Bill bashing in vogue right now

[dfense]

Jones and Spears are only putting pressure on themselves by talking before performing. They should have put up first. There's plenty of time after a successful season to talk.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The next time I see a player say "What you saw last year is what I am. I suck" in May will be the first.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Show me one player 'advocating' keeping Parcells' scheme rather than openly gushing about the changes and you might have a point.

you actually think a player is going to say, "pfff, this coaching staff sucks, bring back the old coach!"?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The next time I see a player say "What you saw last year is what I am. I suck" in May will be the first.

just one question

does Wade fist-pump? if so, he's already way ahead of Bill

 

[Stash]

you actually think a player is going to say, "pfff, this coaching staff sucks, bring back the old coach!"?

Not really.

Nor do I expect this debate to have anything close to a resolution until all the players happy to see Parcells gone get on the field and either prove that they were right or fall flat on their respective faces.

Until then it's just a bunch of internet critics firing back and forth at one another.

 

[superpunk]

The next time I see a player say "What you saw last year is what I am. I suck" in May will be the first.

Personal accountability is soooooo passe.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Hey, maybe Julius and Marcus Spears will be a better fit in another system. But what I find funny is that its never counter balanced with the idea that maybe Bill's system really fit a lot of our players, even key players, and that many of them might actually regress in another system. Guys Gurode, Witten, Newman, Glenn and most importantly Romo. Maybe TO is human and showing signs of being 33 years old and Parcells milked as much out of him as he could.

No, a Hall of Fame coach who has 30 years of NFL experience and taught and groomed multiple Hall of Famers somehow managed to conjure up a system that simultaneously held back all 53 guys on the roster.

Yeah, sure. Pass the Kool Aid.

 

[tunazboyz]

it is amazing all the negativity being spewed about Bill by players and broadcasters right now.....oh, he had his faults for sure but no denying he laid a foundation all of us can be thankful for this year....
I would hope we make it to the SB with the players BP brought in so he will have a good legacy when he gets to the HOF.....this will also prove Wade is right when he says 'putting players in the best position to be successful is what it is all about'.......something maybe BP fell short on..

I always thought he was a better GM than coach unless you were one of his guys and living in the 80's. He knows talent and can spot it a mile away BUT, his style of coaching is NOT good for today's players. It's just different these days!

 

[Stash]

Hey, maybe Julius and Marcus Spears will be a better fit in another system. But what I find funny is that its never counter balanced with the idea that maybe Bill's system really fit a lot of our players, even key players, and that many of them might actually regress in another system.

No, a Hall of Fame coach who has coached and groomed multiple Hall of Famers managed to conjure up a system that simultaneously held back all 53 guys on the roster.

Yeah, sure. Pass the Kool Aid.

I certainly wouldn't make a blanket statement like that. I think the majority of players greatly benefited from Parcells' coaching.

But consider this:

If Canty was having a great year opposite Spears, we could lay blame squarely on him. But that wasn't the case. And now Ferguson comes out with his comments as well (interpret those as you will).

I think there are certain areas where Parcells did a great job and others where he didn't.

But I don't agree with either extreme where 'he sucked" or he's "beyond reproach".

My stance lies somewhere in between.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I certainly wouldn't make a blanket statement like that. I think the majority of players greatly benefited from Parcells' coaching.

But consider this:

If Canty was having a great year opposite Spears, we could lay blame squarely on him. But that wasn't the case. And now Ferguson comes out with his comments as well (interpret those as you will).

I think there are certain areas where Parcells did a great job and others where he didn't.

But I don't agree with either extreme where 'he sucked" or he's "beyond reproach".

My stance lies somewhere in between.

I don't think Parcells is beyond reproach. I just believe the problems with this team are more to do with intangibles, or lack of them, than X's and O's. It wasn't X's and O's that caused them to spit the bit everytime they were on the verge of accomplishing something, it was a lack of character. This team was too thin skinned and didn't have enough street fight in them to be champions, and Parcells is responsible for building this collection of characters.

I just don't put as much weight from comments by players in May as some. May is the month of excuses and blind optimism. They're not going to prove anything to me in May. They'll prove something to me when they're not fumbling the ball on the 5 yard line with the late in the 4th quarter of a playoff game with the lead. They'll prove something to me when they don't turn in a gutless performace against a 3-13 Lions team with the division title on the line. They'll prove something to me when they show me they can find ways to win tight games instead of fumbling snaps and having kicks blocked and returned down the field in the closing seconds of the game.

 

[Stash]

I don't think Parcells is beyond reproach, I just don't put as much weight as comments from players in May as you do. May is the month of excuses and blind optimism.

Put me down for a glass of the 'blind optimism'.

:beer1:

I'm guilty of that every year.

My point is that nobody knows who's right or who's wrong on this one until they get on the field.

 

[peplaw06]

"We weren't that conservative when we were with the Jets," Ferguson said. "We would play two-gap maybe 10 times a game. Last season, we were in two-gap all the time. The (down linemen) were like circus elephants forming a wall and moving in one direction.

"I don't know why we stuck with that. Maybe (Parcells) couldn't trust the (defensive coaches) here to try other schemes. With the Jets, he had coaches he believed in more, I guess, guys like Bill Belichick, Romeo Crennel and Al Groh."

I may regret throwing myself into the fray in this thread, but something that I thought needed mentioning regarding this quote...

