Bill Parcells get a pass if...

[Trip]

There's a difference in "not even possible" to now what has become what you assume a coach/G.M. would do to get a franchise RB. You lost that one, rookie.

You couldn't belittle Jimmy's accomplishments if you tried, which you've been doing since you entered this thread.

I sincerely hope Parcells produces a playoff winner for us, and when he does leave, we're comparing his playoff totals to Jimmy, and not Campo. And I mean that.

Until then, it's perfectly within my right to be critical of him, just like it's within yours to look at everything positive and ignore the failures and potential pitfalls down the road.

You're an optimistic Cowboys fan and I respect that. I mean that too.

It is nice to be thinking playoffs, entering the last game of the season.

Good night.

 

[Sarge]

If he retires, a 'pass' is irrelevant.

 

[wxcpo]

I'm still not sure he needs a pass. The man has completely rebuilt a team that was much worse than many people realize. He has a very young and talented defense that has shown a lot of grit in learning a new scheme. He's had a fairly effective offense, all things considered.

I know there are a lot of fans that think they could do his job better (and that's just part of the game), but I think he's done a heck of a job with this team - whether they get into the playoffs or not.

I have read alot about how Bill completely rebuilt this team. He has added a few pieces, but in no way has he completely 'rebuilt" this team. Many of the pieces that he inherited in 2003 remain as starters to this day. Also remember that 2003 defense was ranked #1 at season's end so I'd say that he inherited a pretty good defensive unit. He has certainly upgraded the secondary since his arrival, but only marginally. The fact that he hasn't replaced Darren Woodson is a glaring weakness for this team that needs to be addressed in the offseason.

In the offense he replaced QC with Bledsoe without improving the offensive line, so I'd argue we're really only marginally better at QB. At RB he has improved us, but JJ must stay healthy for him to be of any real improvement over Hambrick. WR he replaced Galloway with KJ, I'd say that's an equal tradeoff. TE, well big improvement there.

Where BP hasn't done the job is along the offensive line and with an immobile, statue for a QB not improving your offensive line or bringing in backups in case of injury is what we got this year.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

In the offense he replaced QC with Bledsoe without improving the offensive line, so I'd argue we're really only marginally better at QB. At RB he has improved us, but JJ must stay healthy for him to be of any real improvement over Hambrick. WR he replaced Galloway with KJ, I'd say that's an equal tradeoff. TE, well big improvement there.

Where BP hasn't done the job is along the offensive line and with an immobile, statue for a QB not improving your offensive line or bringing in backups in case of injury is what we got this year.

I publicly stated when Big Bill became the coach that I had a feeling that once he was done, the QB position would still be up in the air as much as it was when Aikman retired.

Something must be done about this situation.

 

[jterrell]

BP doesn't need a pass.
He is a hall of fame coach that has improved the team both now and going forward.

A 10 win season with a tough schedule is nothing to scoff at.

Just because he doesn't buy beers for the local media so he gets second guessed unlike Jimmy doesn't mean he is any less genius when it comes to coaching.

As to the conservative knock. Well, lol, playing an opened up game is why we have that 28 point loss. The "experts" got what they wanted and look how that turned out.

We have lost all of 1 game by more than a TD. Not a bad showing this year at all.

 

[wxcpo]

I publicly stated when Big Bill became the coach that I had a feeling that once he was done, the QB position would still be up in the air as much as it was when Aikman retired.

Something must be done about this situation.

Agreed, bringing in two aging vets isn't preparing this team for the future. I am hoping that either Henson or Romo is the answer for the future, but what reason do we have to even think either of them are.

 

[jterrell]

I publicly stated when Big Bill became the coach that I had a feeling that once he was done, the QB position would still be up in the air as much as it was when Aikman retired.

Something must be done about this situation.

Something was done. We signed a former Pro Bowler and he has been just under Pro Bowl level this year. He's 33 so has a couple of good years left. We have two backups with the potential to be starters down the line.

Kill the obsession man its not healthy.
We aren't drafting Lienart and minus a top overall pick you have little shot at a true franchise QB. Thats how Cincy got Palmer, the Giants got Eli(via forced trade), the Colts got Manning.

 

[wxcpo]

As to the conservative knock. Well, lol, playing an opened up game is why we have that 28 point loss. The "experts" got what they wanted and look how that turned out.

