Big 12 2014 Season

[jterrell]

It wasn't long ago (earlier this year) that pundits still thought the Big 12 strength was way below the SEC and PAC 12 in football.

While it's true that the SEC leaders knock each other off from week to week, it's great to see the Big 12 getting more competitive.

The old Southwest Conference dissolved, and more recently, there was talk that the Big 12 wasn't strong enough to last.

TV contracts helped a lot, but so have alumni donors, now that size of stadiums and quality of coaches and national recognition have entered the picture.
I'm sure that applications have gone up, so the tuitions have, too. I will be doing my part to contribute.

It's been an exciting year -- now we need a 6 or maybe 8 team playoff in the near future to really settle this thing, because there will be some folks who have a legitimate gripe about being left out.

The B12 was better than the SEC last year and this year it is 2nd to the SEC. The Big 12 will always be strong because it boasts Texas schools and talent.
It fell off at the end of the SWC because so much talent left the state for other programs: ND and Florida schools heavily but also Nebraska and Big 10 schools OSU/MICH.

Now it is squaring off regularly with the SEC for Louisiana kids and keeping a lot of Texas talent home.

The Big 12 being capped at 10 makes them pay out incredible dollars to the member schools.
The reason they didn't grab FSU and Louisville was money. TV wouldn't pay them more for them so while the conf would have been better and they could have gotten a champ game it wasn't contractually positive.
TCU and WVA took smaller ramp up shares to get in. And now TCU may make the confernce 25-50 million this year alone.

 

[Doc50]

The B12 was better than the SEC last year and this year it is 2nd to the SEC. The Big 12 will always be strong because it boasts Texas schools and talent.
It fell off at the end of the SWC because so much talent left the state for other programs: ND and Florida schools heavily but also Nebraska and Big 10 schools OSU/MICH.

Now it is squaring off regularly with the SEC for Louisiana kids and keeping a lot of Texas talent home.

The Big 12 being capped at 10 makes them pay out incredible dollars to the member schools.
The reason they didn't grab FSU and Louisville was money. TV wouldn't pay them more for them so while the conf would have been better and they could have gotten a champ game it wasn't contractually positive.
TCU and WVA took smaller ramp up shares to get in. And now TCU may make the confernce 25-50 million this year alone.

Good points.

And this is happening after A&M defected to the SEC, taking loads of Texas talent with it. That was seen by many as another nail in the Big 12's coffin.

Getting a larger payout per school in the Big 12 is certainly important to each of those school's programs.

As long as Texas high school football remains so universally important to its communities and has such high quality, there should be enough talent to go around.

 

[Doc50]

Went to the TCU - K St game.

Boykin has continued to improve, and he definitely drives that offensive machine. The running back who replaced Catalon, Aaron Green, looked terrific -- very quick and elusive, and hard to bring down. Receivers were sure-handed, and the Frogs had no TO's. Boykin won't win the Heisman, but he probably deserves an invitation to NY.

The D was stingy as ever. K St. essentially had 2 big plays for the entire game, and one was a mistake on press coverage with no S help, and went for a long TD. TCU man coverage can be beaten deep, as OU proved (was at that game, too); although I'll say that Trevor Knight was about perfect on his long throws.

The stadium was rockin, the student section was in full force an hour and a half before gametime, and it was a great venue.

K St. fans were polite -- a great improvement over OU.

 

[TheCoolFan]

The dream season may come to an end for TCU. Even if they survive Kansas today, I think Texas pulls the upset on Thanksgiving

 

[TheCoolFan]

Wow OK State is awful. Texas is dominating. TCU better watch out, although I think they blew their shot to stay in the playoffs with that close game vs. Kansas

 

[joseephuss]

The B12 was better than the SEC last year and this year it is 2nd to the SEC. .

What is your rationale for that statement? The Big 12 had 3 teams ranked in the final top 25 poll last season with OU as the highest ranked team at #6. The SEC had 7 teams ranked and 3 of those were in the top 5. The Big 12 went 3-3 in bowl games. The SEC went 7-3 in bowl games. I doubt many share your opinion about the Big 12 being better than the SEC last season.

 

[DFWJC]

What is your rationale for that statement? The Big 12 had 3 teams ranked in the final top 25 poll last season with OU as the highest ranked team at #6. The SEC had 7 teams ranked and 3 of those were in the top 5. The Big 12 went 3-3 in bowl games. The SEC went 7-3 in bowl games. I doubt many share your opinion about the Big 12 being better than the SEC last season.

