Bledsoe - my observation

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Nors said:
12 TD's versus 6 ints

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular


He's 5th in the NFL in passing. Give your gloom act a rest.

I put more emphasis on W's and L's than on fantasy numbers and he's made poor decisions at the end of the 3 games we've lost. Just remember, this aint no fantasy league game we're playing. Brian Griese put up the same kind of numbers last year that Bledsoe is putting up this year and Tampa's defense played well overall, but Brian's end game screwups cost the Buc's a lot games. If he continues to make the same kinds mistakes he makes in our losses, we're not going to the playoffs. There is a trend here, Bledsoe = Griese, and that's not good.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
And the 12 TD places him 3rd in the NFL in TD passes.

And the end game mistakes he's made has put us in last place in the NFC East.
Fantasy stats don't get you into the playoffs, by themselves.
 

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Trip said:
But here's the difference...

Dallas offensive line isn't Buffalo's offensive line.

Yeah, our tackles are a little suspect, but bad things happen to Drew when he gets pressured up the middle. He isn't getting that very often with Dallas. Our guards have been, and will continue to be, strong in pass protection, while the Bills have had a turnstile at left guard since Reuben Brown left and Teague is pretty weak in pass protection as well and the Henry/McGahee/Williams combo at RB last year wasn't exactly helpful at picking up missed blitzers.

I'm not sure if you saw, or remember the Bills against Oakland last year? Drew looked like he was incapable of being a professional QB in that game, and there were others (but especially that one). He hasn't looked like that in any game in Dallas at all.

He threw a costly interception last week... but that had nothing to do with pressure or pass protection and was not at all the type of meltdowns he experienced at Buffalo. It was just a bad pass, and he doesn't do that very often, and I certainly don't think it's a reason to limit the offense at this point.

My two cents.

There was an earlier post here showing that the run/pass ratio was the same in the Seattle game as it was in the Eagles game, so no one is limiting the offense for Bledsoe. He's limited the offense himself with his mistakes. You can't expect everybody else's defense not to show up like the Eagles defense.
Qb's have to play well with pressure. There are going to be slips and falls by receivers and O-line break downs, and the qb must still make plays, even against good defenses.
 

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kartr said:
And the end game mistakes he's made has put us in last place in the NFC East.
Fantasy stats don't get you into the playoffs, by themselves.

And we have as many wins as anyone in the NFC East he also is also averaging 257 a game hitting 62.3% of his passes he has 12 TD to 6 ints and has ran for a TD. QB make mistake all of them but the bottom line is Bledsoe is out playing any QB this team has had since Troy Aikman was here. Dallas spent years after Aikman spinning their wheels with a bunch of losers including the idiot you get all fired up for. Bledsoe is doing the job to bad you can handle that fact
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
I didn't know the season ended after 7 games.

How much you want to bet that he isn't as high as the 5th rated passer after week 16?

I'm game. Are you in or out Nors?

I want a piece of that wager too. My two cents says that he'll make a second half swoon like he always does, especially with road games against the Eagles,Giants and Skins and the Chiefs,Broncos,Panthers and Rams.
 

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Pretty sad when so called fans are betting against our players and hoping for failure. I don't normally call out folks pertaining to loyalty but when I see dumb statements like this then I call it as I see it.
 

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big_neil said:
Bledsoe bashers follow a similar pattern. Their main objective is to state that Drew is incapable of even completing a pass. They will not budge. If you ask what will happen next week, they will always predict a loss. If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether we'd be 4-3 after 7 games, they would say "more like 1-6". If you asked them at the beginning of the season whether Drew would have 12 TDs 6 INT after 7 games, they would say more like the other way around.

Then Drew will play well and they will switch to "next week" or "second half" or something else. They'll categorically explain away anything good that happened (San Diego was missing their WR or they would have won). They will never allow the defense to take the blame for blowing a lead (hey they only allowed 10 points). They will start with "Drew will never win", then it's "Drew will never have a winning season", "Drew will never make the playoffs", "Drew will never win on the road in the playoffs", "Drew will never make the Super Bowl". Then it will finally be "Drew will never win the Super Bowl". And they are safe that way - how many QBs will win the SB this year?

So the plan is 1) Deny past successes. 2) Dismiss chances of future success. The shallow-minded Bledsoe Basher in a nutshell.

Meanwhile Drew is #1 in the NFC in YPA, #2 in TDs, #2 in yards, #2 in rating, all despite a horrendous stat-killing game last week. Ask yourself whether the basher would ever had said that was possible.

You forgot that Drew has had better O-line play than any qb we've had since Aikman, better running backs, better receivers and a better D. Both Vinny and Q put up good numbers early the last two seasons and with lesser supporting casts too. So what's your point? With Vinny we were able to hang in there in close games such as Pittsburgh and were trounced by the Ginst and Bengals due to defensive collapses. With Q, we trounced inferior teams such as Detroit and Arizona, instead of struggling with an inferior SF team this year.
We've scored 26 points in the last two games while the defense has shut down two of the most potent NFL offenses. Two years ago, it took elite defenses such as the Bucs,the Pats and the Bills to shut down our offense, and we had a lesser experience qb, a worse O-line,worser receivers and Jason Witten was just a rookie. Again, what's your point?
 

