Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[Bob Sacamano]

Dear god youre irritating.

If Jerry makes all the picks then rationalize how Jerry got outvoted concerning trading up for Henry versus standing pat for Bennett.

Jerry makes all the decisions

that's what he's been claiming

nd I am not playing martyr. Arguing with you is akin to arguing with a 14 year old.

stop, you're giving insults a bad name

At this point you are more interested in trying to show me wrong in something than anything else.

not really, as I don't care about you

it's an Internet message board, get that through your head

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jerry makes all the decisions

that's what he's been claiming



stop, you're giving insults a bad name



not really, as I don't care about you

it's an Internet message board, get that through your head

Im not hearing a rationalization. What i hear is an unsubstantiated assertion that contradicts your original statement that the Cowboys use a committee approach.

Jones said he wanted to trade up but Stephen told him to go eat lunch. that doesn't jive at all, summer.

Keep trying though, summer. Its funny in a sad way watching you clutch and grasp.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Im not hearing a rationalization. What i hear is an unsubstantiated assertion that contradicts your original statement that the Cowboys use a committee approach.

:laugh2: it's from Jerry's own mouth, 'tard

 

[superpunk]

Bill Parcells

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2: it's from Jerry's own mouth, 'tard

Someone that takes 6 different explanations in various forms to understand something shouldn't be calling anyone ********, summer. I doubt even now you understand why I brought up semantics.

i have seen Jerry say that if there is a tie he is the tie breaker thus making him the ultimate decision maker but i wold like to see where he says he is the autonomous decision maker.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Someone that takes 6 different explanations in various forms to understand something shouldn't be calling anyone ********, summer.

all I needed was one, which took you forever to formulate

I doubt even now you understand why I brought up semantics.

you making it unclear what the term better meant?

i have seen Jerry say that if there is a tie he is the tie breaker thus making him the ultimate decision maker but i wold like to see where he says he is the autonomous decision maker.

hold on then

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

all I needed was one, which took you forever to formulate



you making it unclear what the term better meant?



hold on then

As i thought you still don't understand why i was talking about the semantics of the word better in the first place.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As i thought you still don't understand why i was talking about the semantics of the word better in the first place.

lol, you just said better

I had to get it out of you that you meant better pick, as opposed to better player

btw, either my Internet (storm going on) or something is wrong w/ the site, but advanced search isn't working for me, so I'll have to get back w/ you on jerry saying he's always made the final decisions

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol, you just said better

I had to get it out of you that you meant better pick, as opposed to better player

you're rich, dude

This is what i actually responded to you with.

Regardless of how you want to explain it he still flet that Spears was the more 'important' player. You can argue semantics all day long. At the end of the day , if it was up to Bill Ware would not be a Cowboy.

/yawn

Puff that internet chest up more summer.

Do you even understand what semanitics means? Youre saying Parcells thought he was more important. i am saying he thought he was better. If you cannot understand what i am saying and how it boils down to the semantics of the word 'important' versus 'better' then so be it although i am not surprised.

I repeat at the end of the day, if it was up to Bill, Ware would not be a Cowboy today.

You didnt understand it so i had to dumb it down for you. Then you finally understood. You didnt 'get' anything other than a simplified explanation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is what i actually responded to you with.





You didnt understand it so i had to dumb it down for you. Then you finally understood. You didnt 'get' anything other than a simplified explanation.

lol, it became more important

either way you look at it, the original statement I responded to was stupid

I love how when you say something stupid, and are corrected, you argue that it was what you meant all along

trying to say better is the same as more important LOL

 

[Alexander]

Bill Parcells came along when we needed a head coach like him.

We needed discipline and a coach with an eye for talent who could get things steered back in the right direction. This franchise needed his star power and allure to get us back on the map after an embarassing era in team history.

He accomplished all of those things. Yes, I think everyone thought the day he was hired that we would have a Super Bowl berth during his reign. It didn't work out that way.

But the sad thing is most fans cannot understand nor appreciate that he did accomplish a great deal here. Most can't see past their childish bitterness about not getting another title. I wouldn't even call it underachieving. If that is the case, then the standards might have been a touch high.

His place in Cowboys history is solid as far as I am concerned. We are better for him having coached here. I am sure our owner would agree as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bill Parcells came along when we needed a head coach like him.

We needed discipline and a coach with an eye for talent who could get things steered back in the right direction. This franchise needed his star power and allure to get us back on the map after an embarassing era in team history.

He accomplished all of those things. Yes, I think everyone thought the day he was hired that we would have a Super Bowl berth during his reign. It didn't work out that way.

But the sad thing is most fans cannot understand nor appreciate that he did accomplish a great deal here. Most can't see past their childish bitterness about not getting another title.

His place in Cowboys history is solid as far as I am concerned. We are better for him having coached here. I am sure our owner would agree as well.

want to post that Monty Python scene again? we got Fuzzy in here lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

lol, it became more important

either way you look at it, the original statement I responded to was stupid

I love how when you say something stupid, and are corrected, you argue that it was what you meant all along

trying to say better is the same as more important LOL

no i am trying to say better and important can and often do mean the same thing. I have never spoken in absolutes.

