Bill's 3-4 wrong "D" for the Skins?

[Bleed Blue]

I need some opinions. With the Skins running more sweeps and screens and attacking the edges, is this 3-4 set up to defend it? Or would the old smallar quicker 4-3 be better suited?

 

[The30YardSlant]

The human bowling ball known as T.J. Duckett wont be running many sweeps this season...

 

[dal0789]

The human bowling ball known as T.J. Duckett wont be running many sweeps this season...

HAHAHA thats funny lmao the human bowling ball lmao i love it

 

[Wolfpack]

3-4 is better.

You get a better flow to the play with the quicker LBs on the field vs. the slower Dts. The historical weakness of the 3-4 is the up the middle power runs (remember what we did to the 3-4 teams in the 90s).

The keys to the outside stuff is simply not getting sealed off and having the DE or OLB at the point hold his ground and let the other backers finish. Not overly different from a 4-3.

 

[Hostile]

I need some opinions. With the Skins running more sweeps and screens and attacking the edges, is this 3-4 set up to defend it? Or would the old smallar quicker 4-3 be better suited?

Our LBs now are bigger and faster than those we had in our 4-3 scheme and they are the main attack point on a sweep. If Portis doesn't play they won't run many sweeps with Betts and Duckett.

I really think Cooley is a key ingredient of their offense this week.

 

[TwoSteppinJJ]

3-4 is definately better for the sweeps and outside runs. For screens it isnt much better than running the 4-3, The screen passes that kill you are when the cornerbacks are playing a drop back zone or just play 5-7 yards off the WR which we tend to do.

 

[junk]

Our LBs now are bigger and faster than those we had in our 4-3 scheme and they are the main attack point on a sweep. If Portis doesn't play they won't run many sweeps with Betts and Duckett.

I really think Cooley is a key ingredient of their offense this week.

Faster? Than who?

I certainly don't think Ellis is faster than any recent 4-3 OLBs. I'm pretty sure guys like Coakley, Darrin Smith, etc definitely had a leg up as far as speed.

Size? Yes, the current group is bigger.

Different defenses predicated on different strengths. Those 4-3 defenses were built for speed at the LB position.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

yeah, traditionally the 3-4 is better for outside runs and the 4-3 is better for inside runs, depending on players of course. If Duckett starts, expect alot of runs between the tackles, they will try to test our interior as most offenses do against a 3-4.

 

[Tuna Helper]

I need some opinions. With the Skins running more sweeps and screens and attacking the edges, is this 3-4 set up to defend it? Or would the old smallar quicker 4-3 be better suited?

I read an article today that described the 3-4 as the best neutralizer for the Al Saunders offense. While the Commanders offensive personnel may shift here or there, the defense doesn't require much shifting. That style of offense is designed to exploit a 4-3.

 

[Tuna Helper]

yeah, traditionally the 3-4 is better for outside runs and the 4-3 is better for inside runs, depending on players of course. If Duckett starts, expect alot of runs between the tackles, they will try to test our interior as most offenses do against a 3-4.

Your comment is spot on. I recall that most teams were moving to a 4-3 back in the 1990's to stop running backs like Emmitt Smith, who made a living running up the gut. Emmitt was a major catalyst for the move to the 4-3 back in the 1990's.

 

[redskins1]

how much success did the chiefs offense have against your 3-4 defense last year under al saunders?i think al saunders knows how to attack a 3-4 D...

 

[Jay]

While Saunders is the offensive coach, Gibbs is still sticking to what he has done best in the past, and that's running in between the tackles. He has always believed in pounding the ball.. sure they run sweeps here and there but it's not as if that's their primary running play.

 

[Hostile]

how much success did the chiefs offense have against your 3-4 defense last year under al saunders?i think al saunders knows how to attack a 3-4 D...

Once again, flawed logic (or is it complete lack of?) spews forth.

First of all, every offensive coordinator knows how to attack any scheme. Al is no savior there even though I concede he's one of the best OCs out there. The question is can they get a team ready to do it?

Second of all, this offense is nowhere near the offense he had in KC. I'm sorry, you probably don't want to hear that, but it's painfully true.

Lastly, when KC and Al faced this D last year, who won the game? You jabronis always seem to overlook that stat. Like when you say TO has never done anything against your D in his career. Yet you've never beaten any team he's played on when you've faced him. Not once, not ever.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Once again, flawed logic (or is it complete lack of?) spews forth.

First of all, every offensive coordinator knows how to attack any scheme. Al is no savior there even though I concede he's one of the best OCs out there. The question is can they get a team ready to do it?

