Bledsoe or Quincy?

[superpunk]

Why can't you be that way when we disagree?

It's not necessary. You're reasonable. And you make sense.

Sometimes.

 

[Rack]

If you think its only about completion percentage go here, click on every passing category and see what name is on the bottom or near it in everything but sacks and sack yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=int%&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006

I think the point is he DOESN'T think it's only about completion percentage.

 

[superpunk]

I think the point is he DOESN'T think it's only about completion percentage.

There is no point anymore. The point got lost a few pages ago.

 

[peplaw06]

If you think its only about completion percentage go here, click on every passing category and see what name is on the bottom or near it in everything but sacks and sack yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=int%&league=nfl&season=2&year=2006

T14 in TDs

T16 in YPA

T16 in TD %

 

[superpunk]

T14 in TDs

T16 in YPA

T16 in TD %

Facts....:shoot3:

 

[Cochese]

Facts....:shoot3:

And where is Carson Palmer, who according to SuperPunk is playing worse than deadslow in relation to that? Ill give you a hint, look up the list.

 

[sf49rh8r]

Since this is a totally hypothetical question let's set it up properly:

Qunicy Carter without the drug issues, playing on this team, behind this O-Line would be a better choice this year than Bledsoe IMO. He had the mobility to avoid pressure and while he didn't throw the prettiest passes around he could get them to where they needed to go.

Playing behind this O-Line, Bledsoe is the wrong choice vs almost anyone.

Just for the record, Carter was nowhere near as bad as some people like to think and Spags had a definite thing against QC and FOR Chad Hutchinson. Drugs ruined Carter's opportunity to have a career in the NFL... well that and a lack of intelligence but we won't go into that just now.

While we're on the subject of fantasizing about QBs we would rather have, we had a chance to trade up for Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft and passed on it because the braintrust felt that we were OK at QB with Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Clint Stoerner.

Great post. Although Q had his issues with drugs and might not have been the brightest bulb on the tree at least he showed drastic improvement from year one to year two. It was disappointing to watch him piss away his career but for those who love Hutch in those days....where is he? I don't see team clamouring at his door either. IMO I'd take Q also minus the drugs. At the rate he was improving there might have been a chance for him to be a functional QB. And in todays game not many teams are asking their QB's to win games...most are just being asked to manage and not lose game. Ben, Brady, Johnson and McNair...I think QB could have developed into that type of QB. He would never have Pee-on Manning type numbers but we would have been a better team....

 

[peplaw06]

And where is Carson Palmer, who according to SuperPunk is playing worse than deadslow in relation to that? Ill give you a hint, look up the list.

Get over the Carson Palmer... it was just an example. You want to know who is down the list from Bledsoe in a lot of those categories... Hasselbeck and Roethlisberger.

 

[sf49rh8r]

I would still rather have Bledsoe than Carter. I have never felt more hopeless and despondant as a Cowboys fan than when Quincy Carter was our QB. At least with Bledsoe you have some hope, and he conducts himself in a way that never makes you ashamed.

I disagree...I was pretty damned ashamed of that last through along with many others against Philly and Jacksonville. A veteran QB making these types of mistakes. Yea, embarrassed is a word I'd use.

And maybe we all were despondant back in those years we had no talent anywhere. Can't blame all of that on Q. Talentwise those two teams don't match up at all. Drew has more help yet I feel more helpless.

 

[Cochese]

Get over the Carson Palmer... it was just an example. You want to know who is down the list from Bledsoe in a lot of those categories... Hasselbeck and Roethlisberger.

That makes sense, and would have been a better example.

 

[kartr]

I am so sick and tired of the Mickey Spagnolas of the world who continue to make excuses for Deadslow and not fill up the tank of the same bus they used to drive Q-Car under.
It is amazing how just three seasons ago it was Mickey and friends who led the parade of critics of how limited Q was and how he wasnt ready.

Well in Q's third season (and parcells first) all he did was drive the bus to our first playoff game in years.

Q was not a first round draft choice, hadnt been to SBs, no Pro-Bowls, and was not on his way to the HOF!
He was thrown to the wolves as a rookie, had to learn a different offense with a different coordinator every season, and play for a lottery team with no proven weapons.

No, I am not apologizing for Q because he had his chance and made his mistakes and now he is paying for them by not being in the league.

But once, just once, I would like to hear Mickey and friends give an honest estimate of the limitations of Deadslow with the same venom they gave Q.

Let's evaluate this for a second.

Q-car didnt have nearly the weapons and talent that Deadslow has.

Q led his team to a 10-6 record (with a few loses that were real close, remember) without ever having a running game.

