Big Numbers in a contract year

[Risen Star]

Like Hatcher putting up big numbers in a contract year, Murray is doing the same.

Hatcher benefited from being a 3tech and Murray, a great line. Let Murray walk like Hatcher- to the Skins or Raiders.

Don't overpay for him

That is destined to be a bad contract.

The Cowboys have built themselves a dominant young offensive line. Take advantage of that and look for a cheaper young replacement for Murray. That line allows the team a ton of options to get production at RB. They'll make a good back look great, as is the case with Murray.

 

[Risen Star]

I should add, and I made this two posts to hopefully double the likes, that the next back I want is one like Murray. Versatile. Able to play all three downs. As good of a receiver as he is a runner. Capable of picking up the blitz.

 

[BAT]

Yea, the non-effeminate thing to do is praise a guy that fumbles in his 5th game against Seattle with absolutely no one around him. Whoops-

When he was almost to the ground?? Really? Is that some how better? You never played RB on a team, right? It's ok. Admit it you macho man.

He is no Jim Brown. Get over it.

No one is claiming that Murray is Jim Brown. But Murray has a chance to do something that even a legend like Brown never did, 7 straight games with 100+ yards to start a season. Stock up on itch cream, the rash is coming.

 

[Red Dragon]

I should add, and I made this two posts to hopefully double the likes, that the next back I want is one like Murray. Versatile. Able to play all three downs. As good of a receiver as he is a runner. Capable of picking up the blitz.

What happens when this replacement RB wants a contract extension, too? Do we ditch him and draft his replacement?

Do we draft RBs every 3 years?

 

[CCBoy]

Yea, the non-effeminate thing to do is praise a guy that fumbles in his 5th game against Seattle with absolutely no one around him. Whoops-

When he was almost to the ground?? Really? Is that some how better? You never played RB on a team, right? It's ok. Admit it you macho man.

He is no Jim Brown. Get over it.

Not impressed by a series of preppie stances on all subjects that ignore all relevance. First of all, prove from a fact countered...not an insult of a statement.

Try proving a statement first. Not just implying a self ordained label.

A fact, the four fumbles occurred when Murray was wrapped up and going down. That is the hardest time for a ball carrier to control a ball...PERIOD.

Even using two hands in such events, the ball can be punched down and a fumble caused. Tiki Barber said that the way around that, was to grab the ball carrying hand at the wrist, and hold tightly with the other hand.

No, Murray had been targeted by aggressive and multiple player situation. As the cost goes up for missing with such moves and the yardage accumulated by Murray, opponents will tend to protect their own tails and go for a sure tackle instead. A few targeted mishaps, won't change Murray or his accomplisments.

As to prior value, YOU look up what total yardage for Dallas was already team records for a single game. Yea, in the very same arena as Emmitt Smith. Oh, and YOU go figure...Emmitt Smith and Jim Brown...yea, chump change for sure as you state.

As to prior experience, prove your own metal...and show how that matters. I was All District at Fullback and Linebacker in High School in Texas and then played for the USAFA, who lost in the Sugar Bowl to Tennessee...way back when. I then transferred to Texas A&I, where I was a linebacker on a National Championship NAIA team, the Javelinas...

But if all you add from here are insults...keep it to yourself, until you can also present a modicum of respect...in conversation.

 

[chagus]

I say give Murray a 4yr 25 mill contract with 10 guaranteed. Seems fair to me. He deserves it.

 

[CCBoy]

Not impressed by a series of preppie stances on all subjects that ignore all relevance. First of all, prove from a fact countered...not an insult of a statement.

Try proving a statement first. Not just implying a self ordained label.

A fact, the four fumbles occurred when Murray was wrapped up and going down. That is the hardest time for a ball carrier to control a ball...PERIOD.

Even using two hands in such events, the ball can be punched down and a fumble caused. Tiki Barber said that the way around that, was to grab the ball carrying hand at the wrist, and hold tightly with the other hand.

No, Murray had been targeted by aggressive and multiple player situation. As the cost goes up for missing with such moves and the yardage accumulated by Murray, opponents will tend to protect their own tails and go for a sure tackle instead. A few targeted mishaps, won't change Murray or his accomplisments.

As to prior value, YOU look up what total yardage for Dallas was already team records for a single game. Yea, in the very same arena as Emmitt Smith. Oh, and YOU go figure...Emmitt Smith and Jim Brown...yea, chump change for sure as you state.

