Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, one is mistaking Parcells for Johnson...

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I sure won't Parcells showed he could build a winning team wherever he went. Jimmy not so much.

 

[OGSixshooter]

I was posting in a different thread, and I realised something. I found an interesting comparison between Bill Parcells and Mike McCarthy. Both won their most recent Super Bowl about a decade prior to joining the Cowboys with a major rival of the Cowboys. Bill Parcells did it with the Giants in 1990 (hired in 2003 when I was 10), and Mike McCarthy did it in 2010 with the Packers (hired in 2020). Both coaches joined us when it became clear that Jerry was lost and needed a coach to turn around what a previous coaching disaster had done. Parcells turned us around from what Campo did (in fairness, not Campo's fault entirely considering what little he had to work with in his short tenure). Mike McCarthy has turned us around from the Garrett failure. They both changed the mentality of the team. They have both (in Mike's case, his combination with Quinn, has been wonderful) turned the Cowboys into legitimate contenders. The teams were and are poised to be contenders for a very long time.

I don't know how this board was in 2003, as I was about 10 years old at the time. However, I'm curious about the attitude that Parcells had around Cowboys fans. I say this because I think McCarthy is easily the best coach that we have had at HC since Parcells. He's set us up for long term success. We were pleading since Parcells for a proper coach. We have one. Look what he's been able to turn Garrett's team into. I hope Jerry is careful. After Parcells left, this team really should have won at least one Lombardi with what he left us. With what Mike and Dan Quinn have built, this team should win a Lombardi. I hope Jerry has learned the lesson after Parcells. I hope he keeps the two around long term. I think they can win us a title, as long as Jerry just lets them do their jobs. I trust what Mike McCarthy is doing, just as I think Cowboys fans trusted (as did I) Parcells.

I was around the board back then...in fact....that was probably the last time I was a member of the Zone.

Parcells was seen by some as a carpetbagger and by others as a savior. I live in the NY/NJ area, so I HATED that we got him given what he meant to the Giants. (I even tried to justify it by saying we got Landry from the Giants coaching staff but...). Deep down, I knew we needed him to temper Jerry. So I would say overall, people were split on Parcells and his QB selections (Bledsoe, Testaverde) and draft selections (Bobby Carpenter), but I think most appreciated that he was a stabilizing influence after 3 years of 5-11 and Dave freaking Campo.

Personally, and I hate to admit this too, I learned a TON about football watching his pressers. People take the access we have nowadays for granted. I learned football by playing and reading Joel Buschbaum, Mel Kiper, etc. You couldn't just turn on YouTube and get details on your team, the behind the scenes process, etc. Parcells gave valuable quotes that I use with son to this day: "All potential means is that you haven't done anything yet." "Confidence is born of demonstrated ability." When asked what he would change if he could go back in time: "I wouldn't focus on anything that didn't have to do with winning." There's a ton more. The old carpetbagger grew on me!!!

That said...I was definitely ready for him to go. Why was he sticking with Bledsoe?!? "I have seen a lot of young QBs ruined by being thrown to the wolves too early." He then inserts Romo. Well, I lost my mind because I wanted a 1st round talent...not a free agent scrapheap QB. You have to remember...this reeked of how he always devalued the QB position in NY with Simms, Hostetler, etc.

When he left, Wade Phillips took over and we went 13-3. I spent the better part of that season quoting Parcells - LOL - and telling everyone we would collapse due to Phillips laid back style. Sure enough we lost as the #1 seed.

Parcells fixed our scouting department and re-organized how the team was run structurally. Since Parcells left - generally speaking - the team has drafted much, much better. It started with The Tuna.

 

[OGSixshooter]

MM blows away parcells. Parcells was over the hill and outdated when he got here. Better team builder than coach. Terrible coach when he was here.

We disagree. We both disliked Tuna, but MM was gifted a HOF QB and then produce only ONE ring. Parcells had Simms (LOL) and Hostetler (LOL LOL).

Parcells coaching tree produced...among others...Bill Belichick. McCarthy...yeah.

This is not even a comparison. If you mean by tenures with the team, then I would have to give to MM, but then again, he benefited from the restructuring that Parcells did. No coach has had as much authority as Parcells when he got here...McCarthy takes the very good draft picks that he's handed by Will McClay and the team given to him by Garrett...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I was around the board back then...in fact....that was probably the last time I was a member of the Zone.

Parcells was seen by some as a carpetbagger and by others as a savior. I live in the NY/NJ area, so I HATED that we got him given what he meant to the Giants. (I even tried to justify it by saying we got Landry from the Giants coaching staff but...). Deep down, I knew we needed him to temper Jerry. So I would say overall, people were split on Parcells and his QB selections (Bledsoe, Testaverde) and draft selections (Bobby Carpenter), but I think most appreciated that he was a stabilizing influence after 3 years of 5-11 and Dave freaking Campo.

