Bills sign Connor McGovern

8FOR!3 · Mar 14, 2023

Jarntt said:
Good for Connor. I wish him well. But glad we didn't give him that much.

As am I but we have to replace him. WHEN (not if) Tyron Smith inevitably misses time and Tyler moves to LT we need depth at guard. God forbid if anyone else gets hurt like Steele again.

ak47kaehu · Mar 14, 2023

EenonyMoose said:
Yes, the better one is still available.

That's great......we could potentially replace Connor McGovern with the better Connor McGovern!

Jarntt · Mar 14, 2023

8FOR!3 said:
As am I but we have to replace him. WHEN (not if) Tyron Smith inevitably misses time and Tyler moves to LT we need depth at guard. God forbid if anyone else gets hurt like Steele again.

I'm not worried about our ability to find a less than league average starting LG to replace him if need be. Maybe we even end up with an upgrade. I will say I thought he was very good at the very end of the year and wouldn't be surprised if that is why he got the contract from Buffalo. You can't sign everyone and this is the same as letting C Williams go last year. You need guys who are good or cheap to fill out a roster in a cap world. Once these guys were neither of those you need to say goodbye.

eromeopolk · Mar 14, 2023

TheMarathonContinues said:
Are you sure you know what you’re talking about? You know Connor was a backup here and would’ve continued to be a backup right?

Money talks B.S. walks. Follow the money with Connor McGovern and Connor Williams. If they were garbage, playoff teams would not be jumping immediately to sign them. McGovern started both OG spots and the C for a 12-5 team. McGovern was your starter a LG (until Peters), back up at C, RG, and still got start due to injuries and line up changes. You are what you are. He can play or the Bills would not have him protecting their valuable franchise QB.

buybuydandavis · Mar 14, 2023

McKDaddy said:
That's the range for a mid level starting G is going to make.

I don't consider McGovern a mid level starter.
He's a bottom level starter or top level backup.

buybuydandavis · Mar 14, 2023

eromeopolk said:
Money talks B.S. walks. Follow the money with Connor McGovern and Connor Williams. If they were garbage, playoff teams would not be jumping immediately to sign them. McGovern started both OG spots and the C for a 12-5 team. McGovern was your starter a LG (until Peters), back up at C, RG, and still got start due to injuries and line up changes. You are what you are. He can play or the Bills would not have him protecting their valuable franchise QB.

Because teams never overpay in free agency.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 14, 2023

eromeopolk said:
Money talks B.S. walks. Follow the money with Connor McGovern and Connor Williams. If they were garbage, playoff teams would not be jumping immediately to sign them. McGovern started both OG spots and the C for a 12-5 team. McGovern was your starter a LG (until Peters), back up at C, RG, and still got start due to injuries and line up changes. You are what you are. He can play or the Bills would not have him protecting their valuable franchise QB.

You mean like the Bengals who signed Lael Collins from us just did him to suck lol? Bs walks…..you got that part right.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 15, 2023

buybuydandavis said:
I don't consider McGovern a mid level starter.
He's a bottom level starter or top level backup.

It’s like I’m living in bizarro world. McGovern sucked here and most agreed he sucked until he gets paid now he’s Larry Allen lol.

buybuydandavis · Mar 15, 2023

TheMarathonContinues said:
It’s like I’m living in bizarro world. McGovern sucked here and most agreed he sucked until he gets paid now he’s Larry Allen lol.

So happy it wasn't us. And I was a guy pulling for McGovern for years. But just not good. Some have said he's an average starter. Not to me.
I see a starter you want to replace ASAP, a backup you're happy to have.
7mil+? I woulda been crying if it were us.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 15, 2023

buybuydandavis said:
So happy it wasn't us. And I was a guy pulling for McGovern for years. But just not good. Some have said he's an average starter. Not to me.
I see a starter you want to replace ASAP, a backup you're happy to have.
7mil+? I woulda been crying if it were us.

Oh me too. Nothing against the guy....Cowboys typically draft well so I just waited for McGovern and Conner Williams to eventually click. It may click in Buffalo but this team would've been fools to sign him to that deal for him to sit on the bench. They gave him every opportunity to start. They wanted him to start.

McKDaddy · Mar 15, 2023

buybuydandavis said:
I don't consider McGovern a mid level starter.
He's a bottom level starter or top level backup.

The league does though. The Bills believe he's an upgrade. I haven't heard details but I'm sure he had others interested in his services as well.