And agin i never said anything about talent. You did.

My original point anyway lost in your insipid nonsense still stands. the picks where Parcells was obvioulsy the primary factor like all the OL picks, KR and FOB were bad picks.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was on record saying that his first year the only pick he required was Al Johnson because he needed a center to anchor the line.

He fought for and got Jacob Rogers. this is well known.

He wanted to pick Spears over Ware which translates he thought Spears was better.

Skyler Green and the 50 other punt returners he drafted were a direct result of him repeatedly insisting we waste draft picks on returners.

Fasano- Al Groh.... give me a break

Bobby Carpenter is the son of one of his players.

each and every one of those picks can be laid directly at Parcells feet. You can try to him and haw all you want about he should get credit for the other picks but these aforementioned picks are clearly Parcells picks.

if you want to give him credit for Jay Ratliff, Jason Hatcher, Reeves and Jones etc then so be it but when it is clear that he was the person most responsible for having a player drafted more often then not they would have been busts. Hes not even batting .250 on that count.

Parcless instilled a work ethic in Valley Ranch that hasnt been seen since Switzer destroyed it over a decade ago. For that i thank him because from an institutional standpoint, this is exactly what this team needed.

On the other hand, his inability to adapt to the current game and intractability when dealing with new schemes he did not understand were things that needed to go. That and his bringing in every scrub retread he thinks is one of 'his guys,' and reaching for OL/KR/Players from friends and relatives can stay away too.

want to post that Monty Python scene again? we got Fuzzy in here lol

Too bad it agrees with what i already said. And i am sure Alex really doesnt want to get embroiled in our discussion.

 

[bpfred]

Isn't that a head coach's job? And really, I don't see where Parcells drafts were all that spectacular honestly. He made alot of mistakes. I don't know if it's entirely true, but I've read Parcells wanted to draft Spears before Ware too, easily one of the best acquisitions made during his coaching tenure here. Also can't guarantee the accuracy of this, but I heard it was Sean Payton who was really high on Romo, not Parcells. Of course, everyone will say Jerry forced Drew Henson on Parcells, but I think they both share the blame for that one..

His drafts were were solid and productive, and a huge improvement over the prior drafts by the Cowboys. His free agents were spectacular. Everybody keeps glossing over Romo. There are probably franchises that have gone decades without a QB as talented as Romo. Has Cincinnati ever had a QB better (Palmer and Esiason can be argued--but both were 1st round picks and Palmer 1st overall)? Have the Jets had a QB as good since Namath? How long for the Commanders? The Giants?

And while Payton may have been as high or higher on Romo initially, does anyone think Romo would have been around if Parcells was down on him? Does anyone give Parcells credit for actually developing Romo, when other coaches have destroyed young QBs because they were unwilling to wait? (Think David Carr)

Not sure where you were, but Roy Williams had some of his best seasons under Parcells. Nobody knew Woodson was going to retire either. I'm not going to rehash that here though.

Personally I fault his coaching for playing conservatively and not utilizing the talent he had (got rid of Galloway after Jerry pissed away two first rounders on him, and brings in Keyshawn), and he completely missed the boat with TO. Not only by his interactions with Owens, but his failure again to utilize him on the field.

Bottom line - 9-7, 10-6.

I was watching the team then. And while Williams wasn't as bad as Davis or Watkins I do remember them getting beat down the middle of the field over and over. And over. And over. I remember playing Washington. And Tampa Bay, where Parcells complained to the media about practicing with the safeties all week about not letting Galloway get loose down the middle of the field. And the very first play of the game Galloway getting loose down the middle of the field. While Williams may have had some of his best seasons he also had at least one of his worst (call it second worst).

His interactions with Owens were not unsuccessful. Owens certainly didn't mouth off about Parcells while Parcells was here. And Owens' behavior has been far better with Parcells and post-Parcells than pre-Parcells. People can make the case that Owens was down to his last chance, and that had more to do with his changes than anything else, but nobody here really knows what impact Parcells had (including me).

I like Wade Phillips as a coach. I think Jerry Jones made the right move hiring him, and the Cowboys can win a SuperBowl with him as coach. But I don't think he is as good of a coach as Parcells. And it's not Xs and Os. When Phillips got down on Tyson Thompson last year he let him stay on the roster--does anybody think Parcells would have allowed a player to ride out the year once he lost confidence in him?

Parcells was absolutely relentless about finding players, and he had no loyalty at all to players if he didn't think they could help the team. I don't see that in Phillips--my concern is that he may allow dead wood to collect (although IMO they had a great offseason in terms of keeping/getting talent).

I'm not saying Parcells was perfect--he clearly wasn't. But I do think he's the best in the business.

 

[sago1]

Most of us would agree that without Parcells as our former head coach we wouldn't have gone 13-3 in 07 because we also wouldn't have had so many very good players on this team including Newman, Witten, Ware, MBIII, Gurode, Colombo, Glenn (if he can still play), Ratliff, Canty, Hatcher, James, Flozel (urged Jones to resign him), etc. I can put up with some failures because of so many other successes. Some of you act like drafting is an exact science, well it isn't. The mess Jerry made before Parcells came should tell you that. Of course maybe Parcells biggest success is Romo at QB--because of the huge importance the QB plays on any team's success.