He's a good dude, but he's a bit irrational regarding the Big 12.

 

[Future]

What is your rationale for that statement? The Big 12 had 3 teams ranked in the final top 25 poll last season with OU as the highest ranked team at #6. The SEC had 7 teams ranked and 3 of those were in the top 5. The Big 12 went 3-3 in bowl games. The SEC went 7-3 in bowl games. I doubt many share your opinion about the Big 12 being better than the SEC last season.

Homerism is all it is

 

[jterrell]

What is your rationale for that statement? The Big 12 had 3 teams ranked in the final top 25 poll last season with OU as the highest ranked team at #6. The SEC had 7 teams ranked and 3 of those were in the top 5. The Big 12 went 3-3 in bowl games. The SEC went 7-3 in bowl games. I doubt many share your opinion about the Big 12 being better than the SEC last season.

The games that were played?

The SEC didn't win a single Bowl game they were the underdogs in.
There were vastly overrated entering the Bowls and left without a championship and with their marquee school eating a 14 point loss.

The Big 12 was only 3-3 but those 3 losses were to #9 Oregon with an unranked team, #5 Missou with #17 OSU, and #10 UCF over #13 Baylor.

The Big 12 didn't lose a single bowl game outside the top 10 and in fact dominated non-top 25 teams.
Texas Tech beat ASU buy 2 TDs in a game that wasn't that close.
KST beat Michigan by 2 TDs.
And the 2 TD win by OU over Bama.

SEC wins were plenty but they were largely crap.
Including Houston, Rice, Iowa, Duke. Georgia Tech.

The SEC was only 3-2 versus the top 25. And 1 of those wins was over #24 Duke.
The best SEC bowl win was #5 over #17.
So they didn't beat a SINGLE top 15 team in the Bowl season.

 

[jterrell]

Homerism is all it is

or using one's brain to judge accordingly instead of following the sheep to dumbsville.

See above.

 

[Future]

or using one's brain to judge accordingly instead of following the sheep to dumbsville.

See above.

Grasping at straws...

Your making the argument right now that the Big 12 was better than the SEC b/c they had better losses in Bowl Games? Am I following right? I don't know how you can possibly make the argument that wins over Michigan and Arizona State are any better than, say, Iowa and Duke.

The SEC won more playoff games than the Big 12 played in. Even a sheep could see that....not to mention the fact that you're ignoring the entire regular season.

You're a big 12 fan, it's obvious. Don't act like there's a legit argument for that league to be better than the SEC.

 

[jterrell]

Grasping at straws...

Your making the argument right now that the Big 12 was better than the SEC b/c they had better losses in Bowl Games? Am I following right? I don't know how you can possibly make the argument that wins over Michigan and Arizona State are any better than, say, Iowa and Duke.

The SEC won more playoff games than the Big 12 played in. Even a sheep could see that....not to mention the fact that you're ignoring the entire regular season.

You're a big 12 fan, it's obvious. Don't act like there's a legit argument for that league to be better than the SEC.

I get that it is early so take time and digest the basics.

The SEC was VASTLY overrated last year.
Nothing to do with the Big 12.
Just as their own conference.

How do we know? The TWO highest rated SEC teams entering the Bowl season were Auburn and Bama. BOTH lost.

There was no playoff so hard to even speak to that.
Bowl games perhaps? If that's what you mean get out of here with that nonsense.
You can read and I posted who half those Bowl wins were against.
Beating non-P5 or ACC teams with higher ranked teams versus teams that are ranked outside the top 20 are hardly quality wins.

Arizona State was a top 20 team when played and ranked 21 after getting kicked in the teeth that's how that win is more impressive than beating a 5 loss Iowa team that was unranked all year.
It isn't complicated.

I have no problem being a homer but it is far better than being dumb and when it comes to this most are just dumb.

The Big 12 has a round robin that plays the same NINE game conference schedule and 1 additional P5 team for 10 legit football games.
It is actually QUITE hard to make the bowl season from the Big 12, unlike the SEC where you get EIGHT conf games and often 3 or 4 embarrassingly bad powder puffs.
Beat the two SEC dogs and you are bowl eligible.
Look up bowl tie-ins go play some Conference USA 2nd place team and voila. Bowl win.
But don't come talk to me about that being good.

 

[Future]

Auburn and Bama lost to top 5 teams. So instead of being 1 and 2 they are, what, three and four. That still helps make the case that they are the best conference. Let's say Oklahoma was #2...the next best team still wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Yea, Big 12 teams don't play any powder puffs.