McKDaddy · Mar 15, 2023

TheMarathonContinues said:
McGovern sucked here and most agreed he sucked

But he didn't. The Debbie downers labeled him as such because he didn't get on the field right away nor play HOF level when he did. Unfortunately, those labels often become gospel rather than grading the player fairly.

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 15, 2023

McKDaddy said:
But he didn't. The Debbie downers labeled him as such because he didn't get on the field right away nor play HOF level when he did. Unfortunately, those labels often become gospel rather than grading the player fairly.

Why did he only start unless an injury happened? What am I missing?

McKDaddy · Mar 15, 2023

TheMarathonContinues said:
Why did he only start unless an injury happened? What am I missing?

Like most things its probably not any one thing. Could only "really" discuss by sitting together & watching film so I'll ty to quickly address.
1) CWill was clearly not a good G. Either favoritism or coaching incompetence allowed him to start as long as he did. He has much more functional power than CWill. He can stymie most bull rushers. McG was never going to start over Tyler or Peters due to ones draft position & natural strength and one's HOF career when team thought they could get both on the field. However, they quickly learned Peters was only good for limited number of plays.
2) McG isn't a natural on the left side. He clearly stated his preference for the right.
3) When he did replace CWill for a few games in 21, he certainly wasn't great but he got blamed for some things that were really TB. This is the basis for a lot of the criticism on him but it's misplaced.
4) He started the 22 season but got injured in game one (I believe). He missed several games and when back they shifted around some with Tyler & Peters. After that he became the primary player at LG. He & Tyler as well as he & TB developed some nice chemistry by this time. Perhaps he also got more comfortable on the left side. If you think back, most of our successful runs came behind the left side due to these three playing well together. McG would often get multiple blocks on the same play. Often the linemen furthest downfield at the end of the play.
5) I don't know where he will peak but if I was a team looking for a legit starter and had to choose paying what he got between a guy with only about a season's worth of playing time who appears to be ascending and the same for a known, trusted commodity but who is 8-9 years into their career, I'm taking the younger guy and hoping what I saw last year was his floor and that I have a bargain if he keeps developing.

eromeopolk · Mar 16, 2023

TheMarathonContinues said:
You mean like the Bengals who signed Lael Collins from us just did him to suck lol? Bs walks…..you got that part right.

Collins was injured. He started slow, got hot, and then got injured. The Bengals went further in the Playoffs that the Jonesboys the last 27 years.

So now your reaching for Collins to try to prove a pointless point. Connor Williams, starter C on playoff team. Connor McGovern going to be a starter on a Playoff Team. Collins, starting RT on a playoff team.

That is my point. You keep your OL and get rid of used up and broken leg RBs.

DCreppinBoysfan · Mar 16, 2023

ESisback said:
I’d say Tyron, Tyler, Badass, Martin, Steele. Backups? Waletzko, Farniok, Draft, FA.

Tyron and Steele are injury concerns

TheMarathonContinues · Mar 16, 2023

eromeopolk said:
Collins was injured. He started slow, got hot, and then got injured. The Bengals went further in the Playoffs that the Jonesboys the last 27 years.

So now your reaching for Collins to try to prove a pointless point. Connor Williams, starter C on playoff team. Connor McGovern going to be a starter on a Playoff Team. Collins, starting RT on a playoff team.

That is my point. You keep your OL and get rid of used up and broken leg RBs.

You are clueless if you think the Dolphins made the playoffs because of Connor Williams at center. La El had nothing to do with Bengals making it to the AFC championship they made the SB prior to him even getting ther lol.

ESisback · Mar 16, 2023

DCreppinBoysfan said:
Tyron and Steele are injury concerns

And? Can’t have steak on every plate. All teams have “if’s”. What’s your solution? I’m just rattling off the best possible lineup, IMHO.

DCreppinBoysfan · Mar 16, 2023

ESisback said:
And? Can’t have steak on every plate. All teams have “if’s”. What’s your solution? I’m just rattling off the best possible lineup, IMHO.

Neither one is steak. Martin is the steak

ESisback · Mar 16, 2023

DCreppinBoysfan said:
Neither one is steak. Martin is the steak

Maybe not, but collectively, that’s a good OL. Want a guarantee? Buy a toaster. I notice you didn’t offer a better alternative.

You only seem to want to disparage the Cowboys. And argue.

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