No if you really would have watched that game, we got that 28 point loss because this team didn't come very well prepapred and the offensive line couldn't block.

 

[jterrell]

Agreed, bringing in two aging vets isn't preparing this team for the future. I am hoping that either Henson or Romo is the answer for the future, but what reason do we have to even think either of them are.

Amazingly the last two places BP left, NE and the Jets both had franchise guys. Pennington drafted in round 1 was injured and now they have nothing. In NE where they felt Bledsoe was a franchise guy they ended up with a guy no more highly thought of than Tony Romo before he played NFL games.

I'm sure some NE fan was calling for a young franchise QB in NE with Bledsoe getting knocked around and Brady being a no name 5th rounder.

 

[wileedog]

I have read alot about how Bill completely rebuilt this team. He has added a few pieces, but in no way has he completely 'rebuilt" this team. Many of the pieces that he inherited in 2003 remain as starters to this day.

Dat
Ellis
Glover
Roy
Singleton
Allen
Flo

Those are the only guys on the whole TEAM who remain from Campo's days. ANd Dat, Singleton and possibly GLover won't be here next year either.

Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Also remember that 2003 defense was ranked #1 at season's end so I'd say that he inherited a pretty good defensive unit.

Virtually that same defense was a horror show in 2004. 2003 was a mirage.

And again almost all of those guys are gone or not playing now.

He has certainly upgraded the secondary since his arrival, but only marginally.

Yeah, I miss the days of Goodrich, Ross and Larrimore too.

In the offense he replaced QC with Bledsoe without improving the offensive line, so I'd argue we're really only marginally better at QB.

Bledsoe is more than 'marginally' better then Quincy.

At RB he has improved us, but JJ must stay healthy for him to be of any real improvement over Hambrick.

Barber is a huge improvement to Hambrick and he's our 3rd down back.

Where BP hasn't done the job is along the offensive line and with an immobile, statue for a QB not improving your offensive line or bringing in backups in case of injury is what we got this year.

Agreed on the offensive line.

The rest of your post is complete revisionist history with almost no basis in fact.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

BP doesn't need a pass.
He is a hall of fame coach that has improved the team both now and going forward.

A 10 win season with a tough schedule is nothing to scoff at.

Just because he doesn't buy beers for the local media so he gets second guessed unlike Jimmy doesn't mean he is any less genius when it comes to coaching.

As to the conservative knock. Well, lol, playing an opened up game is why we have that 28 point loss. The "experts" got what they wanted and look how that turned out.

We have lost all of 1 game by more than a TD. Not a bad showing this year at all.

Well...let's backup for a second here and get on the same page as far as what we are talking about.

Are we just talking about whethere 2005 was a successful season or are we saying has Parcells' tenure here been successful? Two totally different animals.

IMO, I think if we are soley talking about 2005, I cant see how it is a successful seasons.

(Assuming we dont make it to the big dance)

Again, we have seen this old dog not get into the playoffs and sitting at home on the couch forced to root for whatever team is playing the Eagles or Commanders.

As I have stated, when Parcells first met with the players on the 2003 roster, he said his words were, "GET YOUR EXPECTATIONS UP"!!

Well...Big Bill..my expectations are up just as you commanded and I want to see this old dog (the team not Bill) do a new trick and get into the playoffs and be competitive.

If we miss the playoffs, nothing has changed with regards to how our seasons have ended 5 out of the last 6 Seasons or so.

Overall, one would be a fool to say nothing has changed, but looking at the Micro-view of our results season to seasons, I cant say it is a success.

Do you guys really think Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells (the two dudes that really matter) will think this season is a success if we miss the playoffs? Heck no, I bet when this team went 7-3, both their expectations rose.

 

[Zaxor]

Regardless if we make the playoffs or not Bill has help to bring some solid talent on this team and we are a lot futher along than we were before he got here. You can give him a pass or not that is your deal for me this is not about just this season but the direction this team is heading in.

This team seems to be pretty old at QB, WR, OG, that is 5 positions... do you believe we will see a change next year in any of those 5 positions? if so who? Do you believe any of those people in those positions will be getting better next year? if so who? Do you see any realistic contingency plans for those 5 positions? If so who?

 

[jterrell]

No if you really would have watched that game, we got that 28 point loss because this team didn't come very well prepapred and the offensive line couldn't block.

