Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy

[CowboyRoy]

That's exactly what he did do

Sure, whatever you say.

 

[OGSixshooter]

If he ditches carter immediately. But he didnt. Qbs were just another position for him.

I will agree with you on this - never liked Parcells lack of respect for the QB position. It's where Belichick gets it from. Mac Jones...seriously?

 

[OGSixshooter]

Still not seeing your point.
MM all day. He is the better coach while here. MM also runs his own offense and its not romper room 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

MM knows what a real QB is. Parcells never figured that out.

Actually we are just getting to see him run his offense. You are wish-thinking...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Actually we are just getting to see him run his offense. You are wish-thinking...

Maybe, but I like the style of offense Mike is running so far. I'm excited to see it in action again tomorrow.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Maybe, but I like the style of offense Mike is running so far. I'm excited to see it in action again tomorrow.

Of course, but as a head coach, I'll take FFI over FFIV ANYDAY. Parcells is a proven leader of men...Mike McCarthy rode Rodgers to the SB. He won TWO MVPs and the team went back to back 13 win seasons RIGHT AFTER MM left!!!
Like...is this a serious conversation?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Actually we are just getting to see him run his offense. You are wish-thinking...

You will see

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Of course, but as a head coach, I'll take FFI over FFIV ANYDAY. Parcells is a proven leader of men...Mike McCarthy rode Rodgers to the SB. He won TWO MVPs and the team went back to back 13 win seasons RIGHT AFTER MM left!!!
Like...is this a serious conversation?

Perhaps, but the point of this thread was to compare how Mike and Bill took us from poor coaching to a team that is well coached and look like contenders. Mike is easily the best coach we have had since Parcells. I'm glad that we have Mike. Especially considering the coaches Jerry normally hires.

 

[This is Our Year]

McCarthy has definitely done well here so far. I think the biggest difference between the two is Parcells walked in here with zero talent and had to start from scratch.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

McCarthy has definitely done well here so far. I think the biggest difference between the two is Parcells walked in here with zero talent and had to start from scratch.

True, but Mike had to clean up almost a decade of Garrett at HC. So, there's that.

 

[CCBoy]

Sure, but, I can't help but wonder, if Carter had struggled in 2004, would Parcells have taken Rodgers in round one that year? I mean, I think DWare does get taken by us, but then it comes down to Spears or Rodgers.

Myself, I think Bill Parcells leaned towards senior quarterbacks who had experienced every thing in the book and ready for any situation.

1971	Fran Tarkenton (13) / Randy Johnson (1)
1972	Norm Snead (13) / Randy Johnson (1)
1973	Norm Snead (8) / Randy Johnson (6)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Giants_starting_quarterbacks

Randy Johnson was a former quarterback under Gil Steinke with Lone Star Conference Texas A&I. Steinke had been in New York along with Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi.

Fran Tarkenton was traded to Minnesota and a future Super Bowl there. That was under Perkins...

The following season, Parcells was approached once again by Perkins to join the Giants' staff as an assistant coach, and Parcells accepted the offer. As defensive coordinator and linebackers coach, he was allowed to change the team's 4–3 defense to a 3–4 system.[7] When Perkins announced on December 15, 1982, that he was leaving the Giants at the end of the season to become head coach and athletic director at the University of Alabama, the Giants announced that Parcells would succeed him as head coach.[7]

When Parcells took over in 1983, the team had posted just one winning season in the previous ten years. In his first year, he made a controversial decision to bench Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner. The result was a disastrous 3–12–1 season during which the Giants surreptitiously offered Parcells' job to University of Miami head coach Howard Schnellenberger after a week 14 loss to the St. Louis Cardinals; however, Schnellenberger declined, and Parcells remained as head coach.[20]

After this dismal first season, Parcells made Simms the starter again. The team's record improved to 9–7 and 10–6 over the next two years, and earned them their first back-to-back playoff appearances since 1961–1963. In 1986, he led the Giants to the first of two Super Bowls. In the 1986 season, the Giants compiled a franchise-best 14–2 record and the first of three division titles. Parcells, whose stifling 3–4 defense (known as the Big Blue Wrecking Crew) led by Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Harry Carson, and Leonard Marshall, and an offense under the direction of Phil Simms, knocked off the San Francisco 49ers 49–3, and the Washington Commanders 17–0, in the playoffs before routing the Denver Broncos, 39–20, in Super Bowl XXI. Parcells is credited as the first coach to be doused with Gatorade at the end of a Super Bowl, which led to a Super Bowl tradition. While there are some claims that Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka had been doused a year earlier,[21] NFL Films president Steve Sabol has stated that he can find no evidence to support it in any footage he has reviewed and that he believes the tradition started with Parcells and Jim Burt.[22]

