Bledsoe vs Brunell, the debate continues

[MichaelWinicki]

Shhhhhhhhh....I was going to ask him to marry me...don't ruin the surprise.

I truly hope that Hos catches the bouquet.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Is it me, or is it getting hot in here?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

potentially better receivers.

our potential of our WR corp is pretty good, TO will be TO for about another 3 years, minimum, TG is still very fast and has some of the best hands and acceleration in the game, he'll be at this level for another 2 years, Crayton is big and smooth, and has some great hands, Mark Clayton said Skyler Green was LSU's best WR, and he was unguardable at Senior Bowl workout

 

[Bob Sacamano]

AND that defenses started to "figure out" how to stop this offense much like they did to Bledsoe/Buffalo in 2002.

and Vinny in '04, Quincy in '03 and so on

 

[jazzcat22]

the thing I hate about DREW BLEDSOE is that every once in a while he makes rookie mistakes.... last year in SEATTLE with like 10 seconds on the clock after a timeout no less from his own 35 he throws a pick!!! I'm not saying the boys would have won in OT but it would have been nice to see him sit on it no matter what the coaches told him to do!!! Granted I blame the coaches as much as I blame DREW... but Drew was the one that read (or didnt) the coverage and threw the ball!!!


If Bledsoe respects his limitations he will lead the NFC in passer ratings!!!


Brunell was a product of a very good WR duo!!! If ART MONK is a HOF then McCardell and Jimmy Smith are FBHOF!!!

ALL QB's make those mistakes.

BRETT FAVRE !!!! makes them several times a game

 

[5Stars]

ALL QB's make those mistakes.

BRETT FAVRE !!!! makes them several times a game

I bet MONT17 dont' hate McSlob for MAKING the same KIND of throw that RESULTED in the LOSS to the Cowboys! He will probably SAY that even though McSlob MADE that pass it was BECAUSE that was THE play that was called and McSlob HAD to pass the BALL there.

MONT17 don't know WHAT he is talking ABOUT most of the TIME, he just wants to WHINE...and there is A reason for THAT...if you KNOW what I mean.

 

[JMead]

I see the 2002 season being thrown around here like it means something. The fact is that through the first 8 games teams were trying to cover all of Buffalos weapons which included Moulds , Price , Remiersma , Centers , Henry and Reed ( was a great slot guy his rookie year ) but NE laid the blueprint on how to slow down the Bills offense. I remember before the game where Belichick said that the Bills offensive line was crap ( he didnt say crap though ) and how to beat them was to blitz every down.

Ofcourse even after teams started blitzing all the time Kevin Gilbride ( or Keven Killadrive to Bills fans ) kept using 5 and 7 step drops instead of quick passes. Still it would have been tough for the Bills to do much anyway considering their defense was 27th in scoring. So games that they won 30 - 28 and 34 - 30 early on were turning into loses and teams were using more ball control to help the cause.

So the 2002 season was hardly on Bledsoe. After 2002 the Bills let most of their offense go and to top it off Moulds had a groin injury in 03 to leave noone to throw to... and Gilbride still tried to run his offense.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I see the 2002 season being thrown around here like it means something. The fact is that through the first 8 games teams were trying to cover all of Buffalos weapons which included Moulds , Price , Remiersma , Centers , Henry and Reed ( was a great slot guy his rookie year ) but NE laid the blueprint on how to slow down the Bills offense. I remember before the game where Belichick said that the Bills offensive line was crap ( he didnt say crap though ) and how to beat them was to blitz every down.

Ofcourse even after teams started blitzing all the time Kevin Gilbride ( or Keven Killadrive to Bills fans ) kept using 5 and 7 step drops instead of quick passes. Still it would have been tough for the Bills to do much anyway considering their defense was 27th in scoring. So games that they won 30 - 28 and 34 - 30 early on were turning into loses and teams were using more ball control to help the cause.

So the 2002 season was hardly on Bledsoe. After 2002 the Bills let most of their offense go and to top it off Moulds had a groin injury in 03 to leave noone to throw to... and Gilbride still tried to run his offense.

I never said the 2002 season "was on Bledsoe". I said that after the first 8 games, defenses started to "school" him.

Don't pin the proliferation of 5 and 7 step drops just on the coaching staff of the Bills during the 2002 season. Bledsoe loves the deep ball to the point of it being a detriment.

Teams weren't constantly blitzing the second half of the 2002 season either. There were balancing the blitz with the effective use of the two-deep zone to take away the long pass.

 

[illone]

Touchy touchy....

OK...you weren't singing them.

