Bledsoe or Roethlisberger?

[demdcowboys#1]

I would pick Ben, because i am sane..........

 

[Slyster]

QB Rating is to worst stat to use when you judge a QB. Especially in this case.

Bledsoe threw the ball 231 more times then Ben did. When you only have to throw 268 times then its going to be easy to keep your rating up because that means you are running over people. I seriously doubt if Ben could keep his rating above 70 if he actaully did throw the ball 500 times.

Next idiotic statement please.

Edit: Bledsoe threw an INT every 29.3 attemps while Ben threw an INT every 29.7 attempts. That number would probably jump considerably if he did throw it more.

 

[iceberg]

Why do u think this?Bledsoe would have chewed up the seahawks with that kind of protection.My point is Ben is a game manager pure and simple,not a stellar QB.

this is one of those times i was referring to when people LOVE to put speculation on THEIR side but don't like it on the other side.

if bledsoe would have "chewed" anyone up he'd have done it by now. but if he can't "get there" then he'll never know, will he?

people get too homered on the "home team" and think players will be different just because they're OUR players now and history isn't relevant any longer unless it's applied to a player on ANOTHER team and potential is only ours.

 

[iceberg]

QB Rating is to worst stat to use when you judge a QB. Especially in this case.

Bledsoe threw the ball 231 more times then Ben did. When you only have to throw 268 times then its going to be easy to keep your rating up because that means you are running over people. I seriously doubt if Ben could keep his rating above 70 if he actaully did throw the ball 500 times.

Next idiotic statement please.

Edit: Bledsoe threw an INT every 29.3 attemps while Ben threw an INT every 29.7 attempts. That number would probably jump considerably if he did throw it more.

"probably" - i take it you never took statistics courses in college?

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

I know that Big Ben's TEAM won the superbowl last year, but the bottom line:

Bledsoe > Big Ben

Drew is an elite passing machine while Big Ben is just a game manager for a physical team that's success is based on their running game and defense.

 

[theogt]

"probably" - i take it you never took statistics courses in college?

I did, and it would probably jump if he had to throw more.

 

[iceberg]

I did, and it would probably jump if he had to throw more.

if you did (and did well) you'd not mix in the "maybe" and "probably" in your analysis. statistics are *not* that easy and certianly *not* that clear cut. do you even have enough passes *now* to get a clear sample or are you just flinging out end-numbers to bolster your side of the argument?

 

[theogt]

if you did (and did well) you'd not mix in the "maybe" and "probably" in your analysis. statistics are *not* that easy and certianly *not* that clear cut. do you even have enough passes *now* to get a clear sample or are you just flinging out end-numbers to bolster your side of the argument?

It doesn't take a sophisticated (or even unsophisticated) statistical analysis to conclude that the numbers would drop if he had to pass more. There's no real need to analyze this when its completely obvious.

 

[iceberg]

It doesn't take a sophisticated (or even unsophisticated) statistical analysis to conclude that the numbers would drop if he had to pass more. There's no real need to analyze this when its completely obvious.

you mean there's no need when you've already made your own summations and want the "evidence" to point your way.

favre's first pass was to himself. if i went your route i could simply stop there and say 100% of favres passes are to a qb. in essence you're saying "i have the results i want so i don't care to dig deeper."

fine. but that's an opinion, not statistics.

 

[Slyster]

Ben threw an INT every 18.3 attempts in games which he had 25 or more passes ( 151 total passes ).

Drew threw an INT every 27.4 attemps in games he had 25 or more passes ( 351 total passes ).

So.. It sure does look like Bens INTs would go up afterall if he did throw more.

 

[iceberg]

Ben threw an INT every 18.3 attempts in games which he had 25 or more passes ( 151 total passes ).

Drew threw an INT every 27.4 attemps in games he had 25 or more passes ( 351 total passes ).

So.. It sure does look like Bens INTs would go up afterall if he did throw more.

i'm sure it does. but the point is - is 151 passes enough to compaer to 351 *and* be statistically valid?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

QB Rating is to worst stat to use when you judge a QB. Especially in this case.

