Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[Kilyin]

Go for it. I don't believe anyone said Parcells never barked at Owens on the sideline. I do remember a case being made that Owens received preferential treatment while here - and that is clearly true.

Damn you for making me dig through 10 pages to find this.. even with ctrl-F.

Here you go..

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2107001&postcount=246

Parcells didn't treat his players all the same. Terrell Owens didn't show up for any offseason work when he signed with the Cowboys because he had "personal matters". Everyone else on the team attended. Terrell Owens got to ride a bike all training camp and pose for cameras in his constumes, even though he was running and catching routes seemingly full speed after practice. An undrafted free agent wouldn't have gotten away with that. He led the NFL in dropped passes, including a couple of game winners, but Parcells didn't bark at him one the way to the sidelines the way he would have barked at Patrick Crayton for the same screw ups.

 

[InmanRoshi]

your missing the point. testaverde was a guy that parcells brought in as his guy. he was one of the legion of suck. had we not brought in one of his guys perhaps they wouldnt have sucked.

really of all the people he brought in the only one that didnt suck was Anderson who was quite good actually.

even Glenn was awful. he gave up those two Moss TDs in that Wash game and was consisntently getting beat if not for sniffing on slants 4 times a year.

Im not saying that he wasn't good for the team. he brought in a work ethic that this team needed but he was unable to adjust to the modern game and his personell decisions were plain bad.

So Testeverde played worse than hypothetical, no name? Yep, it's hard to argue with that.


According to Football Outsiders, the Cowboys led the league in yards per rushing attempt between the tackles while Fergie was manning the nose.

And to paraphrase a football genius, did you enjoy those two Terry Glenn 1,000 yard seasons? I sure hope you did. I sure hope you did very much.

And Keyshawn averaged around 80 catches for 900 yards, 6 TDs for the two seasons he played with the Cowboys, which wasn't bad at all compared to what we were paying him. We certainly could use one of those seasons from our #2 this year.

And we got a multiple year starting right tackle off the free agent dumpheap for vet minimum.

And we got a multiple year starting guard in Kosier for a song, compared to the 20+ million guaranteed starting guards are getting in free agency today.

But that's the funny thing about Parcells bashers ... its always Marco Rivera that was the "Parcells Guy", never Marc Colombo.

 

[Hostile]

Pedigree I believe was the word so many used.

No, mostly just me.

 

[Kilyin]

btw, just a heads up, the 77 Cowboys America's Game is on now, they don't show this one much.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe he brought in the VTs of the world to set the tone for the work ethic needed. Campo and switzer sure didn't have it.
You have to set examples for the young guys.

What ever it was it worked.

And maybe he liked to play scrabble and make out with him.

making stuff up is FUN!!!!

 

[superpunk]

From after we released Carter...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E2DA153CF936A3575BC0A9629C8B63

''He'll do his very best to monitor and help Henson and Romo,'' Parcells said of Testaverde. ''He knows why he's here and what his job is, but right now that's the most experienced player I have. And I'm confident in that player. We're going to have to alter some things in terms of strategy and tailor some things that are more suited for a classic drop-back passer.''

.....

''I thought a little tread was left on that tire,'' Parcells said yesterday. ''I don't know if it might flop off tomorrow. I doubt it. He's got a great work ethic. It doesn't make any difference how concerned I am about that now. That's the way it is.''

After Romo's first start

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=AB4CF2BE-C84C-118C-762707D69D4B8BF3

Both Parcells and Romo have said this week that former Cowboys quarterback Vinny Testaverde, who started 15 games during the 2004 season, was a good influence on Romo, showing the young quarterback how to meticulously prepare and study for each game.

"Having Testaverde was very, very beneficial to Tony Romo because it showed him how a pro behaves," Parcells said. "His work ethic, his weight room training, his meticulousness in preparation - those are valuable. If you don't have a good role model . . . somebody has to show you what to do. You can't be out there on your own."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25636&highlight=DeMarcus+Ware+Lawrence+Taylor

Demarcus Ware has a lot to live up to.

An hour after he was the Cowboys' first pick, his new coach, Bill Parcells had compared him to Lawrence Taylor and Willie McGinest. Later, owner and general manager Jerry Jones mentioned Charles Haley's name a few times.

Actually Parcells 3-4 there is little done to protect the LBers and that was a big part of the problem. They are supposed to man up over the tackles. This gives the guards free shots at the LBers.

Parcells' 3-4 is a 2-gap, meaning the 3-down linemen have 2 gap assignments, they're supposed to plug up the line and make a push to create gaps for the rushers to get into

there is none of this freeing up the LBers the LBers are supposed to be physical enough to hold the point of attack against offensive guards. this worked twonty years ago before guards started weighing 30 pounds heavier.

What the Parcells 3-4 does almost completely depend on is the pass rush from the OLB who are up on the line to begin with so your nonsense about 2 gap DL protecting ILB is just more spewing tripe from you.

