Better Career - Tyron vs Watt

[RS12]

Who is remembered as the greater player: Anthony Munoz or Reggie White?

Interesting. The thing is O Lineman only get noticed when they arent doing their jobs and D Linemen when they are.

 

[RS12]

If you believe in Pro Football reference approximate value rating they have Watt at 125 and Tyron at 101. I guess you could think of it as the baseball equivalent of WAR or basketball PER. Anyway they have a considerably higher value on Watt. I will also say that when watching Watt play last Sunday night when they isolated on him he still put on a clinic shedding blocks at penetrating through the smallest gaps. He is as good as any D Linemen I have seen at doing that. Not as quick of the snap as Alan Page or Aaron Donald but much better when engaging O Linemen.

 

[tyke1doe]

Watts.
Put him on a good team in his prime, he's in the Super Bowl.
This league is about the passer and getting to the passer.

 

[lwehlers]

as great as a player smith is the cowboys are going to have to release him next year unless he reworks his contract. cost to much to keep him as he is no longer an elite tackle because of all of the injuries. i think it will take smith a couple years on the hall of fame ballot to get in.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Both are first ballot HOF, cannot ask for anymore from both players.

 

[lukemartin79]

Smith gave up something like 3 pressures and a sack against the Eagles.

Give the guy a break. He has earned that. He is still getting back in to game shape after missing almost 3/4 of the season, as well as being asked to play a new position he's unfamiliar with. Dude has been a stud from the start and is one of the Cowboys all-time best first round draft picks.

 

[erod]

Not according to Pro Football reference. Watt has played in 149 games to Tyron's 146.

But half of Watt's career, he played hurt.

And you can sub in the defensive line. Tyron never came out of games. He's probably played 50% more snaps.

 

[erod]

Watts.
Put him on a good team in his prime, he's in the Super Bowl.
This league is about the passer and getting to the passer.

And stopping the best pass rusher from getting to the passer.

Nobody was ever better at that than Tyron.

 

[Rayman70]

Watt won defensive player of the year three times. He was clearly more dominant at his position than Tyron Smith. Watt was a game changer. You won’t find Tyron Smith ranked ahead of JJ Watt in any all-time player ranking. Tyron will likely make the Hall of Fame but it’s not a slam dunk. A recent article gave his chances of making the Hall of Fame at 90%.

And the ranking are very biased. Tyron is still building on his body of work. Gimme tyron any day over Watt. If Watt was a rotation guy,heck yes...put him on a pitch count and I'm in. He's just not reliable.

 

[Rayman70]

But half of Watt's career, he played hurt.

And you can sub in the defensive line. Tyron never came out of games. He's probably played 50% more snaps.

This be the facts^

 

[KJJ]

Watt has been hurt more than Tyron.

And Tyron was definitely the better player. Best tackle in Cowboys history by a large margin.

Tyron has missed 45 games and Watt has missed 44 games with injuries so it’s been pretty even. Watt has clearly been the more dominant player. Not only has he won three DPOY awards but he’s the only player in NFL history to record two 20 plus sack seasons. It’s hard comparing them because they play two completely different positions but Watt has been one of the greatest defensive game changers in NFL history. On Talkin Cowboys a few years ago they debated JJ Watt versus Tyron Smith. Everyone on the show said if the Cowboys had it to do all over again they would’ve taken Watt over Smith because he’s been a generational player. You won’t find an all-time player ranking anywhere that has Tyron Smith ranked a head of JJ Watt. Although Tyron has been a great player he’s not even the greatest player we’ve drafted on the OL the past couple of decades. It’s been Zach Martin.

 

[Ranching]

They both got drafted the sane year. Tyron’s young enough to make pro bowls for 3 -5 more years. Watt fell off sooner too. Tyron’s still elite when healthy. Who had the better career?

Lol!

 

[Bermystar12]

Both are going to be in the HOF

I'd send you a Christmas gift just for reminding me of this moment of brilliance!

 

[KJJ]

And the ranking are very biased. Tyron is still building on his body of work. Gimme tyron any day over Watt. If Watt was a rotation guy,heck yes...put him on a pitch count and I'm in. He's just not reliable.