He had to make lemonade with the likes of a washed up emmitt or a leadfoot Hambrick.
He didnt have a receiver (TG was going thru his fragile 6 games and out stage and Galloway was no pro-bowler) and had to deal with a OL that changed weekly!
Talk about running for you life! Just think if Bledsoe( I mean Deadslow) had to play with that team and what the record would have been?

Sure, Q made his mistakes but he was in his third season for God sakes! And if you bite the bullet and admit it then you know he was actually getting better!
Now I am not apologizing for Q and saying he was the next troy but he drove the bus with the engine he was given.

And how many times did we hear parcell talk about how Q needs to learn this and he needs to do this better?

All the time! It was never good enough and he was constantly yelled at and his mistakes magnified.
And the Mickeys of the world sold their opinion to the masses. He cant do this and he cant do that.

But all he did was drive us to the playoffs with less talent, more scrutiny, more pressure, and less support.

He would have begged for a JJ or Barber that could gain a thousand yards.
Add TWO Pro-Bowl Receivers and a Pro-Bowl TE. Couple that with a OL that was serviceable.
Remember how Q was always running for his life and NEVER had time.
At least Deadslow has time to hold the ball too long.

Where r you Mickey to bash Deadslow like you did Q?

All he did was take us to the last playoff game.

Parcells, why not publicly call out Deadslow like you did Q?

No I am not saying Q was our savior.... but all he did was take us to our last playoff game with less talent and more pressure.

In his third year!

For once, just once, i want to hear an honest estimate of the Deadslow's limitations.

He is not accurate! He cant throw the deep ball! He holds the ball too long! He is very immobile! He takes too many sacks! Did I mention he is not accurate?

Sure Mickey he threw for over 3000 yards but how many yards and TDs did he leave on the field?

I know we had about 3-4 games where our kicker could have won the game but what how many times did his mistakes and "missed" opportunites" put us in that position?

Too often Deadslow is giving credit for bad throws that turn out to be great catches. TG has made him look good too many times for throws that were frankly badly thrown balls.

T.O. one TD catch for examply. TG washington td catch. TG titan td catch.

But then there are the "missed opportunities". Boy, and it is just way too many to count. T.O. has every right in the world to complain about his qb this time.
Deadslow either underthrows him (which I find so hard to understand with the speed of his receivers) or doesnt throw it.

Yes we have a very average OL that needs to play better. Not below but average. But they are not the ones throwing umpteenth ints.

Q would have tee teed on his self if he had this line with the weapons Deadslow has.

Now I will not stoop so low as to pull the race card but where are the Mickeys of the worlds and why hold a different standard for Deadslow than for Q?
If anything, he should be held to a higher standard!

And for all this talk about how Deadslow will retire if he is benched and replaced by ROMO.....

Peace! Holler! Get Gone! Bye!

I mean who cares if he wants to take his ball home if he can't play? This is a billion dollar business and a billion dollar team in net worth!

Fans pays hard earned money to watch winners and could care less if he decides to quit and take his millions and retire.
I wish I had your problem buddy!
The bottem line is he can no longer do the job and its about time that the Mickeys of the world not only admit it but write about it, just like you did to Q.

Remember all he did was take us to our last playoff game!

Its deja vue for you Deadslow and it high time you recognize that Romo is your Tom Brady with a little more spunk.

He's accurate (check out his college numbers), mobile (remember the pre-season play with the high snap), hungry,cocky, and ready to go!
All traits we as fans drool over.
How do you know he's ready until you play him? If Brady can come in as a sixth rounder and lead a team to a SB on the fly then why can't ROMO?
You kept him for a reason and the cowboys resigned for a reason.

What would you rather have? A young, mobile, cocky, accurate, and ready to play qb or a stiff, inaccurate, rattled, indecisive, veteran looking for that elusive championship?

Deadslow you are in the same boat as Kurt Warner and Evander Holyfield. Deadslow your time has passed!

NE knew it. Bills knew it! Now we know it!

And the Mickeys of the world know it too! They just won't say it.

Well Mickey I think it high time you be honest and keep it hundred with us all!

Start that engine! Fill up the tank! Put your seatbelt on (cause Jerry/Parcells will not like it). And drive that same bus you drove over Q over Deadslow.

Because even with all the tire marks you left on Q, all he did was drive us to the last playoff game we have been in!

let the debate begin!

Great Post! I've been telling these Q haters the same thing for 3 years, but I have no credibility here as I have the audacity to want a qb who can get us to the playoffs rather than one who looks like a guy who'd play qb on tv.

 

[kTXe]

Q-Bongs was a drugged out, limited talent QB

Drugged out, yes.