Baylor didn't play Wofford, Buffalo, and ULM. Oklahoma didn't play ULM and Tulsa. Kansas State didn't play a FCS team and lose or the Louisiana Lafayette. Not to mention the fact that Kansas and Iowa State are cupcakes as well.

The Big 12 had some good teams. But when it comes to overall depth it it wasn't even close to the SEC last year. They've closed the gap this year, but the SEC is still the best conference in football.

 

[jterrell]

Auburn and Bama lost to top 5 teams. So instead of being 1 and 2 they are, what, three and four. That still helps make the case that they are the best conference. Let's say Oklahoma was #2...the next best team still wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Yea, Big 12 teams don't play any powder puffs.

Baylor didn't play Wofford, Buffalo, and ULM. Oklahoma didn't play ULM and Tulsa. Kansas State didn't play a FCS team and lose or the Louisiana Lafayette. Not to mention the fact that Kansas and Iowa State are cupcakes as well.

The Big 12 had some good teams. But when it comes to overall depth it it wasn't even close to the SEC last year. They've closed the gap this year, but the SEC is still the best conference in football.

good grief...
OU finished 6th, which is outside the top 5.

The SEC was supposed to have 3 or 4 of the top 5 teams ... accept they really didn't.

Again 3-2 versus the top 25.
That's it.

NO top 15 wins. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

But let's go back now with hindsight and look at amazing #2 Auburn....
The best non-conf win they had all year was a 7 point home win over a below .500 Washington State team.
But they rolled the SEC right??

Beat Miss St by 4, lost to LSU by 2 TDs, Beat Ole miss at home by 8, Beat TAMU by 4 on road, Beat Georgia at home by 5.
Beat Bama with crazy play at home.

Best road win on the YEAR was over TAMU by 4.

To their credit they thumped Missou in their most impressive GAME of the year but it was a game in ATL and a de facto home game.

If you are going to complain about schedules at least research what you are talking about.

OU played Tennessee, ULM(which has 2 losses on the year--Auburn and OU) and Tulsa which is a regional rival they play regularly that is normally pretty good.
No one in the Big 12 has given Baylor any peace for that non-conf SEC like schedule.

If you really wanna go down that road it is gonna sting.
Because the Big 12 generally plays 10 meaningful games and the SEC teams generally play 8/9.

 

[Future]

good grief...
OU finished 6th, which is outside the top 5.

The SEC was supposed to have 3 or 4 of the top 5 teams ... accept they really didn't.

Again 3-2 versus the top 25.
That's it.

NO top 15 wins. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

But let's go back now with hindsight and look at amazing #2 Auburn....
The best non-conf win they had all year was a 7 point home win over a below .500 Washington State team.
But they rolled the SEC right??

Beat Miss St by 4, lost to LSU by 2 TDs, Beat Ole miss at home by 8, Beat TAMU by 4 on road, Beat Georgia at home by 5.
Beat Bama with crazy play at home.

Best road win on the YEAR was over TAMU by 4.

To their credit they thumped Missou in their most impressive GAME of the year but it was a game in ATL and a de facto home game.

If you are going to complain about schedules at least research what you are talking about.

OU played Tennessee, ULM(which has 2 losses on the year--Auburn and OU) and Tulsa which is a regional rival they play regularly that is normally pretty good.
No one in the Big 12 has given Baylor any peace for that non-conf SEC like schedule.

If you really wanna go down that road it is gonna sting.
Because the Big 12 generally plays 10 meaningful games and the SEC teams generally play 8/9.

I'm not complaining about schedules you brought it up. Every major program plays cupcakes.

What is the bolded even referring to? Are you saying SEC teams only played 5 games against top 25 teams? Or just in Bowl Games? The latter would be ignoring the season leading up to that point, when each team plays a bunch of them.

And idk what "meaningful" means. A loss to Tulsa is the same as a loss to Ga Southern or whoeve.r

 

[jterrell]

I'm not complaining about schedules you brought it up. Every major program plays cupcakes.

What is the bolded even referring to? Are you saying SEC teams only played 5 games against top 25 teams? Or just in Bowl Games? The latter would be ignoring the season leading up to that point, when each team plays a bunch of them.

And idk what "meaningful" means. A loss to Tulsa is the same as a loss to Ga Southern or whoeve.r

Not hard at all to follow.
SEC Bowl, performances 2 games versus top 10 teams, 2 losses.
3 games versus teams ranked 17-24. 3 wins.
4 games versus UNRANKED teams, 4 wins.

