. Unitas...great leader..great passer and tough as nails

Mr. Staubach....just imagine if he'd come to the NFL straight out of college and if he hadn't had all of the concussions.

Mr. Marino......Did the most with the least.

Mr. Elway.......Finallly got the help Marino never got...

Mr. Montana....Most over rated over exposed over hyped QB...the precursor to Brady Quinn.


That's Gospel....
 
Here I will show my homer colors but I think it has to be Staubach. He won 2 Super Bowls and played in a total of 4 and he did it with different guys around him. Different WRs, RBs and O lines. He was the one constant.

He could stand in the pocket and was one of the most acurate of Qbs. He also, could make plays on the run and use his feet. He was called Roger "The Dodger" for nothing.

In addition, he was the coolest under pressure. WHen the team got behind, no one ever thought they were out of it until the final gun went off.

IMO, the best ever was Staubach.
 
SaintReginald;1253643 said:
young brett favre on pure sportsmanship and gunslinging ability!


Even though he will be and should be a first ballot hall of famer, I think quite possibly the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.

Joe Montana would be my choice even though I hate the 49ers and they show a replay of that stupid "catch" all the time.

Roger was the best ever Dallas QB and a top 5 all time, IMO.....Aikman is top 10.
 
wayne_motley;1253328 said:
Underrated?

Undervalued?

The guy is in the HOF...what else do you want?

When people talk about the Great ones which we are he's hardly ever mentioned as one of the best and Hell even a lot of Cowboys fans think he was good only because of the team he had around him.
 
MikeCowboy3189;1253332 said:
I personally want his name mentioned when these "experts" talk about the greatest QBs of all time and mention the likes of Elway, Marino, Montana, Bradshaw, and Young.

Aikman and Staubach are never mentioned in that group, and they should be.

Exactly...That was my point.
 
SaintReginald;1253643 said:
young brett favre on pure sportsmanship and gunslinging ability!

Im with you.

Brett Favre is the best QB of all time in my opinion.

I remember one of the GM's for the Packers said one of his biggest regrets was never getting Favre any top talent around him.

Favre is greatness.
 
1)Marino- most accurate passer, quickest release-good talent at wr (no rb)
2)Elway- athletic with big arm, great in/out of pocket- good talent at wr (rb in sb years)
3)Montana-Tom brady like- good arm and mobile,best attribute was football IQ-surrounded with best talent on both sides of the ball
 
The thing about Unitas and some of the older gen QB's was that they got to call their own plays. Roger always wanted to but Tom would not let that responsibilty grow.

Calling your own plays builds a comradsmensship/Leadership thing.

Unitas and Roger are 2 of my all time favorites...But from all of the great ones listed after that its hard to choose who was actually the best, different times and circumstances for them all.


This kind of thing is always about opinion and not real hard facts.
 
Well I think much to the chagrin of the folks who really like a guy like Aikman, it's just easier for people to latch on to certain other guys instead.

Guys who even when the cast of characters around them changed quite a bit were still able "lead" their teams to victory. It's too "easy" otherwise to just wonder how much a guys success had to with the particular group he had the one time around. Primarily when it wasnt a case of a knack for last second heroics or magic that gave the guy his good rep in the first place. When a guy has that quality it's more likely a guy will have success no matter who he's playing with.

Then in Aikmans case you thow in an Emmitt Smith, arguably the best RB of all time and it muddies it up even more. Especially when it seemed like instead of the usual case where when an obvious primetime QB couldnt play and most everyone thought that team would have trouble winning, here it was more of a case where when Emmitt didnt play was when we would have the most trouble.

Right or wrong because of the different variables, if the perception is a team thats otherwise playing at a very high level cant win without it's starting RB, it's not saying a whole lot about their QB. It questions who's really making the whole thing tick.
 
DipChit;1253886 said:
Well I think much to the chagrin of the folks who really like a guy like Aikman, it's just easier for people to latch on to certain other guys instead.

