Best team of all time?

[KJJ]

I agree. Especially the SB results had a lot to do with it. IMO, neither 49ers team had any real competition in the playoffs. But the 1984 team had to actually beat a good team in the SB.

The problem with the 84 Dolphins is they lived and died on the arm of Marino, which is why they never won a championship with him. They had no running game and the game got put on Marino. Same thing happened to John Elway when Denver faced the 49ers in 89.

 

[Flamma]

The problem with the 84 Dolphins is they lived and died on the arm of Marino, which is why they never won a championship with him. They had no running game and the game got put on Marino. Same thing happened to John Elway when Denver faced the 49ers in 89.

Evidently so. I expected a better game. But like you said, they had no run game. And in hindsight, that was the start of the AFC sending a poor product to the SB for over a decade. They could not compete with the best teams in the NFC.

 

[plasticman]

To quote the Who, this guy is Out of His Brain on the Train.

i have the true top ten teams in history, first requirement is they won the SB that year. The rankings are based on a formula using their won/loss record plus their ranking that year in five categories, points scored, yardage, points against, yards against and takeaway/turnover differential.

1972 Miami Dolphins
1996 Green Bay Packers
1989 San Francisco 49ers
1991 Washington Commanders
1985 Chicago Bears
1971 Dallas Cowboys
2016 New England Patriots
1977 Dallas Cowboys
1984 San Francisco 49ers
1997 Denver Broncos

For example. Miami was not just undefeated that season. They were ranked #1 in four of the other five categories

The 96 Packers were ranked #1 in three categories, #2 in another and #5 in the last one

We are talking about specific years and we are talking about "complete" teams, dominant on both sides of the ball. This is why you can't mention a 70's Steeler team as one of the best all time. An average of a half dozen teams scored more than they did every year they won a Super Bowl in the 70's

The 99 Rams?

\They were the greatest half-show on earth. What about their defense? They were good but nothing special.

The 2007 Patriots lost the Super Bowl. The greatest teams, at the very least, took care of business.

 

[noshame]

Yes sir.

And they came to Texas Stadium to deliver a 44-0 whitewash. Coach Ditka apologized to Coach Landry after the game.

That was horrific to watch.

 

[tunahelper]

Take your homer cap off. Lol No one was going to manhandle that 85 Bears front. You would’ve lost some money. Miami was the only team that beat them and they carved them up with the passing game with one of the all-time great passers. Dan Marino was on fire that night.

Look at the size difference. Fridge weighed 320, McMichael 265, Hampton, 260, Dent 255.

That Dallas OL would have run over the top of them. Dallas defense would have stopped Payton and their WR's would not threaten our secondary.

 

[pitt33]

To quote the Who, this guy is Out of His Brain on the Train.

i have the true top ten teams in history, first requirement is they won the SB that year. The rankings are based on a formula using their won/loss record plus their ranking that year in five categories, points scored, yardage, points against, yards against and takeaway/turnover differential.

1972 Miami Dolphins
1996 Green Bay Packers
1989 San Francisco 49ers
1991 Washington Commanders
1985 Chicago Bears
1971 Dallas Cowboys
2016 New England Patriots
1977 Dallas Cowboys
1984 San Francisco 49ers
1997 Denver Broncos

For example. Miami was not just undefeated that season. They were ranked #1 in four of the other five categories

The 96 Packers were ranked #1 in three categories, #2 in another and #5 in the last one

We are talking about specific years and we are talking about "complete" teams, dominant on both sides of the ball. This is why you can't mention a 70's Steeler team as one of the best all time. An average of a half dozen teams scored more than they did every year they won a Super Bowl in the 70's

The 99 Rams?

\They were the greatest half-show on earth. What about their defense? They were good but nothing special.

The 2007 Patriots lost the Super Bowl. The greatest teams, at the very least, took care of business.

That ‘77 Cowboys team was really good. Ranked #1 on offense and defense that season. I believe the last team to do that.