In Wade Phillips scheme he shades his linemen over the shoulders of the blockers which actually does force double teams and protects the LBers. thats why youll here Stewart talk about Dlinemen only taking on half a block

Any other 'analysis' you have for us summer?

the linemen line up on the outside shoulder to shoot the gap, unlike in Parcells' 2-gap where only the LBs shoot the gaps made by the 3-down linemen

He compared the two that does not mean he thought they were the same. He never said we have another Taylor he just sadi there were similarities. He did however see Spears as the total proven package.

of course Parcells isn't saying that Ware will be another LT, it's impossible for anyone to be the exact replica of a player, just he has that potential for greatness, hence the LT comparison

nothing was pointed to greatness when ever talking about Spears

You can find nowhere that Parcells said he picked for need. You just misunderstand a scheme and then stretch him saying there are similarities to a HoF.

I understand the scheme very well, and from Spears' own mouth, him and the rest of his linemates were the grinders basically

Is it unreasonable to think Parcells might prefer a larger player that is more proven? Before an small school unknown with measurables?

Give me a break.

it's more reasonable to think that Parcells preferred a larger player because that's what his scheme called for

 

[Bob Sacamano]

More revisionist history..

None of those players you listed were "Parcells guys", except for Fabini. Starting for the Deadskins isn't exactly a ringing endorsement either, especially when you consider their OL was decimated with injuries last year. A more accurate list would be Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde, Adrian Murrell, Dedrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Keyshawn Johnson, Rob Pettiti, and I'm sure there're more. Tell me, where are those guys at now?

Fabini was brought in to fill the LG spot vacated by Derrick Dockery

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And maybe he liked to play scrabble and make out with him.

making stuff up is FUN!!!!

Whats made up? If you need to instill a work ethic into a young team you bring in players that know what you want. You bring in hard workers that know how to win. I guess we should have brought in more Quincy Carters.
That would have worked out great.

 

[Kilyin]

Fabini was brought in to fill the LG spot vacated by Derrick Dockery

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091902514.html

Fabini, a longtime tackle with the New York Jets, was thrust into the starting lineup Monday against Philadelphia when right guard Randy Thomas tore his triceps. He continued to practice with the first unit yesterday while Thomas underwent surgery, and the team brought in veteran guards Keydrick Vincent and Rick DeMulling for tryouts and physicals, seeking depth for a unit that had already lost starting right tackle Jon Jansen for the season in the first game. After personnel meetings last night, the Commanders decided to sign DeMulling.

 

[Alexander]

They're just walking on eggshells...for a coach they no longer play for.

:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091902514.html

Fabini, a longtime tackle with the New York Jets, was thrust into the starting lineup Monday against Philadelphia when right guard Randy Thomas tore his triceps. He continued to practice with the first unit yesterday while Thomas underwent surgery, and the team brought in veteran guards Keydrick Vincent and Rick DeMulling for tryouts and physicals, seeking depth for a unit that had already lost starting right tackle Jon Jansen for the season in the first game. After personnel meetings last night, the Commanders decided to sign DeMulling.

my mistake

although there's this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601641.html


He has played the majority of his career at tackle, but likely will see time at guard after the Commanders lost left guard Derrick Dockery to free agency.

Earlier this month, the Commanders re-signed right tackle Todd Wade, who also is expected to compete for time at left guard as well as back up right tackle Jon Jansen

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Parcells' 3-4 is a 2-gap, meaning the 3-down linemen have 2 gap assignments, they're supposed to plug up the line and make a push to create gaps for the rushers to get into



the linemen line up on the outside shoulder to shoot the gap, unlike in Parcells' 2-gap where only the LBs shoot the gaps made by the 3-down linemen




of course Parcells isn't saying that Ware will be another LT, it's impossible for anyone to be the exact replica of a player, just he has that potential for greatness, hence the LT comparison

nothing was pointed to greatness when ever talking about Spears



I understand the scheme very well, and from Spears' own mouth, him and the rest of his linemates were pluggers basically



it's more reasonable to think that Parcells preferred a larger player because that's what his scheme called for

Dude youre just wrong. that was why James so ineffective in the second half of 2006 because Parcells scheme allowed guards to get a free release. Thats what 2 gap means: you line up aginst one man and try to control the gap on both sides of him.

if you recall the second Eagles game in 2006 Shawn Andrews got free release off the line and destroyed james over and over again. that was Parcells scheme you man up one on one and beat your man.

Also you are supposed to hold the point of attack. Getting upfield opens up running lanes.

The LBers also didnt shoot the gaps, the whole scheme was based on not trying to get upfield until you 'read and reacted' OLB came off the edge but Parcells hated to blitz.

Youre wrong just deal with it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I also want to say that i dont feel that Parcells was overall bad for this franchise. i agree that he instilled a work ethic on this team that was sorely needed. Really the main issues i had with him was in the draft and his intractability to new ideas.

