Bledsoe - my observation

Bob Sacamano · Oct 27, 2005

uh, Nors, this was Dat's 1st week of going hard in practice, since the injury

Bob Sacamano · Oct 27, 2005

Hostile said:
You might as well talk to your foot.

if only my foot was that amusing *sighs*

Nors · Oct 27, 2005

You 2's are amusing -LOL

Fact is Shanle starts again....

Bob Sacamano · Oct 27, 2005

2's? you 2, or you two, but we're not 2 is

big_neil · Oct 28, 2005

Bledsoe bashers follow a similar pattern. Their main objective is to state that Drew is incapable of even completing a pass. They will not budge. If you ask what will happen next week, they will always predict a loss. If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether we'd be 4-3 after 7 games, they would say "more like 1-6". If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether Drew would have 12 TDs 6 INT after 7 games, they would say more like the other way around.

Then Drew will play well and they will switch to "next week" or "second half" or something else. They'll categorically explain away anything good that happened (San Diego was missing their WR or they would have won). They will never allow the defense to take the blame for blowing a lead (hey they only allowed 10 points). They will start with "Drew will never win", then it's "Drew will never have a winning season", "Drew will never make the playoffs", "Drew will never win on the road in the playoffs", "Drew will never make the Super Bowl". Then it will finally be "Drew will never win the Super Bowl". And they are safe that way - how many QBs will win the SB this year?

So the plan is 1) Deny past successes. 2) Dismiss chances of future success. The shallow-minded Bledsoe Basher in a nutshell.

Meanwhile Drew is #1 in the NFC in YPA, #2 in TDs, #2 in yards, #2 in rating, all despite a horrendous stat-killing game last week. Ask yourself whether the basher would ever had said that was possible.

big_neil · Oct 28, 2005

Oh yeah - and two more things the bashers love: when things are going well "Stats don't mean anything". But when Drew throws 2 interceptions, they'll sound like a broken record all week.

MichaelWinicki · Oct 28, 2005

big_neil said:
Oh yeah - and two more things the bashers love: when things are going well "Stats don't mean anything". But when Drew throws 2 interceptions, they'll sound like a broken record all week.

Any linkies to "bashers" doing this? Please?

And for the record I said this team was on the cusp of the playoffs with Bledsoe. 8-8/9-7. I've stuck to that right along.

junk · Oct 28, 2005

Hostile said:
The bet was that The Enigma got to choose the avatar and it was AFTER the season started.

You wore that one not for the bet.

That's called welching when you change the terms of the bet.

Yeah, I was confused by that as well. Not surprised though....

Hostile · Oct 28, 2005

junk said:
Yeah, I was confused by that as well. Not surprised though....

I'm not either.

Nors · Oct 28, 2005

big_neil said:
Bledsoe bashers follow a similar pattern. Their main objective is to state that Drew is incapable of even completing a pass. They will not budge. If you ask what will happen next week, they will always predict a loss. If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether we'd be 4-3 after 7 games, they would say "more like 1-6". If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether Drew would have 12 TDs 6 INT after 7 games, they would say more like the other way around.

Then Drew will play well and they will switch to "next week" or "second half" or something else. They'll categorically explain away anything good that happened (San Diego was missing their WR or they would have won). They will never allow the defense to take the blame for blowing a lead (hey they only allowed 10 points). They will start with "Drew will never win", then it's "Drew will never have a winning season", "Drew will never make the playoffs", "Drew will never win on the road in the playoffs", "Drew will never make the Super Bowl". Then it will finally be "Drew will never win the Super Bowl". And they are safe that way - how many QBs will win the SB this year?

So the plan is 1) Deny past successes. 2) Dismiss chances of future success. The shallow-minded Bledsoe Basher in a nutshell.

Meanwhile Drew is #1 in the NFC in YPA, #2 in TDs, #2 in yards, #2 in rating, all despite a horrendous stat-killing game last week. Ask yourself whether the basher would ever had said that was possible.

spot on

MarionBarberThe4th · Oct 28, 2005

Hostile said:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31931&highlight=crow+avatar

I crap you negative.

I like how you searched for that thread by searching "crow"

burmafrd · Oct 28, 2005

When Dat is back starting I wonder what Nors line will be then?
Nevermind.....
forgot we are talking about nors.

big_neil · Oct 28, 2005

MichaelWinicki said:
Any linkies to "bashers" doing this? Please?

I was mainly referring to friends I speak with about Bledsoe with this point. Their motto is "(good) stats don't mean anything". But they will hypocritically quote any bad stats. If Drew plays good and loses "stats don't mean anything". If he plays bad and wins "but he threw 3 interceptions!".