As to prior experience, prove your own metal...and show how that matters. I was All District at Fullback and Linebacker in High School in Texas and then played for the USAFA, who lost in the Sugar Bowl to Tennessee...way back when. I then transferred to Texas A&I, where I was a linebacker on a National Championship NAIA team, the Javelinas...

But if all you add from here are insults...keep it to yourself, until you can also present a modicum of respect...in conversation.

And this might present some information as to actual comparisons: http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...smith-marcus-dupree-discuss-cowboys-workhorse

 

[Risen Star]

What happens when this replacement RB wants a contract extension, too? Do we ditch him and draft his replacement?

Do we draft RBs every 3 years?

Yes, unless we find a real special talent.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Not impressed by a series of preppie stances on all subjects that ignore all relevance. First of all, prove from a fact countered...not an insult of a statement.

Try proving a statement first. Not just implying a self ordained label.

A fact, the four fumbles occurred when Murray was wrapped up and going down. That is the hardest time for a ball carrier to control a ball...PERIOD.

Even using two hands in such events, the ball can be punched down and a fumble caused. Tiki Barber said that the way around that, was to grab the ball carrying hand at the wrist, and hold tightly with the other hand.

No, Murray had been targeted by aggressive and multiple player situation. As the cost goes up for missing with such moves and the yardage accumulated by Murray, opponents will tend to protect their own tails and go for a sure tackle instead. A few targeted mishaps, won't change Murray or his accomplisments.

As to prior value, YOU look up what total yardage for Dallas was already team records for a single game. Yea, in the very same arena as Emmitt Smith. Oh, and YOU go figure...Emmitt Smith and Jim Brown...yea, chump change for sure as you state.

As to prior experience, prove your own metal...and show how that matters. I was All District at Fullback and Linebacker in High School in Texas and then played for the USAFA, who lost in the Sugar Bowl to Tennessee...way back when. I then transferred to Texas A&I, where I was a linebacker on a National Championship NAIA team, the Javelinas...

But if all you add from here are insults...keep it to yourself, until you can also present a modicum of respect...in conversation.

The idea that I'm just out here begging the question is absurd.
A quick recap:

Murray missed 23% of his games in his first three years. Limited touches are related to health and passing being the option in the coaches assessment.
He has had one 1000 (1100) yard season and never finished top 5; hence, not a franchise back
He fumbled 5 out of his last 6 games
He has 3 OLinemen drafted in the 1st on his line blowing open huge holes unlike any other line in the NFL. Are you denying that? Randle has 7.1 ypc. That shows that a 6th rounder is having at leaas
He was a 3rd round pick despite the numbers he put up in college because he was injured often and had fumble issues. This has persisted into his career in the NFL.
http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2011dmurray_greg.php


A fumble is a fumble. Tiki said they are more likely to occur on the way down and suggested to Murray who never wraps up to do so. Putting your other hand on the football as Tiki stated is not the answer. He advocated having a sense of wrapping up. In the Seattle game, everyone saw the ball pop out of Murray's hands without being touched, with no one around him. This is what Barber actually said.

Barber: “Most fumbles occur as a runner is going down. It’s not like you’re running and all of a sudden the ball just pops out of your hand, or someone hits you and the ball pops out of your hand. It’s mostly when you are going to the ground after you’ve already gone into contact.”

Barber said covering the ball with two hands while holding it parallel to the ground when a defender makes contact isn't the way to ensure ball security.


In reality, that's what was said. When it occurs, it's not an excuse or less damaging. Murray often holds the point between his thumb and index. He swings the ball far from his body. He has poor technique which is surprising at this point in his career. This is no way to justify it.


You lose all credibility comparing Murray to Brown and Emitt. Compare their first 4 years with Murray. That should actually cure you of this misconception.

When you say that it's not the macho/manly thing to do, when I criticize Murray, that is a personal attack. It was noted in my response to you. .What you say is in fact hypocritical.

All District Tailback for 3 years in HS. Did not play in College. Turned down division 3 opportunities.