It is body of work and it isn't as impressive as 7-3 sounds.


Big 12 3-3 sounds bleh but the 3 losses were ALL to top 10 tams and they also had a top 10 win.

They went 1-3 versus top 10 and 1-0 versus tams 11-25. 1-0 versus unranked.

The two biggest bowl game showings by far were unranked Tech beating Arizona State handily and OU manhandling Bama.

On the year?? What team finished top 15 that lost to the SEC in non-conf play?
The ONLY SEC top 15 wins I can find were versus EACH OTHER.

And we know those are largely meaningless because an SEC team will be ranked top 5 then disappear from the ranking in two weeks... hello TAMU.

Georgia Southern played one SEC team... they lost by 1.
That's a far cry from the ACTUAL SEC opponents which are often paid BYEs and not football games.
Teams like from the Ohio Valley Conference or other unheard of conferences.

The SEC routinely plays 3 teams from outside the top 80 for non-conf.
Outside of SEC teams with legit non-conf rivals like Florida or Georgia the SEC will schedule some trash.

 

[Future]

Not hard at all to follow.
SEC Bowl, performances 2 games versus top 10 teams, 2 losses.
3 games versus teams ranked 17-24. 3 wins.
4 games versus UNRANKED teams, 4 wins.

It is body of work and it isn't as impressive as 7-3 sounds.


Big 12 3-3 sounds bleh but the 3 losses were ALL to top 10 tams and they also had a top 10 win.

They went 1-3 versus top 10 and 1-0 versus tams 11-25. 1-0 versus unranked.

The two biggest bowl game showings by far were unranked Tech beating Arizona State handily and OU manhandling Bama.

On the year?? What team finished top 15 that lost to the SEC in non-conf play?
The ONLY SEC top 15 wins I can find were versus EACH OTHER.

And we know those are largely meaningless because an SEC team will be ranked top 5 then disappear from the ranking in two weeks... hello TAMU.

Georgia Southern played one SEC team... they lost by 1.
That's a far cry from the ACTUAL SEC opponents which are often paid BYEs and not football games.
Teams like from the Ohio Valley Conference or other unheard of conferences.

The SEC routinely plays 3 teams from outside the top 80 for non-conf.
Outside of SEC teams with legit non-conf rivals like Florida or Georgia the SEC will schedule some trash.

It's hard to follow b/c you can't write...

But I'm never going to agree that 7-3 is worse than 3-3 in bowl games. So whatever.

....and I'm not really sure but I don't know what top 15 wins the Big 12 had out of conference in the regular season. I don't think there were any.

And you keep referencing out of conference. Neither Baylor, Oklahoma, or Kansas St. played anyone good out of conference, so I'm not sure why you keep going there

 

[jterrell]

It's hard to follow b/c you can't write...

But I'm never going to agree that 7-3 is worse than 3-3 in bowl games. So whatever.

....and I'm not really sure but I don't know what top 15 wins the Big 12 had out of conference in the regular season. I don't think there were any.

And you keep referencing out of conference. Neither Baylor, Oklahoma, or Kansas St. played anyone good out of conference, so I'm not sure why you keep going there

what the heck are you talking about??
you keep saying things that aren't remotely true then pretending to not understand me.

OU played Tennessee and beat an SEC team by 20 points. The Tennessee coach said.. I don't feel bad about the loss because that's an SEC caliber team.
KST played Auburn.

Baylor did have a crap OOC, and I've noted that about a 100 times in this thread.

Putting you on ignore now since you can't post things that are remotely factual.

 

[Future]

what the heck are you talking about??
you keep saying things that aren't remotely true then pretending to not understand me.

OU played Tennessee and beat an SEC team by 20 points. The Tennessee coach said.. I don't feel bad about the loss because that's an SEC caliber team.
KST played Auburn.

Baylor did have a crap OOC, and I've noted that about a 100 times in this thread.

Putting you on ignore now since you can't post things that are remotely factual.

K State didn't play Auburn. I'm talking about last year.

 

[jterrell]

and for those following along that can at least use the internet to check schedules....

How 3-3 can be better than 7-3:

Number of Bowl wins over top 10 opponents: SEC 0, Big 12 1.
Number of Bowl losses to teams ranked outside the top 10: SEC 1, Big 12 0.
Head to Head in Bowls: SEC 1-Big 12 1 with the Big 12 winning the higher ranked match up and more marquee bowl game.