Personally, and I hate to admit this too, I learned a TON about football watching his pressers. People take the access we have nowadays for granted. I learned football by playing and reading Joel Buschbaum, Mel Kiper, etc. You couldn't just turn on YouTube and get details on your team, the behind the scenes process, etc. Parcells gave valuable quotes that I use with son to this day: "All potential means is that you haven't done anything yet." "Confidence is born of demonstrated ability." When asked what he would change if he could go back in time: "I wouldn't focus on anything that didn't have to do with winning." There's a ton more. The old carpetbagger grew on me!!!

That said...I was definitely ready for him to go. Why was he sticking with Bledsoe?!? "I have seen a lot of young QBs ruined by being thrown to the wolves too early." He then inserts Romo. Well, I lost my mind because I wanted a 1st round talent...not a free agent scrapheap QB. You have to remember...this reeked of how he always devalued the QB position in NY with Simms, Hostetler, etc.

When he left, Wade Phillips took over and we went 13-3. I spent the better part of that season quoting Parcells - LOL - and telling everyone we would collapse due to Phillips laid back style. Sure enough we lost as the #1 seed.

Parcells fixed our scouting department and re-organized how the team was run structurally. Since Parcells left - generally speaking - the team has drafted much, much better. It started with The Tuna.

That's a fascinating perspective. Parcells was someone that helped me learn football as well with the way he would explain football (when I'd watch what the media would say on ESPN when not watching Pokemon or playing on my GameCube, which I still use).

I suppose we can appreciate now why he did what he did at QB given what Romo became. I think it also says a lot, as stated, about his opinion of Romo that he didn't take Rodgers. Ironically, the two of them had some legendary battles with each other. And it's interesting how we now have the coach that developed Rodgers. Almost like that story just came full circle.

 

[gtb1943]

That's a fascinating perspective. Parcells was someone that helped me learn football as well with the way he would explain football (when I'd watch what the media would say on ESPN when not watching Pokemon or playing on my GameCube, which I still use).

I suppose we can appreciate now why he did what he did at QB given what Romo became. I think it also says a lot, as stated, about his opinion of Romo that he didn't take Rodgers. Ironically, the two of them had some legendary battles with each other. And it's interesting how we now have the coach that developed Rodgers. Almost like that story just came full circle.

BP's pressers were legendary. The way he schooled the reporters was hilarious. And like you I leaned a lot of football at the same time.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

BP's pressers were legendary. The way he schooled the reporters was hilarious. And like you I leaned a lot of football at the same time.

I still love the one where he says "you got sucked"

 

[OGSixshooter]

That's a fascinating perspective. Parcells was someone that helped me learn football as well with the way he would explain football (when I'd watch what the media would say on ESPN when not watching Pokemon or playing on my GameCube, which I still use).

I suppose we can appreciate now why he did what he did at QB given what Romo became. I think it also says a lot, as stated, about his opinion of Romo that he didn't take Rodgers. Ironically, the two of them had some legendary battles with each other. And it's interesting how we now have the coach that developed Rodgers. Almost like that story just came full circle.

More than you know!!! That's precisely why I dubbed him FF the first aka FFI. The f stand for "fat"...I'll let you figure out the rest.

Romo was OK, but he was no Rodgers. In fact the best way to describe Romo is a very,very poor man's Rodgers. He did hint about 2.5 years in that he was big on Romo. He let it slip once discussing the QB situation that "I've got a guy..." and everyone started trying to figure out which QB he was referring to. Obviously it was Romo, but personally, I would not have bet the farm on Romo due to 2 reasons: His fragile psyche early on and his pedigree affected his fragile psyche. Romo could BALL...but he was no Aaron Rodgers. I don't think A-Rod is a top 5 QB all-time...so this is not Rodgers worship.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

More than you know!!! That's precisely why I dubbed him FF the first aka FFI. The f stand for "fat"...I'll let you figure out the rest.

Romo was OK, but he was no Rodgers. In fact the best way to describe Romo is a very,very poor man's Rodgers. He did hint about 2.5 years in that he was big on Romo. He let it slip once discussing the QB situation that "I've got a guy..." and everyone started trying to figure out which QB he was referring to. Obviously it was Romo, but personally, I would not have bet the farm on Romo due to 2 reasons: His fragile psyche early on and his pedigree affected his fragile psyche. Romo could BALL...but he was no Aaron Rodgers. I don't think A-Rod is a top 5 QB all-time...so this is not Rodgers worship.

I get that, but I think it's amazing how things have worked with that. I guess Romo's psyche might have been fragile ATM when it came to football, but I think Parcells also saw in Romo a legit starter. I guess the two biggest questions are, what if Romo had another year or two with Bill? And what would've happened if we had drafted Aaron Rodgers?

 

[OGSixshooter]

I get that, but I think it's amazing how things have worked with that. I guess Romo's psyche might have been fragile ATM when it came to football, but I think Parcells also saw in Romo a legit starter. I guess the two biggest questions are, what if Romo had another year or two with Bill? And what would've happened if we had drafted Aaron Rodgers?