 

[CCBoy]

The idea that I'm just out here begging the question is absurd.
A quick recap:

Murray missed 23% of his games in his first three years. Limited touches are related to health and passing being the option in the coaches assessment.
He has had one 1000 (1100) yard season and never finished top 5; hence, not a franchise back
He fumbled 5 out of his last 6 games
He has 3 OLinemen drafted in the 1st on his line blowing open huge holes unlike any other line in the NFL. Are you denying that? Randle has 7.1 ypc. That shows that a 6th rounder is having at leaas
He was a 3rd round pick despite the numbers he put up in college because he was injured often and had fumble issues. This has persisted into his career in the NFL.
http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2011dmurray_greg.php


A fumble is a fumble. Tiki said they are more likely to occur on the way down and suggested to Murray who never wraps up to do so. Putting your other hand on the football as Tiki stated is not the answer. He advocated having a sense of wrapping up. In the Seattle game, everyone saw the ball pop out of Murray's hands without being touched, with no one around him. This is what Barber actually said.

Barber: “Most fumbles occur as a runner is going down. It’s not like you’re running and all of a sudden the ball just pops out of your hand, or someone hits you and the ball pops out of your hand. It’s mostly when you are going to the ground after you’ve already gone into contact.”

Barber said covering the ball with two hands while holding it parallel to the ground when a defender makes contact isn't the way to ensure ball security.


In reality, that's what was said. When it occurs, it's not an excuse or less damaging. Murray often holds the point between his thumb and index. He swings the ball far from his body. He has poor technique which is surprising at this point in his career. This is no way to justify it.


You lose all credibility comparing Murray to Brown and Emitt. Compare their first 4 years with Murray. That should actually cure you of this misconception.

When you say that it's not the macho/manly thing to do, when I criticize Murray, that is a personal attack. It was noted in my response to you. .What you say is in fact hypocritical.

All District Tailback for 3 years in HS. Did not play in College. Turned down division 3 opportunities.

Go back to the drawing board and prove validity in one of your cases.

You just described a pair of executions and think case has been made. You didn't approach validity of what Tiki stated, and that was a SOLUTION, not high cotton comparisons of your own chosing.

You still ignore today's comparison of what is occurring before our very eyes. That is a three year improving rookie, who did flash type levels of achievements, that was injured for periods. Previously, the Cowboys let go of an often injured wide receiver, Jimmy Smith, that never met the carpet, who ended up an eight season All Pro on another team.

The above still doesn't bother to research degree of achievement, as that is always being left for another to present, and a quick return to insult.

With the Cowboys owning a record of 2-3, the Cowboys faced the St. Louis Rams in week seven. Felix Jones was declared out for the game due to the high ankle sprain injury sustained the week before. The team declared Tashard Choice as the starter for the game and Murray as the second string running back. Murray ran for 253 yards on 25 carries against the St. Louis Rams[11] breaking Emmitt Smith's single game rushing record for a Cowboys running back of 237 yards (set at Philadelphia against the Eagles on October 31, 1993). The record total included a first-quarter 91-yard touchdown run that is second longest in Cowboys history, after a NFL-record 99-yard run by Tony Dorsett in January 1983. Among the other records he set during this game were a rookie rushing record for a game in club history, previously held by Tony Dorsett (206 yards in 1977). His 10.1 yards-per-carry is the highest rushing average with 20-or-more attempts for a game in club history, previously held by Tony Dorsett (8.96 in 1977), the 10th most rushing yards in a game in league history, the second-most rushing yards in a game by a rookie in league history, second-longest touchdown run on a player’s first career rushing touchdown in league history, and the most rushing yards by a running back in one game ever allowed by the Rams in club history (Los Angeles and Saint Louis). Murray earned the Rookie of the Week award and FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week for his game against the Rams. After the St. Louis Rams' game, Tashard Choice was released leaving the team with only two healthy running backs, rookie Phillip Tanner and Murray, with Felix Jones still sidelined with an injury.[12][13][14]

Murray followed his record-breaking game by getting the first start of his career against the Eagles in week nine. In week eight and nine, Murray totaled 30 carries for 213 rushing yards (7.1 average) and 5 receptions for 45 yards. With his second 100+ yard rushing game of the season, Murray became the first Cowboy since Julius Jones in 2004 to post multiple 100+ yard rushing games as a rookie. With 466 rushing yards over the last three games, Murray tied Eric Dickerson for the fifth-highest total all-time by an NFL rookie during a three-game span. The record is 577 set by Mike Anderson of the Denver Broncos in 2000. The 466 rushing yards in the three game span is the most ever by any Cowboys player, surpassing 446 yards by Emmitt Smith during his MVP season of 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeMarco_Murray

The Dallas Cowboys can run the football. We have six games of evidence.