We tried to block with 5 or 6 as opposed to the max protection we had been using all year. That was why the QB repeatedly got hit inside of 3 seconds.

We did play poorly all the way around but that was simply a bad offensive game plan that gave no help to Tucker or Petitti and both were beaten all day. We also couldn't run block at all with so many guys committed to passing patterns and playing on the wings.

The Carolina game was brutally conservative yet we got a win.

Anyone looking at this team's personnel and not playing a conversative game plan is truly lacking any football sense at all.

When you get down big early it always looks like you weren't prepared and game plan is the biggest reason why. In game 1 versus Washington we played it close to the vest and were up 13-0 so it seemed a good idea I guess to open it up and not allow a comeback. Well the great attacking gameplan insured a comeback wasn't necessary.

 

[Zaxor]

Bill did inherit a bad team.....but considering the circumstances.....he had no where to go but up.

I firmly believe there are alot of NFL head coaches that would of accomplished as much wins as Bill did here.

He has been given full power.....cap space and high draft picks...Even though I never liked Campo as a coach....he was given none of these....Jerry wasted 2 first rounders on Galloway and we were in cap hell.

I think Bill has done a solid job......but I expected better in his 3rd year here....Bill has also missed on draft picks. His lastest one could be great but we don't know yet and probally won't till for a few more years.

I think Bill's best move was bringing in Ireland.

On offence we have Witten and Julius Jones.....Witten has proven he is a gem of a player....questions still loom for Julius. Other then that what do we have on offence? Adams? he is solid and Crayton who will never be a #1 WR.

The NFC East will be tougher next year.....not easier....The Eagles will still be the team to beat and the Giants will get better because Manning will get better. This team could easilty go 8-8 next year.

BTW....what will we say if we lay a egg against the Rams with a playoff spot on the line?.....but then again....we can also make it to the championship game.

Well put...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Something was done. We signed a former Pro Bowler and he has been just under Pro Bowl level this year. He's 33 so has a couple of good years left. We have two backups with the potential to be starters down the line.

Kill the obsession man its not healthy.
We aren't drafting Lienart and minus a top overall pick you have little shot at a true franchise QB. Thats how Cincy got Palmer, the Giants got Eli(via forced trade), the Colts got Manning.

The obsession will NEVER EVER die.

I am envious of the Patriots, Eagles, Bengals, Giants, Jags, Colts, Steelers, Bears, Tampa's, Falcons, and Minnesota's of the world.

You dont have to have a high pick to get a franchise QB, you have to have a compotent Scouting Department, a heach coach with an eye for talent and franchise willing to draft one.

Constantly being told Quincy, Wright, Leaf, Hutch, Vinny, Henson, Romo, Banks etc etc has potential for seemingly forever and then starting to buy into it is like beating your head against a brick wall.

You keep beating your head against the wall...after a while its seem very normal and actually starts to feel good.

Trying to get a QB on the cheap...

This is the road we take...when trying to get a QB..drafting baseball players, guys from really small schools, reaching for a 5th rounder in the 2nd round and bringing in old QBs..

This is the road most other teams take....

It's all about the QB

 

[jterrell]

Well...let's backup for a second here and get on the same page as far as what we are talking about.

Are we just talking about whethere 2005 was a successful season or are we saying has Parcells' tenure here been successful? Two totally different animals.

IMO, I think if we are soley talking about 2005, I cant see how it is a successful seasons.

(Assuming we dont make it to the big dance)

Again, we have seen this old dog not get into the playoffs and sitting at home on the couch forced to root for whatever team is playing the Eagles or Commanders.

As I have stated, when Parcells first met with the players on the 2003 roster, he said his words were, "GET YOUR EXPECTATIONS UP"!!

Well...Big Bill..my expectations are up just as you commanded and I want to see this old dog (the team not Bill) do a new trick and get into the playoffs and be competitive.

If we miss the playoffs, nothing has changed with regards to how our seasons have ended 5 out of the last 6 Seasons or so.

Overall, one would be a fool to say nothing has changed, but looking at the Micro-view of our results season to seasons, I cant say it is a success.

Do you guys really think Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells (the two dudes that really matter) will think this season is a success if we miss the playoffs? Heck no, I bet when this team went 7-3, both their expectations rose.