This is about the mildest form of Parcells bashing (if you can even call it that) I've seen from any player who's a subject in this thread. I suspect if you asked ole Tuna himself he would tell you the same damn thing. Of course he was being conservative. Hell, eduncan could have caught that one.

What this quote didn't do is fault Parcells for being that way, other than saying "I don't know why we stuck with that," which is very mild. Fergie even offered up reasons why Bill would have stayed conservative. He limited it to the coaches... who btw are no longer here. And that's an important point. I'm sure Fergie could have said, maybe it was the coaches, or maybe it was Bradie James. hmmm, which one would be better for the locker room? I wonder.

JJ, Spears and TO have piled on Parcells, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. And as has been stated, those guys were 3 big underachievers.

 

[smarta5150]

^^ You mis quoted me, I didn't say that.

 

[SultanOfSix]

JJ, Spears and TO have piled on Parcells, but that's about it as far as I'm concerned. And as has been stated, those guys were 3 big underachievers.

IMO, a lot of those who feel that these players are 'piling' it on, are using hyperbole.

As far as I know, there has been only three times, where three of these players were asked about their opinions, and they stated them.

If that's 'piling' it on, then my IQ is 170+.

 

[peplaw06]

^^ You mis quoted me, I didn't say that.

Didn't say what? I just used the quote function the first time I saw the Fergie statement posted.

 

[Juke99]

I've been bashing him for three years +

 

[peplaw06]

I've been bashing him for three years +

Juke the trendsetter.... and a man after TO's own heart

 

[WV Cowboy]

Parcells is a stubborn, narrow-minded, arrogant, crotchedy old codger, ... when you are winning, that is clever, unique, .. and he's one of a kind.

But when you go 34-32, can't win the NFC East, and don't win a playoff game in 4 yrs, that act gets real old real quick.

Parcells best years were before he came to Dallas. We got the same kind of years from him that the Cardinals got from Emmitt Smith.

I was thrilled when we got Parcells, ... but after 4 years I was disenchanted, and I'm OK that he quit and left.

I recognize the improvement to the roster over those 4 yrs, but others had a hand in that as well.

But if anyone deserves credit, it's Jerry Jones for putting his pride aside, admitting he was wrong, (a hard thing to do before a national audience) and hiring a real coach after 3 yrs of Bozo the Clowno Campo.

When we got Parcells, I thought we would have more than an "improved roster" after four years.

 

[Dodger12]

Ireland built the team...now if you want to give credit to bill for ireland I am in complete agreement...for he did shake up the scouting department...

I guess people just throw out and manipulate the facts to fit their opinion. How often have we heard Ireland say that Bill told him he wished he could see things through BP's eyes (paraphrasing)? The coach gives the personnel department his parameters and mold for the type of players he wants. The scouts go find them. Ireland din't build this team and, if he did, then by your thought process, it would be Ireland to blame for the team's shortcomings. I think not. BP built this team and while his tenure was not the success we'd all hoped for, we're a top ten team with a shot at the SB.

bill doesn't and didn't have time to look at all the college players... that is the job of the scouts and that is where I completely disagree with the folks who claim Bill built this team...

See above........

....was bill part of the drafting process you bet but from what i heard he was not that vocal on the first draft (al johnson) was his wish in that one and a punt returner and in the second draft the rogers and peterson thing was mostly his outside of that he mostly let the scouts do their thing in the following drafts except for attempts to fill the punt returner spot...

Oh I see....when it was a good/solid pick, it was the scouts/Ireland. When it was a bust (Rodgers/Peterson) or marginal pick (Johnson), it was all BP.

now was he responsible for keeping romo... yeah I think that would also be pretty fair to say... but who is to say that another coach also would not have...

"Pretty fait to say"......? But another coach didn't. Anyone that has followed this organizaiton knows that a coach without BP's stubborn philosophy, mindset and control (yes, to a fault), would have played Hutchinson, QC and/or Henson to the bitter end, resulting in multiple 5 and 11 seasons, if not worse, because they would have been enamoured with their potential. All the while, we, as loyal fans wearing blinders, would have equated it to Aikman's early years and how Hutch/QC/Henson took a beating but gained valuable experience in the process.....they'll do better next year.

I don't put finding Romo all on BP, but I give BP a ton of credit for looking past the blinders, the arm strenght, the pedigree and giving an undrafted FA a chance to lead the most visible sports franchise. That's a huge leap of faith for a win now coach in the twighlight of his career with his legacy in the balance.

I just didn't see anything to distinguish him as a good "coach" of the Dallas Cowboys

Then you need to look beyond your hate for BP

 

[Royal Laegotti]

we have jjones and spears.

that's a "team"? we have 51 other players, uh, 50 if we just move ellis to the side, NOT whining that i know of and wanting to get out there and play. you often prone to seeing 1 or 2 "vocals voices" and letting it speak for *everyone*?

my stance on bill was annoyingly clear to most but to rag on him now that he's gone is pointless and for a large part, unfounded.

but feel free to keep banging your head - you don't seem at risk of hurting much. : )

Don't forget Roy, T.O., even Phillips has made a snide comment here and there or taken a jab, going all the way back to the PC the day he got hired. And if the HC is taking liberties to jab Bill then who knows how many more. I think you left some out on purpose there homie.

So when I say team, do I mean 53 players, no, I mean enough to start a atmosphere of whining coming from VR, if you would like to be technical about it. But hey you couldn't help yourself I guess, you had to take a jab didn't you.