Following the Super Bowl win, Parcells was courted by the Atlanta Falcons to become the head coach and general manager of the franchise. However, NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle would not allow Parcells to break his contract with the Giants and he stayed in New York.[23]

Parcells led the Giants to a second Super Bowl in 1990. The Giants began the 1990 season 10–0, but lost Phil Simms to injury late in the season and finished 13–3. Playing with a back-up quarterback in Jeff Hostetler and a 33-year-old veteran running back in Ottis Anderson, the Giants convincingly defeated the Chicago Bears in the divisional playoff, 31–3. They followed that up with a dramatic, come-from-behind fashion over San Francisco, 15–13, in the NFC Championship game on a last-second 42-yard field goal by Matt Bahr, set up by a Roger Craig fumble caused by nose tackle Erik Howard. Super Bowl XXV proved equally exciting as the Giants used tough defense and a ball-control and power-running Erhardt – Perkins style offense to stop the Buffalo Bills, 20–19, whose own last-second 47-yard field goal attempt by Scott Norwood missed wide right. Parcells retired from football after Super Bowl XXV due to health problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Parcells

This posting also shows the entrance of health issues as to cause for leaving as the Head Coach prior to coaching for Dallas as well.

But evaluations of quarterbacks were more of a traditional format.

Another quarterback for Texas A&I was Karl Douglas under Gil Steinke again. He was a black quarterback and was a draft choice by the Baltimore Colts the off season that Johnny Unitas and Earl Morrell were both released.

He made two pre season games and was just up and cut. He played in the CFL from that point forward. But wasn't really given much of a development or chance.

Management of quarterbacks was different then and was reflected by choices by Bill. Approach as well as leadership was just different during that period of time.

 

[CCBoy]

During his tenure, Parcells made a point of signing players who had played for him in the past, including Bledsoe, Terry Glenn (with the Patriots), Testaverde, cornerback Aaron Glenn, wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, and fullback Richie Anderson with the Jets. In 2005, the Cowboys went 9–7, missing the playoffs by one game.

Bobby Carpenter was his first round selection because he was the son of a former player Bill Parcells had previously liked and respected.

Bill had to have open heart surgery prior to eventually arriving with Jerry and the Cowboys.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Myself, I think Bill Parcells leaned towards senior quarterbacks who had experienced every thing in the book and ready for any situation.

1971	Fran Tarkenton (13) / Randy Johnson (1)
1972	Norm Snead (13) / Randy Johnson (1)
1973	Norm Snead (8) / Randy Johnson (6)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Giants_starting_quarterbacks

Randy Johnson was a former quarterback under Gil Steinke with Lone Star Conference Texas A&I. Steinke had been in New York along with Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi.

Fran Tarkenton was traded to Minnesota and a future Super Bowl there. That was under Perkins...

The following season, Parcells was approached once again by Perkins to join the Giants' staff as an assistant coach, and Parcells accepted the offer. As defensive coordinator and linebackers coach, he was allowed to change the team's 4–3 defense to a 3–4 system.[7] When Perkins announced on December 15, 1982, that he was leaving the Giants at the end of the season to become head coach and athletic director at the University of Alabama, the Giants announced that Parcells would succeed him as head coach.[7]

When Parcells took over in 1983, the team had posted just one winning season in the previous ten years. In his first year, he made a controversial decision to bench Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner. The result was a disastrous 3–12–1 season during which the Giants surreptitiously offered Parcells' job to University of Miami head coach Howard Schnellenberger after a week 14 loss to the St. Louis Cardinals; however, Schnellenberger declined, and Parcells remained as head coach.[20]

After this dismal first season, Parcells made Simms the starter again. The team's record improved to 9–7 and 10–6 over the next two years, and earned them their first back-to-back playoff appearances since 1961–1963. In 1986, he led the Giants to the first of two Super Bowls. In the 1986 season, the Giants compiled a franchise-best 14–2 record and the first of three division titles. Parcells, whose stifling 3–4 defense (known as the Big Blue Wrecking Crew) led by Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks, Harry Carson, and Leonard Marshall, and an offense under the direction of Phil Simms, knocked off the San Francisco 49ers 49–3, and the Washington Commanders 17–0, in the playoffs before routing the Denver Broncos, 39–20, in Super Bowl XXI. Parcells is credited as the first coach to be doused with Gatorade at the end of a Super Bowl, which led to a Super Bowl tradition. While there are some claims that Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka had been doused a year earlier,[21] NFL Films president Steve Sabol has stated that he can find no evidence to support it in any footage he has reviewed and that he believes the tradition started with Parcells and Jim Burt.[22]

Following the Super Bowl win, Parcells was courted by the Atlanta Falcons to become the head coach and general manager of the franchise. However, NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle would not allow Parcells to break his contract with the Giants and he stayed in New York.[23]