BUt I distinctly heard humming.

Go back and read my first post in this thread.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Lets all agree that neither is great, but both good, and in the top 16 in the league at their position.

Brunell has durability issues.
Bledsoe has deep ballitis issues, and an obvious lack of mobility.

 

[Cowchips]

Lets all agree that neither is great, but both good, and in the top 16 in the league at their position.

Brunell has durability issues.
Bledsoe has deep ballitis issues, and an obvious lack of mobility.

How often do you think Bledsoe audibilizes a deep pass? Try never. The deep pass is in the playbook because Bledsoe has the best arm in football. I dont agree with it because it is low % but you can't hang it's use on Bledsoe either.

 

[burmafrd]

I notice that Bledsoe's critics do not want to talk about the coaching or the play calling while he was at Buffalo. Wonder why?

 

[SkinsandTerps]

How often do you think Bledsoe audibilizes a deep pass? Try never. The deep pass is in the playbook because Bledsoe has the best arm in football. I dont agree with it because it is low % but you can't hang it's use on Bledsoe either.

Have you watched the guys career ? Or do you know how playbooks work ? Most passing situations there is a deep ball option. Bledsoe has a knack for keying on that guy, and going for that shot.

I notice that Bledsoe's critics do not want to talk about the coaching or the play calling while he was at Buffalo. Wonder why?

I notice apologists never want to mention his coaching/play calling under Pete Carroll (Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer) and Bill Belichik. Not to mention being picked by Parcells #1 overall.

 

[jimmy40]

I notice that Bledsoe's critics do not want to talk about the coaching or the play calling while he was at Buffalo. Wonder why?

I noticed before Bledsoe became a Cowboy I couldn't find 3 Cowboys fans that thought Bledsoe was worth a nickle. Wonder why?

 

[jimmy40]

Have you watched the guys career ? Or do you know how playbooks work ? Most passing situations there is a deep ball option. Bledsoe has a knack for keying on that guy, and going for that shot.



I notice apologists never want to mention his coaching/play calling under Pete Carroll (Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer) and Bill Belichik. Not to mention being picked by Parcells #1 overall.

Pete Carroll pretty much sucked until he went to the Pac 10 and his team had too much talent for even him to screw up.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Pete Carroll pretty much sucked until he went to the Pac 10 and his team had too much talent for even him to screw up.

As a former DC, he knows what a QB should be looking for. Or at least he should know. USC went around .500 in Carroll's first year.

Carroll coached the Pats for 3 years, making the playoffs 2 of the three and winning one of 3 games.

Maybe Bledsoe killed his NFL career in the short term.

 

[ConcreteBoy]

I never said the 2002 season "was on Bledsoe". I said that after the first 8 games, defenses started to "school" him.

Don't pin the proliferation of 5 and 7 step drops just on the coaching staff of the Bills during the 2002 season. Bledsoe loves the deep ball to the point of it being a detriment.

Teams weren't constantly blitzing the second half of the 2002 season either. There were balancing the blitz with the effective use of the two-deep zone to take away the long pass.

Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl, and elevated the bills back to winning in 2002. I believe the 2001 Bills were 3-13. Bills have tanked since he left. That offensive line was absolutely horrendous.

 

[Gamebreaker]

The deep pass is in the playbook because Bledsoe has the best arm in football.

Oh stop, that is just ridiculous. He has a really good arm, but I don't think he's EVER had the best arm in football.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl, and elevated the bills back to winning in 2002. I believe the 2001 Bills were 3-13. Bills have tanked since he left. That offensive line was absolutely horrendous.

The Bills have not made the post season in 7 years... 3 of which Bledsoe was their starting QB.

I think there are many culpable parties.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How often do you think Bledsoe audibilizes a deep pass? Try never. The deep pass is in the playbook because Bledsoe has the best arm in football. I dont agree with it because it is low % but you can't hang it's use on Bledsoe either.

Cowpie... it's like this... it's not a case of "audibiling for a deep pass".

On many plays there is a "deep" option-- the QB does not have to audible for it. And when I say "deep"... it doesn't have to be a 40 yard route either. Generally speaking anything more than 15 yards can be considered a deep pattern.

The QB then considers his different "reads" and should go to the receiver that offers the greatest chance of success given the current circumstances of the game along with the desire of the coaching staff.

Drew Bledsoe often favors the receiver that is going "deeper" than the other receivers. He likes the "big" play-- there is no denying that.

The problem is that he "falls in love" with deep patterns AND he appears to be very slow at checking down to other receivers.

That's the entire Drew Bledsoe problem in a nutshell.