But like most I also believe we would not have won 13 games last year if Parcells was still our head coach. So 4 years and gone is a good philisophy Parcells should follow in Miami as well. In any case Parcells will always have a place in Cowboys history whether some like it or not, particularly if this team wins a super bowl soon.

 

[Velvet Jones]

no i am trying to say better and important can and often do mean the same thing. I have never spoken in absolutes.

Sorry to poke my head in, but better and more important have nowhere near the same meaning. Even as it pertains to this conversation, Bill thought that Ware was the better player but that he was not the more important piece to the puzzle. Two completely different meanings.

I understand that it is what you meant, though. If the conversation is if Ware would or would not be a Cowboy, you are right. If the conversation is better is a semantics step away from more important, then you are not. Bad choice of word and we have all done it. Not a big deal.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Bill Parcells came along when we needed a head coach like him.

We needed discipline and a coach with an eye for talent who could get things steered back in the right direction. This franchise needed his star power and allure to get us back on the map after an embarassing era in team history.

He accomplished all of those things. Yes, I think everyone thought the day he was hired that we would have a Super Bowl berth during his reign. It didn't work out that way.

But the sad thing is most fans cannot understand nor appreciate that he did accomplish a great deal here. Most can't see past their childish bitterness about not getting another title. I wouldn't even call it underachieving. If that is the case, then the standards might have been a touch high.

His place in Cowboys history is solid as far as I am concerned. We are better for him having coached here. I am sure our owner would agree as well.

I agree. I would add that it was time for Coach Parcells to leave when he did as well. No way we're 13-3 last year if he's HC.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

Does anyone give Parcells credit for actually developing Romo, when other coaches have destroyed young QBs because they were unwilling to wait? (Think David Carr).

I do, certainly.

As far as Carr is concerned, he could have held the clipboard on the sideline and "developed" for 3 seasons and still would have sucked. But yeah, these high drafted QBs are pushed into action way too soon ($$$$$) and it ruins a lot of them.

 

[Hostile]

Bill Parcells came along when we needed a head coach like him.

I only know one critic of Parcells on this site who would disagree with this. One. (No, it isn't Juke99) Not a whole rash of people, certainly not a cabal. This particular poster disagreed with his hiring from the word go and hated it. He never wavered. Most posters were thrilled with him. Especially when in his first year we went 10-6 and made the playoffs. It raised expectations. Those expectations were never met. Hence the disappointment in the overall results by many.

We needed discipline and a coach with an eye for talent who could get things steered back in the right direction. This franchise needed his star power and allure to get us back on the map after an embarassing era in team history.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I think embarrassing is too light a touch. It was worse than embarrassing. The only good thing that happened from Super Bowl XXX until he took over was Emmitt passing Walter and the wins we did get. Everything else was painful.

Except maybe Switzer leaving. I was pretty happy that day.

He accomplished all of those things. Yes, I think everyone thought the day he was hired that we would have a Super Bowl berth during his reign. It didn't work out that way.

What's wrong with expecting those things? I believe he expected those things. If he didn't, then what was he even doing in the first place? Collecting a lot of Jerry's money?

But the sad thing is most fans cannot understand nor appreciate that he did accomplish a great deal here. Most can't see past their childish bitterness about not getting another title. I wouldn't even call it underachieving. If that is the case, then the standards might have been a touch high.

I disagree with this. I think most understand, most appreciate, but many of those who do, are simply not satisfied with the results. You're a vocal defender of Owens. Do you condone the way Parcells dealt with Owens? Talk about childish, let's be real here.

His place in Cowboys history is solid as far as I am concerned. We are better for him having coached here. I am sure our owner would agree as well.

I would agree with that. That doesn't mean I have to genuflect along with all the male fans of the team and the female fans have to curtsy. It certainly doesn't mean I should bite my tongue or only speak of him in hushed and reverent tones. Anyone who wants that can kiss my rear end. Just like it is okay to be critical of Roy Williams, or any other player or coach, it is okay to be critical of Duane Charles "Bill" Parcells. Not a damned thing wrong with it.

What about all of the players (not just TO) who spoke out about their relief that he was gone? Their opinions mean nothing in the overall equation? Seriously? Granted some of them have not exploded into the NFL spotlight since he left, but I think their opinions on his absence are relevant.

Parcells himself said that his act wears thin after a while. It did with many people. There was a very real part of me that was hoping he would stay and finish the course. He certainly got offered enough money to do so. There was another part of me that was happy it was over. He simply did not complete the job he was brought here to do. Unless you think not attacking Pete Hunter and a depleted Seahawks secondary was brilliant strategy. Forget the bobble and Glenn's drop in the endzone. Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me you weren't appalled that we weren't throwing the ball and attacking those stiffs off the street?

Come on. This ain't my first rodeo.

It is possible to be simultaneously grateful for his tenure here and all that it did to right this ship, and glad that he is gone. I am living proof and I don't think I am all alone on this island.