Parcells led the Giants to a second Super Bowl in 1990. The Giants began the 1990 season 10–0, but lost Phil Simms to injury late in the season and finished 13–3. Playing with a back-up quarterback in Jeff Hostetler and a 33-year-old veteran running back in Ottis Anderson, the Giants convincingly defeated the Chicago Bears in the divisional playoff, 31–3. They followed that up with a dramatic, come-from-behind fashion over San Francisco, 15–13, in the NFC Championship game on a last-second 42-yard field goal by Matt Bahr, set up by a Roger Craig fumble caused by nose tackle Erik Howard. Super Bowl XXV proved equally exciting as the Giants used tough defense and a ball-control and power-running Erhardt – Perkins style offense to stop the Buffalo Bills, 20–19, whose own last-second 47-yard field goal attempt by Scott Norwood missed wide right. Parcells retired from football after Super Bowl XXV due to health problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Parcells

This posting also shows the entrance of health issues as to cause for leaving as the Head Coach prior to coaching for Dallas as well.

But evaluations of quarterbacks were more of a traditional format.

Another quarterback for Texas A&I was Karl Douglas under Gil Steinke again. He was a black quarterback and was a draft choice by the Baltimore Colts the off season that Johnny Unitas and Earl Morrell were both released.

He made two pre season games and was just up and cut. He played in the CFL from that point forward. But wasn't really given much of a development or chance.

Management of quarterbacks was different then and was reflected by choices by Bill. Approach as well as leadership was just different during that period of time.

Sure, but would Jerry have made the choice? I could see Jerry realising the need if Romo hadn't made the team in 04 to choose Rodgers.

 

[CCBoy]

You will see

You wrong and off picture as usual. We are past excuse hunting to just satisfy slanted doubts. We already started the season and the stereotypes for change are still unchanged and unobservant as well. We are given here, no picture of football or team achievements but gloom and insult. That encourages little but convienience of glume for venting on a narrow causal base. Not on winning or playing well, but instead complaints for not always being competitive.

If anything puts in question the legion of gloom stance, that is merely insulted away. Out of sight...out of mind, huh?

 

[CCBoy]

Sure, but would Jerry have made the choice? I could see Jerry realising the need if Romo hadn't made the team in 04 to choose Rodgers.

The only quarterback that Jerry was thrilled about was from A&M and Stephen put his foot down against. Jerry stuck with his Head Coaches directions after initial dyes were cast.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Love me some Tuna.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The only quarterback that Jerry was thrilled about was from A&M and Stephen put his foot down against. Jerry stuck with his Head Coaches directions after initial dyes were cast.

Sure, and it's all hypothetical, but I can't help but wonder. Either way, it's amazing how the situation has come full circle.

 

[HungryLion]

Bill Parcells was also 65 going on 66.

McCarthy is now 60.

I do think age was also a factor for
Parcells. He was physically and mentally ready to retire.

Being a head coach is a crazy work schedule.

You’re working 80+ hour weeks. Late flights into the early hours of the morning. Always on call.

It’s brutal.

 

[gtb1943]

During his tenure, Parcells made a point of signing players who had played for him in the past, including Bledsoe, Terry Glenn (with the Patriots), Testaverde, cornerback Aaron Glenn, wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, and fullback Richie Anderson with the Jets. In 2005, the Cowboys went 9–7, missing the playoffs by one game.

Bobby Carpenter was his first round selection because he was the son of a former player Bill Parcells had previously liked and respected.

Bill had to have open heart surgery prior to eventually arriving with Jerry and the Cowboys.

BP had seen a lot of sons of former players do well in the NFL so that clearly was a factor; not so much it was one of his former players. If you look at the stats that is a solid way to look at draft picks/ Bobby Carpenter looked better than he was at OSU because he played next to a truly great college LB. He was chosen pretty much where the draft EXPERTS thought he would be.
Turned out he was soft; but NO ONE suspected that prior to the NFL.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Bill Parcells was also 65 going on 66.

McCarthy is now 60.

I do think age was also a factor for
Parcells. He was physically and mentally ready to retire.

Being a head coach is a crazy work schedule.

You’re working 80+ hour weeks. Late flights into the early hours of the morning. Always on call.

It’s brutal.

Sure, and I get that. I just think it's amazing what Parcells was able to do and what Mike McCarthy has been able to do.

 

[OGSixshooter]

During his tenure, Parcells made a point of signing players who had played for him in the past, including Bledsoe, Terry Glenn (with the Patriots), Testaverde, cornerback Aaron Glenn, wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, and fullback Richie Anderson with the Jets. In 2005, the Cowboys went 9–7, missing the playoffs by one game.

Bobby Carpenter was his first round selection because he was the son of a former player Bill Parcells had previously liked and respected.

Bill had to have open heart surgery prior to eventually arriving with Jerry and the Cowboys.

I didn't like that about Parcells either. Now I know what I love/hated him.