Big 12 2014 Season

[Doc50]

It's going to be pretty darn tough sorting out all the 1-loss schools. We've got 3 undefeateds left (I am not going to count Marshall) and we are guaranteed to eventually lose 1 of those, though I sure wouldn't be surprised if the SEC devours their own, and the only unbeaten is FSU.

I think it will be verrrrry interesting when you have a dominant team lose their conference championship game to a weaker opponent. Something like an undeated Mississippi State team losing their CCG to a 2 loss Georgia or something like that. I guarantee you that happens eventually, maybe not necessarily this year, but eventually. Who goes to the playoff and who doesn't? The 2-loss conference champion or the 1 loss team who lost that game?

That's why I prefer the Big 12 round-robin.

 

[bodi]

where[s aikbachv Brain new people would figure out how to beat a Baylor offense '

Baylor was penalized 18 times for a Big 12-record 215 yards.

 

[burmafrd]

I think it is possible a 2 loss team might make the final 4. Depends on how fast the undefeateds go down.

 

[joseephuss]

I think it is possible a 2 loss team might make the final 4. Depends on how fast the undefeateds go down.

I think it is possible and most likely that team would be from the SEC if it happened. No way a Big XII or Big 10 team get in with two losses. Pac 10? Maybe, but doubtful. Same with ACC. Notre Dame probably would have a better chance with 2 losses than a few of those Power 5 schools this season.

 

[burmafrd]

I think it is possible and most likely that team would be from the SEC if it happened. No way a Big XII or Big 10 team get in with two losses. Pac 10? Maybe, but doubtful. Same with ACC. Notre Dame probably would have a better chance with 2 losses than a few of those Power 5 schools this season.

yeah with the bias towards the SEC that might be the case. But then this year is such a whole new situation with that committee that they might not be as willing to just take SEC superiority for granted as all too many others have.

 

[jterrell]

various.
we've seen Alabama win a NC with 2 losses... teams can certainly make a 4 team playoff with 2 losses.

This time last year Auburn was ranked in the 20s.
A lot happens in the second half of conference play.

FSU is one ruling away from losing Winston and they've not looked great as is.

A long way to go.
Will be interesting to finally see the Playoff standings tho.

 

[jimmy40]

not having a championship game is going to kill a 1 loss Big 12 team

 

[joseephuss]

various.
we've seen Alabama win a NC with 2 losses... teams can certainly make a 4 team playoff with 2 losses.

I agree that a team can make the playoffs with 2 losses. I don't think a Big XII team with two losses can make the playoffs this season.

 

[jterrell]

not having a championship game is going to kill a 1 loss Big 12 team

disagree there.
late losses hurt most of all.
a 2 loss team that wins the last 4 or 5 games has a much better chance than a team who loses a championship game.
you can't play 9 conf games plus a conf champ game.
NO ONE is playing 10 conf games.

no one should expect to get in with 2 losses but it is can happen and will if the SEC champ has 2 losses.
the Big 12 is the 2nd strongest conf and will get in if there aren't two/three other 1 or fewer loss teams in p5 conf come playoffs.
considering the current landscape that is VERY possible.
but right now you've got a lot of 1 loss P5 teams including 3 in the Big 12.
any one of them that gets out with 1 loss is a lock it looks like.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

A little late to the party. I made a post in the other college football thread.

After yesterday, I don't see any Big 12 team taking a spot in the 4-team playoffs. In my opinion, it came down to Baylor and Oklahoma. After Baylor lost by 14 to unranked WVU, I immediately scratched their name off the list. And Oklahoma just got their name scratched off with their second loss. I don't see TCU or Kansas St getting a playoff spot. I think the Big 12 is done. I see a Big Ten team taking a playoff spot (most likely the winner of the Mich St - Ohio St game on Nov 8). I can even see Notre Dame still sneaking in if they win out. But the Big 12 is done. I even see a second SEC team getting in over any Big 12 team.

 

[jterrell]

A little late to the party. I made a post in the other college football thread.

After yesterday, I don't see any Big 12 team taking a spot in the 4-team playoffs. In my opinion, it came down to Baylor and Oklahoma. After Baylor lost by 14 to unranked WVU, I immediately scratched their name off the list. And Oklahoma just got their name scratched off with their second loss. I don't see TCU or Kansas St getting a playoff spot. I think the Big 12 is done. I see a Big Ten team taking a playoff spot (most likely the winner of the Mich St - Ohio St game on Nov 8). I can even see Notre Dame still sneaking in if they win out. But the Big 12 is done. I even see a second SEC team getting in over any Big 12 team.

The Big 12 will very likely get a team in. If any of the three 1 loss teams make it through that way they are in 100%.
The schedule has it so the Big 12 will be finished playing games a week before other P5 conferences go to champ games.