Second of all, this offense is nowhere near the offense he had in KC. I'm sorry, you probably don't want to hear that, but it's painfully true.

Lastly, when KC and Al faced this D last year, who won the game? You jabronis always seem to overlook that stat. Like when you say TO has never done anything against your D in his career. Yet you've never beaten any team he's played on when you've faced him. Not once, not ever.

Plus I think a "year 2" Canty, Ware and Spears are going to be better than the rookie versions.

And Fujita and Shanle at LB compared to what we have this year?

No comment necessary.



Even though Shanle was reported by some to be the "biggest and baddest linebacker in the NFL"


I hope a particular person reads the last part-- too bad he can't post a reply.

 

[THUMPER]

I really think Cooley is a key ingredient of their offense this week.

Cooley vs Ellis/Ware is a matchup that I would expect the Commanders to exploit often this Sunday.

Without Portis they will have a hard time running against us and will probably look to use more dumpoff passes to Cooley and Betts out of the backfield. That will keep our OLBs busy in coverage and limit our pass-rush.

Having both Newman and Henry healthy will help against their WRs as will having Watkins at FS rather than Davis. Randle El is not much of a threat against our CBs so I don't forsee any problems with him but Moss is tough to cover one-on-one especially if you give the QB all day to throw. He WILL get open eventually and Brunell will find him if he has time. I expect to see Watkins (or Aaron Glenn) helping to double Moss a lot.

Overall, I'm not too concerned about our defense vs their offense, although I don't expect to see us putting a lot of pressure on Brunell. My only real concern is our offense playing well and not beating themselves. Their defense is going to blitz Bledsoe every chance they get as that is the best way to shut us down and create turnovers. If we can establish the run then it will limit their ability to blitz as often and if we can get the ball to Owens a few times and let him gain some yards after the catch they will be forced to keep extra guys in coverage.

I would like to see us come out the way we did last week, throwing quick hits to Owens and Witten and mixing in runs by Jones. Play-action on 2nd and short would be nice to see for once.

I see us coming out with a win this week: 27-17

 

[Hostile]

Cooley vs Ellis/Ware is a matchup that I would expect the Commanders to exploit often this Sunday.

Without Portis they will have a hard time running against us and will probably look to use more dumpoff passes to Cooley and Betts out of the backfield. That will keep our OLBs busy in coverage and limit our pass-rush.

Having both Newman and Henry healthy will help against their WRs as will having Watkins at FS rather than Davis. Randle El is not much of a threat against our CBs so I don't forsee any problems with him but Moss is tough to cover one-on-one especially if you give the QB all day to throw. He WILL get open eventually and Brunell will find him if he has time. I expect to see Watkins (or Aaron Glenn) helping to double Moss a lot.

Overall, I'm not too concerned about our defense vs their offense, although I don't expect to see us putting a lot of pressure on Brunell. My only real concern is our offense playing well and not beating themselves. Their defense is going to blitz Bledsoe every chance they get as that is the best way to shut us down and create turnovers. If we can establish the run then it will limit their ability to blitz as often and if we can get the ball to Owens a few times and let him gain some yards after the catch they will be forced to keep extra guys in coverage.

I would like to see us come out the way we did last week, throwing quick hits to Owens and Witten and mixing in runs by Jones. Play-action on 2nd and short would be nice to see for once.

I see us coming out with a win this week: 27-17

Good stuff. I think Ellis might be used less this game because of Singleton, Burnett or Carpenter being more experienced at covering TEs.

 

[dreamshatterer]

Honestly, if Ware can bull rush our O-line like I have seen him been doing during the pre-season, then the 3-4 defense will be just fine.

 

[md2005]

Please stop with this Saunders crap. He is an excellent coach but he did have LJ and arguably the best OL in history. The word "best" does not equal anything close to your sack of crap.

 

[Bleed Blue]

Please stop with this Saunders crap. He is an excellent coach but he did have LJ and arguably the best OL in history. The word "best" does not equal anything close to your sack of crap.

Nuff said!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

In some ways it is the wrong defense since it relies on bigger personnel and Washington runs more out on the perimeter now so speed is an issue. That being said, I'll be hard pressed to believe Minny's defense is any faster (and probably a tad slower) than Dallas'.

On the other hand, the 3-4 plays a bit wider than the 4-3. We were excellent in defending the run up the middle against Jacksonville, so we probably won't have to worry about that against Washington. We did struggle on some outside runs by the Jags, but they were usually bounce out runs that I don't think we expected.

NE and Pittsburgh have had success with the 3-4 against similar types of offenses.

So, we'll wait and see.


YAKUZA