Like, they lead the league in rushing with 962 yards, an average of 160.3 a game, meaning on pace to run for 2,564 yards. For perspective, the single season club record is 2,783 yards, set in 1978, and the franchise-low for a single season is 1,265, and we’re only two years removed from that. Huh, at this pace they will eclipse that low halfway through this season.

The Cowboys also have the league’s leading rusher, DeMarco Murray, 785 yards, and is a 100-yard performance away this Sunday against the New York Giants at AT&T Stadium – just in case those missing Cowboys fans didn’t realize this is a home game – from breaking Jim Brown’s 56-yearold record for most consecutive 100-yard games rushing to open a season.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2014/10/17/spagnola-cowboys-are-money-third-downs

Now just go back to ignoring the facts of today...but our conversation is complete.

C'mon, references were offered...

 

[justbob]

Trend lightly gentlemen or spend time alone on the mothership.

 

[CCBoy]

Trend lightly gentlemen or spend time alone on the mothership.

He's already on ignore...

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Sorry but this guy has missed 23% of his games in 3 years. Fumbles every game and let's not pretend he had put up big numbers (1500+). The guy was limited in carries because of health.

I never said he was terrible but he is simply not a franchise back worth paying for.

I can understand not paying for him. Without question I have zero issue with that.

But this isn't some contract year showing his ability thing. When he's been healthy and given the chance to carry the ball he's shown he can do that very well.

But, yes, I don't want to pay a ton for him either.

 

[lwehlers]

His biggest year is 11oo yards. Come on. In 4 years, he never broke 1500. Let alone a dominate season. If he is so good as you say, where are the numbers?

He is a nice back but not a franchise one and certainly not one to overpay for. They won't miss him especially with this oline.

I bet half the teams in the nfl wish they had murray now. murray is doing great because of blocking but he is also making his own yards after he gets up to the line and just has a great ability to seeing the cutback lanes. some running backs just do not see the cutbacks like murray does. I think he sees the cutback lanes as great as Peterson and McCoy do. murray has never had the chance for 1500 yards because garrett would not give him a chance to do so. if garrett would have committed to run more in recent years we probably would have made the playoffs by now.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Not impressed by a series of preppie stances on all subjects that ignore all relevance. First of all, prove from a fact countered...not an insult of a statement.

Try proving a statement first. Not just implying a self ordained label.

A fact, the four fumbles occurred when Murray was wrapped up and going down. That is the hardest time for a ball carrier to control a ball...PERIOD.

Even using two hands in such events, the ball can be punched down and a fumble caused. Tiki Barber said that the way around that, was to grab the ball carrying hand at the wrist, and hold tightly with the other hand.

No, Murray had been targeted by aggressive and multiple player situation. As the cost goes up for missing with such moves and the yardage accumulated by Murray, opponents will tend to protect their own tails and go for a sure tackle instead. A few targeted mishaps, won't change Murray or his accomplisments.

As to prior value, YOU look up what total yardage for Dallas was already team records for a single game. Yea, in the very same arena as Emmitt Smith. Oh, and YOU go figure...Emmitt Smith and Jim Brown...yea, chump change for sure as you state.

As to prior experience, prove your own metal...and show how that matters. I was All District at Fullback and Linebacker in High School in Texas and then played for the USAFA, who lost in the Sugar Bowl to Tennessee...way back when. I then transferred to Texas A&I, where I was a linebacker on a National Championship NAIA team, the Javelinas...

But if all you add from here are insults...keep it to yourself, until you can also present a modicum of respect...in conversation.

That troll is so predictable. When he is cornered with facts he'll just go on and insult the good people of this forum that they know nothing about football. He's as predictable as the sky being blue.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Go back to the drawing board and prove validity in one of your cases.

You just described a pair of executions and think case has been made. You didn't approach validity of what Tiki stated, and that was a SOLUTION, not high cotton comparisons of your own chosing.

You still ignore today's comparison of what is occurring before our very eyes. That is a three year improving rookie, who did flash type levels of achievements, that was injured for periods. Previously, the Cowboys let go of an often injured wide receiver, Jimmy Smith, that never met the carpet, who ended up an eight season All Pro on another team.