Notre Dame is set up to steal a spot as unofficial ACC or PAC 12 champ. If they went undefeated versus the slate of games versus either coastal conf they'd have their spot basically(once Oregon lost a game).

The only way the Big 12 gets shut out is if every team ends up with at least 2 losses 3 or more p5 conf champs or ND have 1 or less.
That's heinously unlikely.

I'll seperate out a post breaking down teams and confs because it will be very long.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

The Big 12 will very likely get a team in. If any of the three 1 loss teams make it through that way they are in 100%.
The schedule has it so the Big 12 will be finished playing games a week before other P5 conferences go to champ games.

Notre Dame is set up to steal a spot as unofficial ACC or PAC 12 champ. If they went undefeated versus the slate of games versus either coastal conf they'd have their spot basically(once Oregon lost a game).

The only way the Big 12 gets shut out is if every team ends up with at least 2 losses 3 or more p5 conf champs or ND have 1 or less.
That's heinously unlikely.

I'll seperate out a post breaking down teams and confs because it will be very long.

The only way I see a Big 12 making it is if one of the following does not happen:
1) Michigan State finishes with one loss
2) FSU runs the table
3) Oregon finishes with one loss

If all of those things happen, there's no way I see a Big 12 team making it, even if they finish with one loss.

 

[jterrell]

The only way I see a Big 12 making it is if one of the following does not happen:
1) Michigan State finishes with one loss
2) FSU runs the table
3) Oregon finishes with one loss

If all of those things happen, there's no way I see a Big 12 team making it, even if they finish with one loss.

ANY 1 loss Big 12 team will be above Mich St except possibly Baylor.
Go look at the post I did where I broke it down.
The SOS and SPI components will favor the Big 12 1 loss team in that scenario.
Mich St has only Ohio State left of any note at all. The rest of the Big 10 teams just hurt the SOS.
The Big 12 being so much stronger than the B1G means the Big 12 champ would get that nod almost every time.
The big 10 is the least threat of anyone.

Ways for Big 12 to get skipped.
All teams losing 2 or more games makes it very reliant upon other teams losing. Nothing close to a lock to get in with 2 wins.
Ole Miss to walk through SEC West undefeated but lose to Georgia in SEC CG. --basically guarantees 2 SEC teams.
FSU and Notre Dame and Oregon to win out makes it very unlikely for any B12 school.

 

[jterrell]

The only way I see a Big 12 making it is if one of the following does not happen:
1) Michigan State finishes with one loss
2) FSU runs the table
3) Oregon finishes with one loss

If all of those things happen, there's no way I see a Big 12 team making it, even if they finish with one loss.

As an aside I note that from this point last year 21 of the top 25 teams lost at least one game.

 

[jimmy40]

Kansas state has to play at TCU,at WVU and at Baylor, that's gonna be tough

 

[joseephuss]

Kansas state has to play at TCU,at WVU and at Baylor, that's gonna be tough

It is and I don't think they win all three games. Now if they do then I think they are deserving of a playoff spot.

 

[Doc50]

It is and I don't think they win all three games. Now if they do then I think they are deserving of a playoff spot.

That's true, but if they win convincingly, but lose toTCU, and TCU wins out in dominating fashion, then it would be difficult to vote against the Frogs.

 

[jterrell]

That's true, but if they win convincingly, but lose toTCU, and TCU wins out in dominating fashion, then it would be difficult to vote against the Frogs.

won't matter how people vote.
If TCU loses only to a 1 loss KST, KST will win the Big 12 championship and thus would get any playoff nod based upon winning the title which is criterion one.

Very unlikely B12 gets two teams but that's the one possibility and probably requires 1 FSU loss, 1 more ND loss, and the P12 plus B1G winners to have 2 losses.

The SEC is already eating its own so that part will play out for sure.

 

[Doc50]

won't matter how people vote.
If TCU loses only to a 1 loss KST, KST will win the Big 12 championship and thus would get any playoff nod based upon winning the title which is criterion one.

Very unlikely B12 gets two teams but that's the one possibility and probably requires 1 FSU loss, 1 more ND loss, and the P12 plus B1G winners to have 2 losses.

The SEC is already eating its own so that part will play out for sure.

That's not what I said - TCU beats K St, and they could be in.

Isn't there a committee that decides the BCS rankings, the one that comes out on Tuesday?

 

[jterrell]

That's not what I said - TCU beats K St, and they could be in.

Isn't there a committee that decides the BCS rankings, the one that comes out on Tuesday?

Yes, there is.
They'll announce the first rankings Tuesday.

I just misread your post above.

If TCU wins out they are very likely in.
They would win the Big 12 championship. Any 1 loss Big 12 winner has a tremendous chance to make the playoffs.
But beating WVA and KST in back to back weeks is no easy task.