CFZ Biggest embarrassment in Cowboys history- and it won't matter enough to Jerry

[Bobhaze]

Jerry hasn’t been the primary, or even secondary, personnel decision maker for a decade. Will McClay is the GM when it comes to the draft in all but name and Stephen makes the vast majority of the final calls on extensions and FA signings. I don’t love that set up but it’s just wrong to claim things would be substantially different since 2013 if Jerry dropped the GM label.

The best thing he could do would be to give McClay de facto GM authority over all personnel decisions and relegate Stephen to keeping the financial records in line.

Jerry is responsible for everything. He has hired everyone making decisions, approved every draft choice, made every coaching hire (including assistants) and makes more personal appearances with the press than any owner in pro football. The best thing Jerry could do is get out of the way.

Yes, Jerry is responsible for everything. Unfortunately he is accountable for nothing.

 

[kskboys]

Jerry hasn’t been the primary, or even secondary, personnel decision maker for a decade. Will McClay is the GM when it comes to the draft in all but name and Stephen makes the vast majority of the final calls on extensions and FA signings. I don’t love that set up but it’s just wrong to claim things would be substantially different since 2013 if Jerry dropped the GM label.

The best thing he could do would be to give McClay de facto GM authority over all personnel decisions and relegate Stephen to keeping the financial records in line.

From what I see, he has a ton more say than you're thinking.

 

[TWOK11]

This is absolute common sense. And it is sadly uncommon in the inner sanctum at the Star. Agree 100%. There is a sickness in this culture that spans multiple generations of players and coaches.

Leaving this organization intact at the top is Like trying to build a building on a sand foundation. It will never work.

I recognize we’re all angry, but think about what you’re claiming for a moment. This is magical thinking. It’s indistinguishable from claiming the order in which you put your socks on impacts the outcome of games.

There is nothing mystical about this franchise. There is no nebulous culture flaw that spans all players, coaches and time periods. There isn’t a cloud of darkness hanging over AT&T stadium. It’s all superstitious silliness.

 

[NeathBlue]

If this was Texas of the 1880’s and Jerry was the sheriff, someone would have sent him to boot hill by now.

 

[TWOK11]

Jerry is responsible for everything. He has hired everyone making decisions, approved every draft choice, made every coaching hire (including assistants) and makes more personal appearances with the press than any owner in pro football. The best thing Jerry could do is get out of the way.

Yes, Jerry is responsible for everything. Unfortunately he is accountable for nothing.

I don’t know what to tell you. Numerous people within the organization, current and former, in that time have said what I told you. Jason Garrett said the last time Jerry offered any pushback in the draft at all was the 2014 Martin/Manziel episode.

 

[Bobhaze]

I recognize we’re all angry, but think about what you’re claiming for a moment. This is magical thinking. It’s indistinguishable from claiming the order in which you put your socks on impacts the outcome of games.

There is nothing mystical about this franchise. There is no nebulous culture flaw that spans all players, coaches and time periods. There isn’t a cloud of darkness hanging over AT&T stadium. It’s all superstitious silliness.

There is also nothing mystical about the results Jerry has been getting in the playoffs. The packers have more playoff wins in our stadium than we do. That’s reality.

And my points about this team are not made “in anger”. They are made in reality. I see an 81 year old Owner/GM who never is made accountable for his failures. Yes, he’s had some successes too. But regular season success without playoff success is a participation trophy. Pretty empty.

 

[stiletto]

Jerry hasn’t been the primary, or even secondary, personnel decision maker for a decade. Will McClay is the GM when it comes to the draft in all but name and Stephen makes the vast majority of the final calls on extensions and FA signings. I don’t love that set up but it’s just wrong to claim things would be substantially different since 2013 if Jerry dropped the GM label.

The best thing he could do would be to give McClay de facto GM authority over all personnel decisions and relegate Stephen to keeping the financial records in line.

Do you really believe that all the way? I think EVERYONE still walks on eggshells around Jerry. Even his own nepo-baby Son, most likely. I am sure they sway him and they talk him into stuff but I doubt their choices are all what they really think. I am sure there are some appeasements. Jerry is still the real HDIC until he dies. "Yes" men all around....similar to Hitler quite honestly.

 

[TWOK11]

There is also nothing mystical about the results Jerry has been getting in the playoffs. The packers have more playoff wins in our stadium than we do. That’s reality.

And my points about this team are not made “in anger”. They are made in reality. I see an 81 year old Owner/GM who never is made accountable for his failures. Yes, he’s had some successes too. But regular season success without playoff success is a participation trophy. Pretty empty.

But you’re not simply claiming we have failed in the playoffs since 1995. That is just a fact. Youre claiming that by the nature of Jerry Jones existing in his current capacity there is an unflinching, inherent flaw within the organization that by itself prevents us from having playoff success. This is despite different players, coaches and management set ups. This is with varying levels of authority on the part of Jerry himself.

I fear that if we ever actually win again while Jerry is alive the shock of having your worldview shattered will outweigh the excitement for many of you. This idea is positively religious for some at this point.

 

[kskboys]

But you’re not simply claiming we have failed in the playoffs since 1995. That is just a fact. Youre claiming that by the nature of Jerry Jones existing in his current capacity there is an unflinching, inherent flaw within the organization that by itself prevents us from having playoff success. This is despite different players, coaches and management set ups. This is with varying levels of authority on the part of Jerry himself.

I fear that if we ever actually win again while Jerry is alive the shock of having your worldview shattered will outweigh the excitement for many of you. This idea is positively religious for some at this point.

And yet, lots of signs, info, and data point hard directly to that.