So a 4 game improvement isn't improving?
If you hinge the season's success on others teams losing that is your fault.

I don't.
Dallas is a much better team than when Bill arrived and they are looking a double digit win season for the 2nd time in 3 years under Bill after having won no more than 9 games since 1995.

THAT IS IMPROVEMENT FOR CHRISSAKES.

If we miss the playoffs with 10 wins it will the first time that has happened to a team since 1991. That means its bad luck not sucky play.

This team has suffered some injuries and played a tough schedule. 10 wins was a very solid result.

How many games did you pick us to win entering the season Mike?

 

[Zaxor]

Well...let's backup for a second here and get on the same page as far as what we are talking about.

Are we just talking about whethere 2005 was a successful season or are we saying has Parcells' tenure here been successful? Two totally different animals.

IMO, I think if we are soley talking about 2005, I cant see how it is a successful seasons.

(Assuming we dont make it to the big dance)

Again, we have seen this old dog not get into the playoffs and sitting at home on the couch forced to root for whatever team is playing the Eagles or Commanders.

As I have stated, when Parcells first met with the players on the 2003 roster, he said his words were, "GET YOUR EXPECTATIONS UP"!!

Well...Big Bill..my expectations are up just as you commanded and I want to see this old dog (the team not Bill) do a new trick and get into the playoffs and be competitive.

If we miss the playoffs, nothing has changed with regards to how our seasons have ended 5 out of the last 6 Seasons or so.

Overall, one would be a fool to say nothing has changed, but looking at the Micro-view of our results season to seasons, I cant say it is a success.

Do you guys really think Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells (the two dudes that really matter) will think this season is a success if we miss the playoffs? Heck no, I bet when this team went 7-3, both their expectations rose.

Well said.

 

[Zaxor]

So a 4 game improvement isn't improving?
If you hinge the season's success on others teams losing that is your fault.

I don't.
Dallas is a much better team than when Bill arrived and they are looking a double digit win season for the 2nd time in 3 years under Bill after having won no more than 9 games since 1995.

THAT IS IMPROVEMENT FOR CHRISSAKES.

If we miss the playoffs with 10 wins it will the first time that has happened to a team since 1991. That means its bad luck not sucky play.

This team has suffered some injuries and played a tough schedule. 10 wins was a very solid result.

How many games did you pick us to win entering the season Mike?

would you call last year's losing 4 more games a decline than?

just wondering if you are gonna call it the same way?

 

[Doomsday101]

This team seems to be pretty old at QB, WR, OG, that is 5 positions... do you believe we will see a change next year in any of those 5 positions? if so who? Do you believe any of those people in those positions will be getting better next year? if so who? Do you see any realistic contingency plans for those 5 positions? If so who?

I think Bledsoe will be here as for WR and OG I think Dallas will address and add to these positions. Last year Dallas made many changes on defense and as Bill said you can't address everything in 1 off-season. I think this off-season Dallas will look a bit more at revamping the offense. I also think on offense that Dallas does have several players who have only 3 year or less in the NFL. I don't think things are bad on the contrary I think this team will steadily improve. I guess I just have a bit more patients and others.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

So a 4 game improvement isn't improving?
If you hinge the season's success on others teams losing that is your fault.

I don't.
Dallas is a much better team than when Bill arrived and they are looking a double digit win season for the 2nd time in 3 years under Bill after having won no more than 9 games since 1995.

THAT IS IMPROVEMENT FOR CHRISSAKES.

If we miss the playoffs with 10 wins it will the first time that has happened to a team since 1991. That means its bad luck not sucky play.

This team has suffered some injuries and played a tough schedule. 10 wins was a very solid result.

How many games did you pick us to win entering the season Mike?

Wrong...it happened to the Miami Dolphins in 2003.

Again, this team was in the playoffs 2 years ago with lesser talent.

This team had all the talent in the world for it to not be in the playoffs. We went toe-to-toe with some heavweights.

Sorry sir, when evaluating a particular season, it is mainly about did you get into the big dance or not. This team should have been in at least the 1st round of the playoffs and it still could happen. If it is not, then it is no different then some of the other seasons we had.

Go ahead and beat your chest about 4 extra victories....

I am a naive fan that did what the Head Coach told everyone to do "Get your expectations up". I did.

- Mike G.