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kartr said:
You forgot that Drew has had better O-line play than any qb we've had since Aikman, better running backs, better receivers and a better D. Both Vinny and Q put up good numbers early the last two seasons and with lesser supporting casts too. So what's your point? With Vinny we were able to hang in there in close games such as Pittsburgh and were trounced by the Ginst and Bengals due to defensive collapses. With Q, we trounced inferior teams such as Detroit and Arizona, instead of struggling with an inferior SF team this year.
We've scored 26 points in the last two games while the defense has shut down two of the most potent NFL offenses. Two years ago, it took elite defenses such as the Bucs,the Pats and the Bills to shut down our offense, and we had a lesser experience qb, a worse O-line,worser receivers and Jason Witten was just a rookie. Again, what's your point?

Carter had Glenn and Galloway as well as Witten and Campbell on this team problem was you can put weapons around a QB but if he does not know how to use them then what good are they. Get over it the druggie is gone how much longer are we going to have to see you sing the praises of one of the biggest mistakes this team has made!!!! No one wants him but you
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Carter had Glenn and Galloway as well as Witten and Campbell on this team problem was you can put weapons around a QB but if he does not know how to use them then what good are they. Get over it the druggie is gone how much longer are we going to have to see you sing the praises of one of the biggest mistakes this team has made!!!! No one wants him but you

Man...if we just would've taken a good guard for the 2nd round pick...we'd be so much further ahead....:mad:
 

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Man...if we just would've taken a good guard for the 2nd round pick...we'd be so much further ahead....:mad:

Like any Cowboy player I supported him for the 3 years he was here but it was becoming obvious to me that he was no leader and not that good of a QB not one that I would want leading this team. Backup maybe but after the drug issue Dallas did exactly what they should have done and the Jets did same.
 

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Man...if we just would've taken a good guard for the 2nd round pick...we'd be so much further ahead....:mad:


A different draft year, but we could of had a probowl center if we'd taken LeCharles Bentley in 2002 instead of Andre Gurode.
 

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kartr said:
And the end game mistakes he's made has put us in last place in the NFC East.
Fantasy stats don't get you into the playoffs, by themselves.

maybe since he's putting up stats, and we're still sitting in last place in the ultra-competitive NFC East, that it's not all Bledsoe's fault?
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Pretty sad when so called fans are betting against our players and hoping for failure. I don't normally call out folks pertaining to loyalty but when I see dumb statements like this then I call it as I see it.


Come'on Doom cut me some slack...

Nor's was making a goofy statement and I wanted to see how much he "believed".

It has nothing to do with failure... but expectations.

And I'm telling you as I told Nors that Drew, while he's having a very good season so far is not a #5 rated QB... he just isn't. That has absolutely nothing to do with failure. Just my realistic expectations of what he can give us. Personally, if he's somewhere between 5-10 he helps us a lot. Between 11-15 he helps us. Over 16 and he's not doing us any favors.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
Carter had Glenn and Galloway as well as Witten and Campbell on this team problem was you can put weapons around a QB but if he does not know how to use them then what good are they. Get over it the druggie is gone how much longer are we going to have to see you sing the praises of one of the biggest mistakes this team has made!!!! No one wants him but you

But Carter (man who thought I would be sticking up for him?) never had the quality of offensive line this one is.
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
Come'on Doom cut me some slack...

Nor's was making a goofy statement and I wanted to see how much he "believed".

It has nothing to do with failure... but expectations.

And I'm telling you as I told Nors that Drew, while he's having a very good season so far is not a #5 rated QB... he just isn't. That has absolutely nothing to do with failure. Just my realistic expectations of what he can give us. Personally, if he's somewhere between 5-10 he helps us a lot. Between 11-15 he helps us. Over 16 and he's not doing us any favors.


He called you spot on Miki - calling it like I see it
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
But Carter (man who thought I would be sticking up for him?) never had the quality of offensive line this one is.

the one we have TODAY?

Carter had a BETTER OL in 2003 than this is right now...this is the worst I've seen this OL play in a long time

Bledsoe wont survive the season if the pass protection doesnt get better

David
 

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I agree - this Oline is not better. We have a poor run block game. And have had major jailbreaks in pass protection.

We start Petitti and Tucker at Tackles.....
 

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it may be the homer in me coming out, but I don't think our OT situation is that dire, Tucker did fine last week, and it was Pettiti's 1st week w/o the help he was used to getting, he doesn't make mental mistakes and has talent, with that out of the way, this Oline has been as bad as the one Quincy was working with, maybe a little better, but not by much
 

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Nors said:
He called you spot on Miki - calling it like I see it


And what's that?

You're being "polly-annish" based upon the faulty memories of your long gone youth and I'm being realistic based upon the historical performance of the player?

Boy am I horrible. :rolleyes:
 
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