Hostile · Oct 28, 2005

MarionBarberThe4th said:
I like how you searched for that thread by searching "crow"

Sort of poetic isn't it?

MichaelWinicki · Oct 28, 2005

Hostile said:
Sort of poetic isn't it?

Someone should do a search on "Wilma"

kartr · Oct 28, 2005

dbair1967 said:
I guess that would be fair if you are comparing Bledsoe with Aikman towards the end of his career, but before the knee and back stuff wore him down Aikman got back into the throwing position much quicker than Bledsoe, and he also had a quicker release

David

Plus he didn't hold the ball too long and he didn't lead the league in fumbles either. Bad comparison.

kartr · Oct 28, 2005

MichaelWinicki said:
Some good points have been brought up.

Nors brought up a good point on Drew and his "comfort" level within a 3-step drop system. He's isn't and to make matters worse his accuracy and touch on short passes is not effective.

Drew is a better passer on medium to long patterns-- no question.

But here is problem...

Teams have repeatedly either taken away the longer routes OR blitzed relentlessly since the mid-point of the 2002 season. In conjunction that's when Drew's "dream season" of 2002 went into the tank... and remained so until the 1/4 mark of the 2004 season when the Buffalo offense finally started emphasizing short patterns to avoid sacks and decrease the number of 3 & outs the offense had been suffering through.

I think much to his chagrin Drew did buy into the concept... at least until the last game of the season against Pittsburgh, which would decide the Bills playoff future.

After Drew's failure to beat a Pittsburgh team that was playing mostly 2nd & 3rd stringers on defense many within the Bills organization were greatly miffed that Drew did not follow the game plan that emphasized the short passing game and instead fell back into his bad habits of looking long first-- forcing balls-- and taking needless sacks.

And here's the situation at hand...

1. Do we continue to emphasize the short passing game even though it doesn't play to the strengths of the QB?
2. Do we "open up the offense" with more passing period?
3. Do we emphasize a more "vertical" passing game?

Buffalo almost made the playoffs last year by doing #1. Drew isn't the best in this type of offense but it seems to carry the least amount of risk.

Drew is an offensive line 'killer'. The pass protection always looks worse with Drew than it will virtually any other QB due to his desire to look for the longer routes first. Consider this... how can the protection offered by this year's offensive line (up to the loss of Adams) be worse than last year given we had Gurode at RG and Tucker at RT for most of the year? The fact is it couldn't. Bledsoe has probably added a good 8 sacks to our total by just "being Drew". It's what you are going to get with him.

I honestly don't see how we can open up the passing game more... I honestly don't. If this offense goes to a 60/40 pass/run ratio I guarantee bad things will happen.

Consequently going to a more vertical offense will lead to the same problems. Yes, we will get more big plays but the negative plays will kill us.

Bravo Michael. Well said, very well said!

kartr · Oct 28, 2005

burmafrd said:
Added 8 sacks to our total- really. That is pathetic. This last game all sacks- or virtually all- were on the line. Before this game there were several BLOWN pickups by backs or screw ups by the line. I would say only about 1/4 of the sacks this season are Bledsoe's fault- and what we have gained is much more then what we have lost.
All you need is ONE more big play then negative plays to win a game. Some want to hate on Bledsoe so much they have lost what little reason they have.

Not so, even Roger Craig said in his column that Bledsoe started out well, but started to hold the ball too long in the red zone, and those things including the
last int were his decisions.

kartr · Oct 28, 2005

MichaelWinicki said:
The problem with that is this:

1. Drew will wait for the something to develop deep before he checks off. This is really his biggest weakness that the defenses key on. They'll take away the deep passes and in the process greatly increase the chance of sacks/fumbles/ints.

2. And "no". One more "big" play per game as compared to "negative" plays will not guarantee a win.

And he's so limited in what he can do,it makes it easy to game plan for him. If he wants to open things up, then he's got to prove that he can make good decisions when under pressure and after 12 years in the league, he would have proved it by now.

kartr · Oct 28, 2005

Nors said:
We were doing a lot of 3 steps. Limited receivers and thats my point. The Oline was getting pushed into him. And a few times Petitti let his man in UNBLOCKED.

Drew had a bad game but so did Oline.

Every qb has O-line pushed into him sometime, except for Manning, but sometimes a qb has to make a play and get out of there and by some time. His limited mobility forces the O-line to play near perfect and the receivers to always have to get open quick. He's got to help them out a bit too and if protection breaks down, throw the ball at the feet of one of the receivers, don't just take the sack, especially in the red zone.

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