Biggest Offensive problem?

vlad

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Irvin said it best last week, we run a man-beat-man system not a scheme-beat-scheme system. Works well enough when you have top talent at each level of your offense, but it can't sustain injuries, and it's predictable.

Ben on the post game show earlier that some player he doesn't did not name on an opposing team in recent weeks said our offense is very predictable.

So basically our scheme doesn't help our players, it just gives them a framework to operate in, plus our coaches seem to be incredibly stubborn about it. My 2 cents
 

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Why is it sad...Murray was a benefactor of having a great line, Romo and Dez being healthy...

Again, it's sad because that means there was no talent and no playmakers on offense. Some think it's the system...maybe so, but I haven't seen a system that could win 8 games with the players wer ran out on offense this season. Losing a franchise QB and a franchise WR when you have nothing else on offense but below average role players seems a pretty good excuse for struggling to score.
 

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Ridiculous.

Did we design a new offense from last year's highly productive one?

No, but if you really look at many of the game winners from last year, they came on broken plays from Romo (i.e. Houston/watt spin for a Williams TD, Spin from Irvin to hit TWill vs Sea). The scheme in and of itself wasnt keeping DC up all night, it was the final commitment to Oline and running plus the ability of Dez and a new Beasley to keep drives alive in ling situations.

They arent out there scheming matchups for Escobar or Hanna (who apparently ran a sub 4.5 but never gets a route look) or using pick plays a la NE, NO etc. There was talent and finally a commitment to run the ball last year. Teams adjusted and Romo balled the last month of the year. Now, no one on this offense scares the defense in that a 70 yard TD is coming any minute.
 

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Irvin said it best last week, we run a man-beat-man system not a scheme-beat-scheme system. Works well enough when you have top talent at each level of your offense, but it can't sustain injuries, and it's predictable.

Ben on the post game show earlier that some player he doesn't did not name on an opposing team in recent weeks said our offense is very predictable.

So basically our scheme doesn't help our players, it just gives them a framework to operate in, plus our coaches seem to be incredibly stubborn about it. My 2 cents

Now, that makes sense to me for the long haul. However, I still think there's no system that would make up for the lack of playmakers after losing Romo and Dez.
 

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Now, that makes sense to me for the long haul. However, I still think there's no system that would make up for the lack of playmakers after losing Romo and Dez.

I agree you're going to take a large hit when you lose these guys, but how many teams don't have these guys to begin with? Plus you can't just accept completely falling apart, and for some on here these warts were suspected for years. also when you do have these guys I don't think we particularly do things to help them, we just run the same thing regardless of who is in there. That really does bother me. The triangle looks great when you have Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq....
 

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I would like to see a true speed receiver, not the 150lb lucky whitehead. Think, Markus Wheaton, Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, complimentary wideouts opposite the lead dog that fly and make big plays with speed and elusiveness. For years, the Cowboys only look for the 6' 3" 215 wr. Like many things, they are stuck in their ways there. Beasley is ok in the slot with a good qb. Need that take the top off the defense guy.

Need a big time back too behind a still very good oline.
 

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It was injuries. Most want to blame coaching, as its the vogue thing to do on here. And yes it is part, but not the sole reason.cneed better player and depth too.
But losing your QB and WR. And troyng to replace your RB with a banged up OL to start the season does not help. Losing your best defensive player in Scandrick, suspensions, and other nagging injuries takes its toll

Blame all you want on who you want, if that is what you must do.
But a 12-4 team last year, and one cheated play from the NFCC game. To your leaders lost the next year will derail any team.

They do not have the right backup QBs for what ever reason, mostly those players themselves did not perform, and the team should have better been prepared, but a lot of that is hind sight from fans expectations.

Yes, other backups have won, but they also had a full healthy team with better depth.Injuries derailed us, period.
 

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I am literally getting dumber reading all this nonsense about coaching schemes. It's the same crap I've read for nearly 20 years now.

Always the coaches. Just have to find the right one. Darn our luck.

Maybe if we invest in the trenches a little bit more?? Would that do it???
 

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I would like to see a true speed receiver, not the 150lb lucky whitehead. Think, Markus Wheaton, Emmanuel Sanders, John Brown, complimentary wideouts opposite the lead dog that fly and make big plays with speed and elusiveness. For years, the Cowboys only look for the 6' 3" 215 wr. Like many things, they are stuck in their ways there. Beasley is ok in the slot with a good qb. Need that take the top off the defense guy.

Need a big time back too behind a still very good oline.
Great points. Speed just scares the bejebus out of defenses which in turn, opens things up for the Dez's, the runners, the tight ends. Guys who can cut, break tackles, blow by you in a heart beat. We need receivers like that, greatest show on turf type speed.
 

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we suck and it's not going to change

It will when we hire the right coach. Yes the main qualification is that Jerry not feel threatened but there has to be coaches who can feel that while also actually providing an advantage on the sideline. I think Sean Payton would be a perfect fit.
 

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Fans want to blame the coaches for not winning without Romo.
Jerry blames the coaches for not coaching them up.
Fans want to blame Jerry for not having better backup QBs.
Jerry has to wonder why a bum like Weedon could win two games for Houston without even knowing their offense.
I wonder why the offense under Romo, even in victories, struggled.

The answer seems simple to me. We have a serious lack of playmakers on offense.
  • Witten, possible hall of fame player, is not a playmaker any more...just a roll player
  • McFadden exceeds all expectations, but despite his speed, doesn't make guys in the secondary miss, so while there are big plays, no long TDs
  • Terence Williams is unreliable...at best, he can surprise for big plays and TDs IF Dez draws double teams
  • Cole Beasley and others....not playmakers--one can only hope that Lucky Whitehead becomes a playmaker from the slot and on screens/reverses
  • Dez missed games and was never himself this season...not a playmaker in 2015...we can only hope he makes a full recovery and becomes a playmaker again in 2016.
Weedon is a nobody, captain check down, a bum....but Cassell (the savior) who will throw downfield becomes a check down bum and looks like he's never played in the NFL through 8 starts, looking like he has no idea what to do with the ball. Moore comes in and appears to read the defense, know the system, and despite a weak arm, gets the ball out quickly and to the right guys--maybe he's the answer, but in his first start, like Weeden w/o a healthy Dez, suddenly can't generate a TD.

Weeden suddenly has playmakers in Houston, guys who win in match ups, guys like Hopkins, and he performs better without even knowing the offense...still was only 3rd string in Houston, but a serviceable backup in two critical and/or competitive games.

Maybe it's not just the system, the coaches, or the GM; maybe Romo does better just by getting us into the right plays at the line (okay, no maybe on that one), but the bottom line is there wasn't a single playmaker on offense without a healthy Dez drawing full attention of the defense.

This offense, even with Romo, needs playmakers....it cannot live on 10-15 play drives of 80 yards. Even if Dez returns healthy next season, we would be foolish not to add another playmaker on offense at RB, TE, or WR, a playmaker who can score.

The reason Emmitt Smith was there for us at pick 17 is because the NFL, despite his college career, labeled him too small and too slow. Jimmy Johnson said, "he doesn't run fast, but he sure had a lot of long TD runs of 60-70 yards at Florida." He was a playmaker.

Those long drives without a playmaker were difficult for Romo this year...impossible for even a decent backup. A backup QB needs a playmaker if not two...he needs a go-to guy. Sadly, in 2015, from Romo to Moore, all four QBs had only Witten as a go-to guy.

What is crazy though is that most of this was exactly the same last year. Murray didn't get TD's either nor did he make the secondary miss. So what is different between this year and last. From what I can tell it's Callahan and Romo that are different between last year and this.
 
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