But the SB against Denver that followed was tough to watch. It was a turnover fest.

 

[KJJ]

Look at the size difference. Fridge weighed 320, McMichael 265, Hampton, 260, Dent 255.

That Dallas OL would have run over the top of them. Dallas defense would have stopped Payton and their WR's would not threaten our secondary.

You’re completely dreaming. Manhandling the 85 Bears defense? Lol Our OL outweighed everyone but we still had a few games we struggled to run the ball during the 92 season. Emmitt only had 62 yards on 26 carries against Denver that season. That comes out to under 3 yards a carry. He had under 4 yards a carry in week two against the Giants. That game turned into a dogfight. No one could run against the 85 Bears.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

85 Bears.... there simply were no rivals. Even the Cowboys greatest teams feom 35 years ago always had the 49ers there.... kind of jockeying for bragging rites every season...and alternating where the NFC CG would be played.

The 9ers and Cowboys and Pats had better extended eras of success...but for that ONE season, nobody could touch the Bears. Back when running game was king..no offense to Emmitt but they had Walter freaking Payton.

 

[quickccc]

The 85 bears weren't just good. They humiliated everybody, LOL.

except dan marino ..en route to the bears only loss that year..

 

[KJJ]

85 Bears.... there simply were no rivals. Even the Cowboys greatest teams feom 35 years ago always had the 49ers there.... kind of jockeying for bragging rites every season...and alternating where the NFC CG would be played.

The 9ers and Cowboys and Pats had better extended eras of success...but for that ONE season, nobody could touch the Bears. Back when running game was king..no offense to Emmitt but they had Walter freaking Payton.

The 85 Bears only gave up 193 points that season. That’s an average of just over 12 points per game. That defense was like running into Mike Tyson during his prime. Dan Marino turned out to be their Buster Douglas. It was really disappointing when Miami didn’t make it to the Super Bowl that season. Everyone wanted to see the rematch. That would’ve been the highest rated Super Bowl ever. Everyone knew New England had no chance.

 

[MarcusRock]

Look at the size difference. Fridge weighed 320, McMichael 265, Hampton, 260, Dent 255.

That Dallas OL would have run over the top of them. Dallas defense would have stopped Payton and their WR's would not threaten our secondary.

Precisely why you can't compare teams the way they existed during their eras. Those weights were average for their day. By '92, linemen routinely weighed 300+ and have only gotten more athletic from there. Athletes have evolved and people here don't want to admit it but even non-great teams of today would give the '92 Cowboys fits. So people can fantasize about how well teams would have done their thing against other great teams but as soon as you bring weights and athleticism into the picture, it's not a true comparison given the differences in time. All we have is how dominant a team was against their competition and the Bears were it in my lifetime. Of their 19 total games that year, they held opponents to 10 points or less in 14 of 19 games. Average game score was 28.8 to 10.9 over the full season. The '92 Cowboys averaged a 27.6 to 15.2 margin. So the Bears scored more and gave up less.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

2 things that strike me funny about the 85 bears: I was just a little kid, but I remeber how ENORMOUS the Fridge was...everyone talked about this freak of a human being at that size. But today...the Fridge would be considered somewhat small in the draft process (he was 6'2" 308 lbs at the Combine)...and would be considered very slow and out of shape for a "smaller D Tackle" at only 308lbs.

Also....does anyone in here thi know the world team in 2022 wouldn't handedly beat the 85 Bears, regardless of which rules the game was played by? Serious question...considering the vast difference in athletes now.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Baloney. 93 Cowboys easily beat the 85 Bears. Cowboys defense was comparable and the Bears offense was mediocre. Cowboys had an offense that scores on that 85 Bears, and a defense that the mediocre offense of the 1985 Bears would have trouble putting up enough points to keep up with the output of the Cowboys offense. 93 Cowboys also had clearly better special teams.

Top all time:

93 Cowboys
84 49ers
72 Dolphins

You can't put the teams in a time machine and make them go back. It's compared to their contemporaries.