The above still doesn't bother to research degree of achievement, as that is always being left for another to present, and a quick return to insult.

With the Cowboys owning a record of 2-3, the Cowboys faced the St. Louis Rams in week seven. Felix Jones was declared out for the game due to the high ankle sprain injury sustained the week before. The team declared Tashard Choice as the starter for the game and Murray as the second string running back. Murray ran for 253 yards on 25 carries against the St. Louis Rams[11] breaking Emmitt Smith's single game rushing record for a Cowboys running back of 237 yards (set at Philadelphia against the Eagles on October 31, 1993). The record total included a first-quarter 91-yard touchdown run that is second longest in Cowboys history, after a NFL-record 99-yard run by Tony Dorsett in January 1983. Among the other records he set during this game were a rookie rushing record for a game in club history, previously held by Tony Dorsett (206 yards in 1977). His 10.1 yards-per-carry is the highest rushing average with 20-or-more attempts for a game in club history, previously held by Tony Dorsett (8.96 in 1977), the 10th most rushing yards in a game in league history, the second-most rushing yards in a game by a rookie in league history, second-longest touchdown run on a player’s first career rushing touchdown in league history, and the most rushing yards by a running back in one game ever allowed by the Rams in club history (Los Angeles and Saint Louis). Murray earned the Rookie of the Week award and FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week for his game against the Rams. After the St. Louis Rams' game, Tashard Choice was released leaving the team with only two healthy running backs, rookie Phillip Tanner and Murray, with Felix Jones still sidelined with an injury.[12][13][14]

Murray followed his record-breaking game by getting the first start of his career against the Eagles in week nine. In week eight and nine, Murray totaled 30 carries for 213 rushing yards (7.1 average) and 5 receptions for 45 yards. With his second 100+ yard rushing game of the season, Murray became the first Cowboy since Julius Jones in 2004 to post multiple 100+ yard rushing games as a rookie. With 466 rushing yards over the last three games, Murray tied Eric Dickerson for the fifth-highest total all-time by an NFL rookie during a three-game span. The record is 577 set by Mike Anderson of the Denver Broncos in 2000. The 466 rushing yards in the three game span is the most ever by any Cowboys player, surpassing 446 yards by Emmitt Smith during his MVP season of 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeMarco_Murray

The Dallas Cowboys can run the football. We have six games of evidence.

Like, they lead the league in rushing with 962 yards, an average of 160.3 a game, meaning on pace to run for 2,564 yards. For perspective, the single season club record is 2,783 yards, set in 1978, and the franchise-low for a single season is 1,265, and we’re only two years removed from that. Huh, at this pace they will eclipse that low halfway through this season.

The Cowboys also have the league’s leading rusher, DeMarco Murray, 785 yards, and is a 100-yard performance away this Sunday against the New York Giants at AT&T Stadium – just in case those missing Cowboys fans didn’t realize this is a home game – from breaking Jim Brown’s 56-yearold record for most consecutive 100-yard games rushing to open a season.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2014/10/17/spagnola-cowboys-are-money-third-downs

Now just go back to ignoring the facts of today...but our conversation is complete.

C'mon, references were offered...

Very good post. Thanks for sharing that article concerning 3rd downs. Its excellent! Until of course when I read the name Jerry Jones LOL. Otherwise very interesting read.

Since I've watched Romo throughout the years, I've never seen him so comfortable in the pocket. Last year he was given time but I think he was surprised that his oline actually gave him time. This year, he really trusts his oline to protect him and is content on handing the ball over to Murray.

 

[Red Dragon]

Yes, unless we find a real special talent.

What would this specially talented RB have that Murray doesn't already have?

 

[Austin 3-16]

Like Hatcher putting up big numbers in a contract year, Murray is doing the same.

Hatcher benefited from being a 3tech and Murray, a great line. Let Murray walk like Hatcher- to the Skins or Raiders.

Don't overpay for him

He's why I'm not alarmed by Murray. He was a collegiate stud. He gashed up the Rams for 253,showcasing his prowess. He suffered injuries, came back from those to go to the Pro Bowl. And here we are now. The man's career trajectory is what I'd call accountable. You can account for the events taking place right now by his history. Pay the man!