I think Romo needed Tuna like Favre needed Holmgren. Wade let "Tony do his thing" and we were 13-3, BUT Tony was no leader of men. If Tony threw an INT, not only was he not leading, he would be visibly sulking on the sideline by himself...the very opposite of providing leadership. I'll give Dak his props on leadership: I was not tripping AT ALL about what Jerry said regarding Dak's leadership...he was a DAY ONE LEADER OF MEN. His football skills...well, let's just say he's also no Rodgers but the only reason he was able to take over the locker room so easily is because Romo was not fully accessible to his team in that way.

Had we drafted Rodgers..."clouded his future is...". I think with Tuna and Rodgers talent that would have been deadly. If Tuna got Quincy to the playoffs, he could have no doubt gotten Rodgers to the SB. And the NFC was historically weak during that time. It was there for the taking.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think Romo needed Tuna like Favre needed Holmgren. Wade let "Tony do his thing" and we were 13-3, BUT Tony was no leader of men. If Tony threw an INT, not only was he not leading, he would be visibly sulking on the sideline by himself...the very opposite of providing leadership. I'll give Dak his props on leadership: I was not tripping AT ALL about what Jerry said regarding Dak's leadership...he was a DAY ONE LEADER OF MEN. His football skills...well, let's just say he's also no Rodgers but the only reason he was able to take over the locker room so easily is because Romo was not fully accessible to his team in that way.

Had we drafted Rodgers..."clouded his future is...". I think with Tuna and Rodgers talent that would have been deadly. If Tuna got Quincy to the playoffs, he could have no doubt gotten Rodgers to the SB. And the NFC was historically weak during that time. It was there for the taking.

That and it'd have made for an interesting Super Bowl. We could've had a young Aaron Rodgers with Bill Parcells against a prime Brady and Belichick.

 

[Whyjerry]

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Fresh air will help. Give it a shot.

 

[Whyjerry]

Hopefully, Jerry has learned his lesson. Mike is doing a great job. We just need him to keep doing what he is doing to build this team.

I think Jerry is getting too old to be troublesome. McClay and the scouting team have really stepped up the last couple years. They are hitting on UFAs and late rounders. Bland might be a pro bowler someday. McCarthy is clearing leading a talented staff. No yes men looking to scratch Jerry’s back.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I think Jerry is getting too old to be troublesome. McClay and the scouting team have really stepped up the last couple years. They are hitting on UFAs and late rounders. Bland might be a pro bowler someday. McCarthy is clearing leading a talented staff. No yes men looking to scratch Jerry’s back.

Exactly, and I think we are looking like real challengers for a long time with how well the team has been built.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think Clint Storner and Ryan Leaf would beg to differ. Carter was bad, but it wasn't like there was a huge amount of other options. Perhaps he could've gone a different direction, but who does he go with that year? The FA class wasn't good, as far as I remember. I think, given what I just laid out, that Parcells played the hand he was dealt well. Maybe we could've tanked in 2003? If that happened, maybe we end up with Eli Manning or Big Ben. However, maybe they were trying to tank in 03, ans the team happened to end up surprising everyone. Either way, things played out the way they did. The point is, I think Parcells felt he could work with Carter, until he failed his drug test. I think the fact we passed up, the following year, on Rodgers in favour of Romo tells you what the plan seemed to switch to when Carter failed.

If you try to defend carter lets just move on. He sucked bad.

there is no defending how bad he was.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Perhaps, but if we are talking about developing a QB, which he did with Romo, if the timeline instead was that Carter passed his test, perhaps we end up with Rodgers the following year as someone Parcells would try to develop. I'm just curious how that timeline would have played out.

If he ditches carter immediately. But he didnt. Qbs were just another position for him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We disagree. We both disliked Tuna, but MM was gifted a HOF QB and then produce only ONE ring. Parcells had Simms (LOL) and Hostetler (LOL LOL).

Parcells coaching tree produced...among others...Bill Belichick. McCarthy...yeah.

This is not even a comparison. If you mean by tenures with the team, then I would have to give to MM, but then again, he benefited from the restructuring that Parcells did. No coach has had as much authority as Parcells when he got here...McCarthy takes the very good draft picks that he's handed by Will McClay and the team given to him by Garrett...

The topic is parcells as coach here and MM as coach here.

MM all day

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

If you try to defend carter lets just move on. He sucked bad.

there is no defending how bad he was.

I'm not defending Carter. I'm just saying that Storner and Ryan Leaf were a bit worse. But not by much lol

 

[OGSixshooter]

The topic is parcells as coach here and MM as coach here.

MM all day

MM had everything handed to him. Parcells had to start from 5-11 mess that Dave Campo left him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

MM had everything handed to him. Parcells had to start from 5-11 mess that Dave Campo left him.

Still not seeing your point.
MM all day. He is the better coach while here. MM also runs his own offense and its not romper room 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

MM knows what a real QB is. Parcells never figured that out.

 

[Majic]

The first thing parcells shoulda done when he got here was evaluate how bad carter was and got rid of him. Made the decision to go in another direction.

Once he failed to do that his tenure here was doomed.

Quincy carter was the worst qb i have ever seen. Bar none!

That's exactly what he did do