I.e. if you took al the nfl teams from 2022 in a time machine, half of them could go back and smash the 93 Cowboys from 30 years ago....as the people playing just are on a different stratosphere athletically.

I imagine the VERY worst NFL roster in the last 3 years, if you let them travel back in time as is to 1972, would go undefeated and destroy the 72 Dolphins 60 to 0 in the superbowl.

It has to be relevant to their contemporaries for this question to make sense

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Precisely why you can't compare teams the way they existed during their eras. Those weights were average for their day. By '92, linemen routinely weighed 300+ and have only gotten more athletic from there. Athletes have evolved and people here don't want to admit it but even non-great teams of today would give the '92 Cowboys fits. So people can fantasize about how well teams would have done their thing against other great teams but as soon as you bring weights and athleticism into the picture, it's not a true comparison given the differences in time. All we have is how dominant a team was against their competition and the Bears were it in my lifetime. Of their 19 total games that year, they held opponents to 10 points or less in 14 of 19 games.

Jinx buy me a coke

 

[KJJ]

The 72 Dolphins won a lot of close games. They won 9 consecutive games with an aging backup QB. They had a great defense and a three headed monster at RB. Bob Griese only attempted 11 passes against Washington in the Super Bowl. Washington was actually favored by three points in that Super Bowl. Don Shula was so detailed he actually determined where the sun would be positioned during certain parts of the day at the LA Coliseum.

 

[Legend]

People forget about those Commanders teams. That '91 team was probably the best team ever.

The Cowboys had their number.

 

[Legend]

You’re completely dreaming. Manhandling the 85 Bears defense? Lol Our OL outweighed everyone but we still had a few games we struggled to run the ball during the 92 season. Emmitt only had 62 yards on 26 carries against Denver that season. That comes out to under 3 yards a carry. He had under 4 yards a carry in week two against the Giants. That game turned into a dogfight. No one could run against the 85 Bears.

The Eagles did not allow a 100 yard rusher in 54 straight regular season games.

Emmitt’s YPC was 4.4 while Walter’s was 3.5 in the playoffs.

 

[Legend]

85 Bears.... there simply were no rivals. Even the Cowboys greatest teams feom 35 years ago always had the 49ers there.... kind of jockeying for bragging rites every season...and alternating where the NFC CG would be played.

The 9ers and Cowboys and Pats had better extended eras of success...but for that ONE season, nobody could touch the Bears. Back when running game was king..no offense to Emmitt but they had Walter freaking Payton.

Emmitt has better playoff stats than Payton.

Higher YPC, yards per game, and TDs per game.

Emmitt also has more rushing yards and rushing TDs.

 

[Legend]

Precisely why you can't compare teams the way they existed during their eras. Those weights were average for their day. By '92, linemen routinely weighed 300+ and have only gotten more athletic from there. Athletes have evolved and people here don't want to admit it but even non-great teams of today would give the '92 Cowboys fits. So people can fantasize about how well teams would have done their thing against other great teams but as soon as you bring weights and athleticism into the picture, it's not a true comparison given the differences in time. All we have is how dominant a team was against their competition and the Bears were it in my lifetime. Of their 19 total games that year, they held opponents to 10 points or less in 14 of 19 games. Average game score was 28.8 to 10.9 over the full season. The '92 Cowboys averaged a 27.6 to 15.2 margin. So the Bears scored more and gave up less.

The Bears division was not stacked like the NFC Beast with the Eagles, Giants who won SB in 1990, and Commanders in 1991.

Plus Aikman and Smith elevated their play in the playoffs. Thus, their playoff stats are better than regular season ones.

 

[KJJ]

The Eagles did not allow a 100 yard rusher in 54 straight regular season games.

Emmitt’s YPC was 4.4 while Walter’s was 3.5 in the playoffs.

My point was no one’s OL was going to “manhandle” the 85 Bears defensive front. I get this is a Cowboys fan board but let’s be real.