Guys who even when the cast of characters around them changed quite a bit were still able "lead" their teams to victory. It's too "easy" otherwise to just wonder how much a guys success had to with the particular group he had the one time around. Primarily when it wasnt a case of a knack for last second heroics or magic that gave the guy his good rep in the first place. When a guy has that quality it's more likely a guy will have success no matter who he's playing with.

Then in Aikmans case you thow in an Emmitt Smith, arguably the best RB of all time and it muddies it up even more. Especially when it seemed like instead of the usual case where when an obvious primetime QB couldnt play and most everyone thought that team would have trouble winning, here it was more of a case where when Emmitt didnt play was when we would have the most trouble.

Right or wrong because of the different variables, if the perception is a team thats otherwise playing at a very high level cant win without it's starting RB, it's not saying a whole lot about their QB. It questions who's really making the whole thing tick.

Yes, and all those perceptions have valid answers to them, but a message board doesn't afford the face to face time to answer and refute. Which is why, after stating an opinion, it is just better to let everyone run on about it.

For example, all those times that Emmitt didn't play and when we had trouble. When were those times?

Primarily TWO GAMES. (He didn't miss many games you know) Opening of 93 season. Why did we have so much trouble? It wasn't just football, it was a divided team as well, upset over contracts and money.

I can point you to PLAYOFF games, where Smith left very early in the game, due to injury, and we blew people out. But no one remembers those games and some don't want to. When we won the Super Bowl in 1995, Emmitt scored 2 gimme TD's, both set up by passes down to around the 2 or 1 yard line, but he made a VERY minimal impact in that game.

Nor do they want to remember 1990 when the Cowboys went on a winning streak to climb back into playoff contention with 2 games to go. Aikman went down to an injury at Philly. Babe Laufenburg came in.

EMMITT WAS STILL THERE.

Result? 2 straight losses.

People don't remember that, they remember 1991 when Aikman went down and Dallas went on a win streak with Beureline (sp?)

It is all about people creating the scenarios in their mind that they like.

Same with Roger. I was a HUGE Staubach fan. My favorite player ever. But I can point you to games I have on tape of him playing, at his height, when he stunk it up.

Roger WASN'T a better passer than Aikman. Just wasn't. Didn't win as many games. Didn't win as many SB's. But some will continue to think that Roger did nothing but win.

So, again, we all have our opinions, state them, have fun with them. But they are all (including mine), just that, opinions, and many of them based on superficial standards.
 
Joe Montana proved himself when he went to Kansas City and took guys like Willie Davis deep into the playoffs. The WCO is just a system like any other; you need the right guy running it.

He was the most accurate and the most clutch in the face of tough competition. His body would give out before he would. He was not stellar in the 1985 playoffs, but every other year the man would compete until he either broke you or you broke him.

Staubach was like that too. I never had the privilege of seeing Otto Graham or Baugh, so I gotta take Thumper's word for it (which is pretty good in my book). Still, from what I've seen give me Montana, Staubach, and Elway and I'd beat you most of the time.
 
rcaldw;1253915 said:
So, again, we all have our opinions, state them, have fun with them. But they are all (including mine), just that, opinions, and many of them based on superficial standards.

Thats fine. I wasnt inferring that anyone who puts Aikman on top of their own list is somehow wrong.. I was just responding more to the people who said they either wish he got more action, or cant understand why he doesnt get more action.
 
DipChit;1253986 said:
Thats fine. I wasnt inferring that anyone who puts Aikman on top of their own list is somehow wrong.. I was just responding more to the people who said they either wish he got more action, or cant understand why he doesnt get more action.

No, I understand completely. And I wasn't taking issue with your views either. I was just saying that in a forum like this, it is really difficult to debate the comparative merits of each player. And sometimes straw man arguments ("Aikman couldn't win without Emmitt) are thrown out there and stick, and no on really examines them.

It really doesn't matter who any of us "thinks" was best. I just rejoice that my two favorite QB's of all-time are both in the Hall of Fame. Roger and Troy.
 

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