Limited talent, no.

 

[kartr]

I was just thinking that after reading Spags' last article.

Bledsoe is a VETERAN QB, yet Spags makes excuses.


Q was a (somewhat) DEVELOPING QB, that didn't have NEARLY the weapons around him that Bledsoe has, yet Spags treated him like the anti-christ.

Exactly, and Spags liked Hutch better than Carter even though Parcells liked Carter better and hated to let him go. Parcells didn't say the same thing about Hutch.

 

[Hostile]

Great post. Although Q had his issues with drugs and might not have been the brightest bulb on the tree at least he showed drastic improvement from year one to year two. It was disappointing to watch him piss away his career but for those who love Hutch in those days....where is he? I don't see team clamouring at his door either. IMO I'd take Q also minus the drugs. At the rate he was improving there might have been a chance for him to be a functional QB. And in todays game not many teams are asking their QB's to win games...most are just being asked to manage and not lose game. Ben, Brady, Johnson and McNair...I think QB could have developed into that type of QB. He would never have Pee-on Manning type numbers but we would have been a better team....

Outstanding sig pic.

 

[Hostile]

Great Post! I've been telling these Q haters the same thing for 3 years, but I have no credibility here as I have the audacity to want a qb who can get us to the playoffs rather than one who looks like a guy who'd play qb on tv.

That isn't why you have no credibility.

 

[kartr]

Sigh. Why do people always bring up Quincy? Because he was a bottom half of the league QB also? Because he pretty much drove himself out of the league? In a league that is starved for QB's Quincy can't get a 3rd string job.

Can't we just let the Quincy Era rest, gladly, in peace?

Let the Q-Haters let it go first. Bringing up Quincy is a reminder that we once had hope of being a playoff regular, now, we're just a mediocre team with no hope or direction.

 

[superpunk]

And where is Carson Palmer, who according to SuperPunk is playing worse than deadslow in relation to that? Ill give you a hint, look up the list.

Up til now I thought you could read.

 

[Mash]

Carter got bashed for the same things Bledsoe is getting excuses for.....

Bellichek stated in not so plain terms that Drew had all the talent but wasnt smart enough to be successfull.

We heard.....we critized..... Carter for his lack of smarts...how the field was cut in half to make his reads easier.......and now there were reports that the same thing is needed for Bledsoe....go figure...but we still make excuses.

lets see...

Drew has a strong arm....but cant anticipate a route if his life depended on it...look at game tapes.....the man is already out of his cuts and waiting for Drew....always...

Drew locks on receivers and rarely goes to the 2nd or 3rd options....when its check down time.....its usually at the recievers feet or high

Drew has no pocket presence..........and no mobilty....and does hold on to the ball to long on occasions.

Drew makes rookie mistakes....and isnt a bus driver and cant manage the clock.....and did I say he is a vet

Now we hear....if he doesnt start.....he will retire.....hmmmm.......


I dont know.....if QC performed like Drew has in the last 10-14 games....he would of been roasted....by the media and the majority of fans on this forum.

JMHO

I just find it funny......

its all preferences.....and agenda's.......

 

[Rampage]

Let the Q-Haters let it go first. Bringing up Quincy is a reminder that we once had hope of being a playoff regular, now, we're just a mediocre team with no hope or direction.

 

[ZeroClub]

Since this is a totally hypothetical question let's set it up properly:

Qunicy Carter without the drug issues, playing on this team, behind this O-Line would be a better choice this year than Bledsoe IMO. He had the mobility to avoid pressure and while he didn't throw the prettiest passes around he could get them to where they needed to go.

Playing behind this O-Line, Bledsoe is the wrong choice vs almost anyone.

Just for the record, Carter was nowhere near as bad as some people like to think and Spags had a definite thing against QC and FOR Chad Hutchinson. Drugs ruined Carter's opportunity to have a career in the NFL... well that and a lack of intelligence but we won't go into that just now.

While we're on the subject of fantasizing about QBs we would rather have, we had a chance to trade up for Carson Palmer in the 2003 draft and passed on it because the braintrust felt that we were OK at QB with Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, and Clint Stoerner.

Yeah, I was feeling optimistic about Carter's development by the end of Parcells' first year in Dallas. I thought he stood a real good chance at taking another step forward, especially with the upgrade at running back.

Oh well.

I did like the lateral movement that Carter brought to the offense (e.g., roll outs, etc.). It sure would make this offensive line's job easier if they were protecting someone more mobile.

So the Cowboys passed on the chance to trade up for Carson Palmer, huh? That stings a little (even though T-New is a fine player ....).