Bledsoe threw the ball 231 more times then Ben did. When you only have to throw 268 times then its going to be easy to keep your rating up because that means you are running over people. I seriously doubt if Ben could keep his rating above 70 if he actaully did throw the ball 500 times.

Next idiotic statement please.

Edit: Bledsoe threw an INT every 29.3 attemps while Ben threw an INT every 29.7 attempts. That number would probably jump considerably if he did throw it more.

I agree it's the worst stat when your man takes a back seat to some young gun-slinger who has it all over the aged and creaky vet.

 

[Slyster]

i'm sure it does. but the point is - is 151 passes enough to compaer to 351 *and* be statistically valid?

In this case I think it does. That would be an average of 30 passes over 5 games which I think is a good amount.

 

[iceberg]

In this case I think it does. That would be an average of 30 passes over 5 games which I think is a good amount.

so in 5 games, you can tell how a qb will perform over a career?

again, we're comparing a 2nd year qb to what again, a 14 year vet?

any chance at all ben will get better at some of this stuff or do his first 150 passes spell doom for his entire career on this stat?

i think not.

 

[aikemirv]

What were the stats of Bledsoe versus Roethlisberger when there were 8 men in the box.

I would be willing to bet that Roethlisberger faced better 3rd and... than Bledsoe did and I would be willing to bet that teams against Pitt used 8 in the box a lot more times than they did against the Cowboys.

Nobody needed 8 in the box to controll our running game last year.

There are so many variables, as I have said before , it is really impossible to know who would do better.

That said, when Roethlisberger was out of the Pitt lineup, they struggled on offense. He obviously is not overated and was an integral part in their success when he was on the field.

 

[Slyster]

I agree it's the worst stat when your man takes a back seat to some young gun-slinger who has it all over the aged and creaky vet.

Ben has nothing on Drew at this point in his career. He may be better later on but he isnt right now.

 

[Jarv]

Ben threw an INT every 18.3 attempts in games which he had 25 or more passes ( 151 total passes ).

Drew threw an INT every 27.4 attemps in games he had 25 or more passes ( 351 total passes ).

So.. It sure does look like Bens INTs would go up afterall if he did throw more.

Add the sacks and fumbles into this discussion of stats while your at it.

 

[Slyster]

so in 5 games, you can tell how a qb will perform over a career?

again, we're comparing a 2nd year qb to what again, a 14 year vet?

any chance at all ben will get better at some of this stuff or do his first 150 passes spell doom for his entire career on this stat?

i think not.

I was comparing what happened last year and not what will happen in the future. Right now I would take Bledsoe. Wasnt that the point of the thread anyway?

 

[Zaxor]

Why do u think this?Bledsoe would have chewed up the seahawks with that kind of protection.My point is Ben is a game manager pure and simple,not a stellar QB.

Because he has been sacked 451 times...
Because he has 198 Ints in 188 games played
Because he has 120 Fumbles in 188 games played
Because he has career completion percentage of 57.3
Because he has a career yardage per attempt 6.64
Because he ranks 180th for points per yards
Because he has shown he cracks under pressure
Because for the most part the running game suffers with him

Post-season records and statistics

• 4-3 in the post-season
• 252 passes attempted
• 129 passes completed
• 1335 passing yards (190.7 ypg)
• 6 passing touchdowns
• 12 passes intercepted
• 21 passing attempts per interception in the post-season
• 17 sacks
• 4 fumbles
• 51.2 completion%
• QBR of 54.9

The dude is absolutely positively no where near elite... and no one you would like to have in post season or when the pressure is on

He has finished last or next to last (when he was a starter) either 9 - 12 or 10 - 13 times in his division...(now sometimes that was with a winning record but still you have to win the division if you want a better chance to play in the superbowl)

and with Bledsoe it is ALWAYS the Offensive lines fault

 

[Slyster]

Add the sacks and fumbles into this discussion of stats while your at it.

It goes down to 21 attemps per turnover which is still better than Ben.