All the rankings have JJ Watt ahead of Tyron Smith. Even some who cover the Cowboys said had the team had to do it all over again they would have likely selected JJ Watt over Tyron, because Watt has been a generational player. Our defense is what’s killed us in the playoffs every year. Our lack of a pass rush is why Aaron Rodgers has dissected us in the playoffs. JJ Watt has been a greater player than Demarcus Ware. Had he accomplished in Dallas what he did with the Texans he would have gone down as the greatest player on our DL in franchise history.

 

[KJJ]

Williams gets hurt and misses games too doesn't he? By my count he's missed 16 games in the last 5 seasons. If Tyron can get to where he only misses 3-4 games a year would that be okay with folks? I don't see anybody complaining about Williams missing that many..

Trent Williams hasn’t missed near as many games as Tyron who’s missed 45 games over his career. Jerry claimed at the start of training camp that he moved on from some players because of availability. Tyron Smith has been one of the most unavailable players we’ve ever had. In 12 seasons he’s only played 4 complete seasons. We just drafted his replacement so he could be done after this season.

 

[KJJ]

Wrong.

When Erik Williams became the starting RT, it completely changed the Cowboys offense.

The #1 reason they lost the 94 season NFC championship was because EW was out due to the car wreck.

John Madden said that EW was one of the best players that he had ever seen at any position.

Wrong, the #1 reason the Cowboys lost the 94 NFC title game was because of three early turnovers that put them in a hole. Troy Aikman has commented on it many times. Erik Williams was one of the great players at any position but injuries from a car accident derailed his career and kept him out of the Hall of Fame. No one would rank him ahead of Larry Allen. This discussion is about JJ Watt versus Tyron Smith.

 

[KJJ]

That is a complete joke. Tyron is a slam dunk for the HOF. No question.

Geez what's next, The President isn't a HOFer?

Sorry, but his chances of making the Hall of Fame are given at 90% which isn’t a slam dunk. Even when the Cowboys podcasts talk about his Hall of Fame chances they say he’s likely or probably to make it. Zach Martin is a slam dunk Hall of Famer.

https://thelandryhat.com/2022/07/10/cowboys-hall-fame-chances-prescott-smith-martin/amp/4/

 

[erod]

Tyron has missed 45 games and Watt has missed 44 games with injuries so it’s been pretty even. Watt has clearly been the more dominant player. Not only has he won three DPOY awards but he’s the only player in NFL history to record two 20 plus sack seasons. It’s hard comparing them because they play two completely different positions but Watt has been one of the greatest defensive game changers in NFL history. On Talkin Cowboys a few years ago they debated JJ Watt versus Tyron Smith. Everyone on the show said if the Cowboys had it to do all over again they would’ve taken Watt over Smith because he’s been a generational player. You won’t find an all-time player ranking anywhere that has Tyron Smith ranked a head of JJ Watt. Although Tyron has been a great player he’s not even the greatest player we’ve drafted on the OL the past couple of decades. It’s been Zach Martin.

Offensive tackles can't win OPOY awards. Those awards mean nothing.

Tyron has played a lot more snaps than Watt.

Tyron shut down the best edge rushers routinely with ease.

He's the best tackle in Cowboys history and maybe the best in NFL history.

He was perfect until he got older.

And he was infinitely better than Erik Williams, who played the easier side and still got beat plenty.

 

[KJJ]

Offensive tackles can't win OPOY awards. Those awards mean nothing.

Tyron has played a lot more snaps than Watt.

Tyron shut down the best edge rushers routinely with ease.

He's the best tackle in Cowboys history and maybe the best in NFL history.

He was perfect until he got older.

And he was infinitely better than Erik Williams, who played the easier side and still got beat plenty.

They both missed a ton of games over their careers, I gave you the numbers. Go do some research and provide their total snap counts if you want to make that claim. You’re going way overboard on Tyron. Watt has been the greater more impactful player and it’s not even debatable. Tyron has been a great player but he’s had his problems with penalties.

 

[erod]

They both missed a ton of games over their careers, I gave you the numbers. Go do some research and provide their total snap counts if you want to make that claim. You’re going way overboard on Tyron. Watt has been the greater more impactful player and it’s not even debatable. Tyron has been a great player but he’s had his problems with penalties.

Lol, it's not debatable that Tyron had been better. He's played virtually perfect seasons multiple times.