 

[TWOK11]

Do you really believe that all the way? I think EVERYONE still walks around on eggshells around Jerry. Even his own nepo-baby Son, most likely. I am sure they sway him and they talk him into stuff but I doubt their choices are all what they really think. I am sure there are some appeasements. Jerry is still the real HDIC until he dies. "Yes" men all around....similar to Hitler quite honestly.

I think it’s easier for many to have a singular focus of their frustration and rage than to dive into the complex issues that make up a failed playoff run or runs.

It’s easy, and comforting, to be able to say “if we just got rid of Jerry this would all be fixed”. The scary thing is to consider you could get rid of Jerry, level the organization down to the foundation and the same or worse could still happen. It’s scary to consider that A LOT of organizations in this league have been consistently much worse for much longer without Jerry Jones being involved at all.

 

[Bobhaze]

But you’re not simply claiming we have failed in the playoffs since 1995. That is just a fact. Youre claiming that by the nature of Jerry Jones existing in his current capacity there is an unflinching, inherent flaw within the organization that by itself prevents us from having playoff success. This is despite different players, coaches and management set ups. This is with varying levels of authority on the part of Jerry himself.

I fear that if we ever actually win again while Jerry is alive the shock of having your worldview shattered will outweigh the excitement for many of you. This idea is positively religious for some at this point.

I 100% agree with this portion of your post above: “Youre claiming that by the nature of Jerry Jones existing in his current capacity there is an unflinching, inherent flaw within the organization that by itself prevents us from having playoff success.“

Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Jerry Jones IS the inherent flaw. Could not agree more.

And if we ever win again big in the playoffs I will be thrilled.

 

[Bobhaze]

I think it’s easier for many to have a singular focus of their frustration and rage than to dive into the complex issues that make up a failed playoff run or runs.

It’s easy, and comforting, to be able to say “if we just got rid of Jerry this would all be fixed”. The scary thing is to consider you could get rid of Jerry, level the organization down to the foundation and the same or worse could still happen.

“If we got rid of Jerry it would not all be fixed.“ It would be a start.

 

[kskboys]

I think it’s easier for many to have a singular focus of their frustration and rage than to dive into the complex issues that make up a failed playoff run or runs.

It’s easy, and comforting, to be able to say “if we just got rid of Jerry this would all be fixed”. The scary thing is to consider you could get rid of Jerry, level the organization down to the foundation and the same or worse could still happen. It’s scary to consider that A LOT of organizations in this league have been consistently much worse for much longer without Jerry Jones being involved at all.

Of course it could. That's obvious. However, keeping things the same will most likely result in the same ending.

 

[stiletto]

I think it’s easier for many to have a singular focus of their frustration and rage than to dive into the complex issues that make up a failed playoff run or runs.

It’s easy, and comforting, to be able to say “if we just got rid of Jerry this would all be fixed”. The scary thing is to consider you could get rid of Jerry, level the organization down to the foundation and the same or worse could still happen.

Fair...but I know who has been around and in charge throughout the misery. Not wishing for anyone to be gone though but I do wonder if it might be different? I dunno.

 

[oldcorvetteguy]

Everybody was talking about the Cowboys being uptight today on television. When I saw Dak overthrowing everybody, then I knew they were done. They aren't tough enough to overcome sloppy play. Bet Jerry sticks with the team and coaches.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

If this was Texas of the 1880’s and Jerry was the sheriff, someone would have sent him to boot hill by now.

Oh yeah, be pitchforks and torches that's for sure

 

[TWOK11]

I 100% agree with this portion of your post above: “Youre claiming that by the nature of Jerry Jones existing in his current capacity there is an unflinching, inherent flaw within the organization that by itself prevents us from having playoff success.“

Yes. That’s exactly I’m saying. Jerry Jones IS the inherent flaw. Could not agree more.

And if we ever win again big in the playoffs I will be thrilled.

Think about how many times we’ve been close enough that one fluke thing prevented us from advancing in the last 28 years. The 2007 team Jerry helped put together was good enough, he didn’t make Patrick Crayton screw up twice to send us home. The 1996 teams was good enough, he didn’t make Michael Irvin get injured. The 2014 team was good enough, he didn’t make the stupid nfl rule that robbed Bryant of an obvious catch. The 2016 team was good enough, he didn’t have anything to do with Rodgers making a once in a lifetime throw. Etc.

At some point attributing EVERYTHING to Jerry Jones just becomes incoherent and nonsensical

 

[Surfguy]

It's funny cause, if you didn't watch the game, you might have thought this was close at some point and they just slowly pulled away. But, nope. We got creamed in the puff pastry.

 

[Bobhaze]

Think about how many times we’ve been close enough that one fluke thing prevented us from advancing in the last 28 years. The 2007 team Jerry helped put together was good enough, he didn’t make Patrick Crayton screw up twice to send us home. The 1996 teams was good enough, he didn’t make Michael Irvin get injured. The 2014 team was good enough, he didn’t make the stupid nfl rule that robbed Bryant of an obvious catch. The 2016 team was good enough, he didn’t have anything to do with Rodgers making a once in a lifetime throw. Etc.

At some point attributing EVERYTHING to Jerry Jones just becomes incoherent and nonsensical

I know Jerry’s not responsible for the way the defense played today. He didn’t throw those two pics that Dak threw. But he is responsible for the results his team’s get. At least that’s the way 30 other NFL teams do it.

Put it this way- the winning owners of the last 27 super bowls all hired someone else to be their GM. And if they can’t get them there within 5 years they get someone else who can. Because good owners hold their GM accountable for results. Not here unfortunately.

 

[ShiningStar]

its funny how some still think the SB is his goal.

its not