We saw in the Colts game how we could do if he would relax that grip but he only ever did it when his back was against the wall.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Dude youre just wrong. that was why James so ineffective in the second half of 2006 because Parcells scheme allowed guards to get a free release. Thats what 2 gap means: you line up aginst one man and try to control the gap on both sides of him.

2 gap means you have 2 gap assignments, all 3 linemen are supposed to hold up the 5 offensive lineman

it's textbook, pal

if you recall the second Eagles game in 2006 Shawn Andrews got free release off the line and destroyed james over and over again. that was Parcells scheme you man up one on one and beat your man.

that was because he beat someone on the line's gap responsibility

Also you are supposed to hold the point of attack.

not disputing that

Getting upfield opens up running lanes.

The LBers also didnt shoot the gaps, the whole scheme was based on not trying to get upfield until you 'read and reacted' OLB came off the edge but Parcells hated to blitz.

Youre wrong just deal with it.

:laugh2: how are the LBs supposed to be reading and reacting again? because the 3-down linemen have 2-gap responsibilities! the down linemen are supposed to hold the line so the LBs can make plays, that's why it's different from a 1-gap scheme, and why Parcells wanted Spears over Ware

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I also want to say that i dont feel that Parcells was overall bad for this franchise. i agree that he instilled a work ethic on this team that was sorely needed. Really the main issues i had with him was in the draft and his intractability to new ideas.

We saw in the Colts game how we could do if he would relax that grip but he only ever did it when his back was against the wall.

This is Dallas though at the end of the day only the championship matters and if you don't get em for us you don't matter even if you do get em for us jerry still might not care.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football_strategy

Some 3-4 teams (such as the New England Patriots) use the three down linemen primarily to occupy the offensive linemen. In such systems the defensive linemen are assigned two gaps to defend. NT is responsible for defending plays which occur in the spaces, or gaps, between the center and guards. Each of those spaces is called an A gap. Flanking NT, DEs defend the gaps on either side of the tackle he lines up across from. Each guard-tackle gap is a B gap and the space outside each tackle is called a C gap.


To be effective, 3-4 linebackers need their defensive line to routinely tie up a minimum of four (preferably all five) offensive linemen, freeing them to make tackles

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

2 gap means you have 2 gap assignments, all 3 linemen are supposed to hold up the 5 offensive lineman

it's textbook, pal



that was because he beat someone on the line's gap responsibility



not disputing that



:laugh2: how are the LBs supposed to be reading and reacting again? because the 3-down linemen have 2-gap responsibilities! the down linemen are supposed to hold the line so the LBs can make plays, that's why it's different from a 1-gap scheme, and why Parcells wanted Spears over Ware

From Joel Buschbaum

Q: What is the difference between a two-gap defense and a one-gap defense?

Buchsbaum: In a two-gap defense, the defensive linemen are generally responsible for two gaps, which means they have to be bigger, stronger men who play the run better. In a one-gap scheme, a player is just responsible for one gap. Thus, he can be a lighter, quicker defensive lineman who is blowing into the backfield more often. In a two-gap, the lineman’s first responsibility is to play the run, and he is responsible for two entire gaps. For example, a defensive tackle would be responsible for the gap on either side of the guard across from him. In the two-gap, a defender will play head-up on (directly across from) an offensive lineman so that it is easier for him to get to and cover either gap.

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_2000/football101_061300.asp

You are completely without a clue.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

From Joel Buschbaum



http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_2000/football101_061300.asp

You are completely without a clue.

Q: What is the difference between a two-gap defense and a one-gap defense?

Buchsbaum: In a two-gap defense, the defensive linemen are generally responsible for two gaps, which means they have to be bigger, stronger men who play the run better. In a one-gap scheme, a player is just responsible for one gap. Thus, he can be a lighter, quicker defensive lineman who is blowing into the backfield more often. In a two-gap, the lineman’s first responsibility is to play the run, and he is responsible for two entire gaps. For example, a defensive tackle would be responsible for the gap on either side of the guard across from him. In the two-gap, a defender will play head-up on (directly across from) an offensive lineman so that it is easier for him to get to and cover either gap.




how is that any different than what I've been saying?? sometimes I wonder about you

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football_strategy

Some 3-4 teams (such as the New England Patriots) use the three down linemen primarily to occupy the offensive linemen. In such systems the defensive linemen are assigned two gaps to defend. NT is responsible for defending plays which occur in the spaces, or gaps, between the center and guards. Each of those spaces is called an A gap. Flanking NT, DEs defend the gaps on either side of the tackle he lines up across from. Each guard-tackle gap is a B gap and the space outside each tackle is called a C gap.


To be effective, 3-4 linebackers need their defensive line to routinely tie up a minimum of four (preferably all five) offensive linemen, freeing them to make tackles

How do you think they cover the gap on each side of the tackle? By maninng up on him. It didnt say the gaps on the outside of the guard too.