Bledsoe vs Brunell, the debate continues

Hostile said:
QB rating is a virtually useless stat though.
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Many here have sworn by it as a measuring stick. Many in the media too. Many here and in the media have ignored won/loss record in favor the rating. People here seem to think that Bledsoe's qb rating here means something even though we didn't make the playoffs again.
 
JIGGYFLY said:
You do realize that Moss was hurt a significant amount of time his last 2 years in Minn and Culpeper still put up good numbers and also last year was his first under a new off coordinator. I guess its just easier to blame it all on Cullpeper because Moss sure made the QB of the Raiders allpro last year didnt he :rolleyes:
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Yup..in 1/2 season Culpepper threw for 6 touchdowns vs. 12 ints last year. He was a regular stud :)
 
kartr said:
Many here have sworn by it as a measuring stick. Many in the media too. Many here and in the media have ignored won/loss record in favor the rating. People here seem to think that Bledsoe's qb rating here means something even though we didn't make the playoffs again.
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Until QC can manage to get himself back into the league, the point is baseless. Drew Bledsoe's QB rating of 83.7 is nothing to write home about but it is also not the primary reason we missed the playoffs IMO. Did he help us to get in? No, but then again, we really haven't had a QB help us to get in the playoffs since Aikman so it's not something I'd stand point on.

Our OL must improve. We must be able to run the football when we have to. We must be able to stop the run when we have to. We must be able to get pressure when we have to. We must take care of the football and we must keep Bledsoe up right. If we can do these things, I believe we can be a playoff team. When and if that happens, Bledsoe will be no more responsible or no less responsible for the teams success then was Carter.
 
kartr said:
Simply not true, Holcomb had a higher qb rating than Bledsoe behind that same line, and he's just a journeyman.
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Are you referring to the Holcomb that whose stats annualized last year would be 2,300 yds passing, 16 tds and 14 ints, compared to Bledsoe's 3,600yds, 23tds and 17ints? I do agree the INTs were close but that was about it.

As for rating, he was only higher because he handed everything off and hardly threw the ball further than 5 yds. And that was because the coaches didn't trust him.

A 5 and 11 season is all you really need to know about Holcomb.
 
Here's how I see it:

If the OL gives good to very good protection for both, I would prefer Bledsoe to Brunell.

If both get average to below average protection, I would say it is a toss up.

If both get poor protection, I would take Brunell.

I have to say that I never really wanted Bledsoe here as I thought he just didn't have the ability to feel the rush and his mechanics didn't look that good, but I was pleasantly suprised with how he did last year.

The big thing that Bledsoe needs is protection (and a good running game wouldn't help). With TO and Glenn and Witten, we have plenty of weapons. I am just concerned about protecting him. If he gets good protection, I think we can play at a very high level.
 
dboyz said:
Here's how I see it:

If the OL gives good to very good protection for both, I would prefer Bledsoe to Brunell.

If both get average to below average protection, I would say it is a toss up.

If both get poor protection, I would take Brunell.

I have to say that I never really wanted Bledsoe here as I thought he just didn't have the ability to feel the rush and his mechanics didn't look that good, but I was pleasantly suprised with how he did last year.

The big thing that Bledsoe needs is protection (and a good running game wouldn't help). With TO and Glenn and Witten, we have plenty of weapons. I am just concerned about protecting him. If he gets good protection, I think we can play at a very high level.
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You know, one can argue till cows come home about how protection will enable Bledsoe to be a top QB. What people will never consider is, while trying to throw stats to support their argument is, how much pressure Bledsoe puts the OL and rest of the Offense when he holds onto the ball instead of dumping it off quickly.

Which means a D has more of chance to get to Bledsoe if they blitz more. Which in turns makes it harder to run the ball too. So its a snowball effect, especially once D Co-ordinators figure out Bledsoe and the Offense.

What makes me optimistic about Bledsoe this year is, TO. I don't like TO, but there is no denying, that he can take to the house with even a short pass. I am hoping that will encourage Bledsoe a lot in dumping off the ball quickly instead of trying to look for big play and coming to dump offs too late.

Plus if Fasano proves to be good enough, its further one more option to dump it off, and it also releaves OL of pressure of being perfect on their blocking. Which in turns makes D blitz less etc. Its again, I am hoping a snowball effect on the opposite side this time.
 
Actually blitzing Bledsoe is a mistake- he can check off and burn a blitz. Last year no one needed to blitz from game 6 on since they could get to him without it. There is this myth that Bledsoe held onto the ball and that is why there were so many sacks. If that is the case why did they only get to him 13 times in the first 6 games? Then 36 times in the next 10? He was not holding onto the ball any more- but the line could not give him even minimal protection most of the time. He was getting hit just about the time he set up. He hardly ever had more then a couple of seconds to throw. So he was NOT holding onto the ball- he was not given time to do that.
 
kartr said:
Many here have sworn by it as a measuring stick. Many in the media too. Many here and in the media have ignored won/loss record in favor the rating. People here seem to think that Bledsoe's qb rating here means something even though we didn't make the playoffs again.
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There are always people who go overboard with regards to stats. So what? Does it hurt your feelings or something?

The bottom line is Bledsoe is a far better QB than Holcomb. Period.
 
burmafrd said:
The 2002 Bills had a pretty decent offense, but their D let them down at critical times. After that they went downhill fast. Their O line was ok but deteriorated badly after 02. for some reason they were not too bad at run blocking but they SUCKED as pass blockers; as Losman and Holcomb found out last year.
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Pretty good assessment.....In 2002 Bledsoe was sacked 54 times!!! (his career high for a season was 55 in 1999). Now also keep in mind that this was the year that he passed for 4359 yards....2nd best in his career, and also shattered a ton of buffalo franchise passing records (most held by HOF'er Jim Kelly from the early 90's).

So lets move forward to 2006.....let's hypothesize and say our offensive line doesn't improve from 2005.....So even if Drew gets sacked 45-55 times....Does anybody really think that Bledsoe can't have a season like he did in 2002 consider these KEY factors:

T.O > Eric Moulds

T Glenn > Peerless Price

Julius Jones > Travis Henry

Witten/Fasano > Jay Riemersma

Something to think hard about......

~The Answer
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Until QC can manage to get himself back into the league, the point is baseless. Drew Bledsoe's QB rating of 83.7 is nothing to write home about but it is also not the primary reason we missed the playoffs IMO. Did he help us to get in? No, but then again, we really haven't had a QB help us to get in the playoffs since Aikman so it's not something I'd stand point on.
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But he did give the team a chance to make it with a few comeback wins ( not going to even bother bringing up all those missed FGs :banghead: ).
 
Bledsoe is better than Lefty.

With TO now - look out for this offense. All single season team passing records are at risk.
 
There's no question here...I like Bledsoe, but I think Brunell is a better strategically offensive-wise.

DC's (Defensive Coordinators) have to flip around their playbook to account for the left-handed throwing techniques of Mark Brunell. Hopefully Chris Simms can do the same for the Pewter Pirates.
 
Pittman4Two said:
There's no question here...I like Bledsoe, but I think Brunell is a better strategically offensive-wise.

DC's (Defensive Coordinators) have to flip around their playbook to account for the left-handed throwing techniques of Mark Brunell. Hopefully Chris Simms can do the same for the Pewter Pirates.
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:lmao2:

You cant be serious.
 
I really doubt that being left handed really bothers any D coordinator that much. And Brunnel is not likely to last 16 games for a second season in a row- since it has not happened in his career.
 
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