Bledsoe vs Brunell, the debate continues

[The Answer]

Cowpie... it's like this... it's not a case of "audibiling for a deep pass".

On many plays there is a "deep" option-- the QB does not have to audible for it. And when I say "deep"... it doesn't have to be a 40 yard route either. Generally speaking anything more than 15 yards can be considered a deep pattern.

The QB then considers his different "reads" and should go to the receiver that offers the greatest chance of success given the current circumstances of the game along with the desire of the coaching staff.

Drew Bledsoe often favors the receiver that is going "deeper" than the other receivers. He likes the "big" play-- there is no denying that.

The problem is that he "falls in love" with deep patterns AND he appears to be very slow at checking down to other receivers.

That's the entire Drew Bledsoe problem in a nutshell.

It's hard to check down and find the secondary options when your line plays like Dog Doo and you have no time to throw the football...going back to the late 90's when New England was rebuilding and on the decline, to the 3 years in Buffalo (who has had serious oline issues ever since their glory days in the early 90's), and even last year after the hotel went down.....this has been the true Bledsoe problem....but yet he's still managed to destroy opposing secondaries when given a few extra seconds....

~The Answer

 

[SkinsandTerps]

It's hard to check down and find the secondary options when your line plays like Dog Doo and you have no time to throw the football...going back to the late 90's when New England was rebuilding and on the decline, to the 3 years in Buffalo (who has had serious oline issues ever since their glory days in the early 90's), and even last year after the hotel went down.....this has been the true Bledsoe problem....but yet he's still managed to destroy opposing secondaries when given a few extra seconds....

~The Answer

Unfortunately for Bledsoe holding is called far too often I guess.

Most QBs could look great at times with a solid OL. Take Green, Brady, Big Ben, and Hasselbeck as good examples.

 

[kartr]

Very true.

Bledsoe hasn't taken a team to the playoffs since '98, or is that a magnification by the media and his critics.

 

[The Answer]

Unfortunately for Bledsoe holding is called far too often I guess.

Most QBs could look great at times with a solid OL. Take Green, Brady, Big Ben, and Hasselbeck as good examples.

It's too bad that most other fans realized this....a perfect example that The Answer keeps citing is Peyton Manning's most recent choke job. He was manhandled all day against the steelers aggressive 3-4 scheme and only really had one or two 'ok' offensive series in that game, then went as far as blaming his oline for his pathetic performance. Even Bledsoe has looked FAR better when the oline hasn't been up to par....going further, both Big Ben and Hasslebach looked horrible in the superbowl when defense dominated the game, but hey somebody had to win.....

~The Answer

 

[kartr]

Here come the poor line and poor running game excuses... Oh yeah I forget, I am hate Bledsoe, thats why I don't like those excuses

Yeah, everywhere he goes, it's the coaches that don't know how to use him, or the ol or running backs or the receivers, or the cheerleaders .........

 

[SkinsandTerps]

It's too bad that most other fans realized this....a perfect example that The Answer keeps citing is Peyton Manning's most recent choke job. He was manhandled all day against the steelers aggressive 3-4 scheme and only really had one or two 'ok' offensive series in that game, then went as far as blaming his oline for his pathetic performance. Even Bledsoe has looked FAR better when the oline hasn't been up to par....going further, both Big Ben and Hasslebach looked horrible in the superbowl when defense dominated the game, but hey somebody had to win.....

~The Answer

Where did I mention Manning ?

 

[kartr]

1. Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer (youth)
4. Ben
4 1/2. Hasselback
5.Mcnabb
6.Culpepper
7.Trent Green
8.Brees
9. Delhomme
maybe Mcnair still
than Bledsoe for me

Exactly. McNair and Bledsoe had almost identical qb ratings, yet Bledsoe clearly had the better supporting cast and played in the weaker conference
which clearly indicates that last years' team carried Bledsoe more than him carrying our team. We should have moved on McNair and traded Bledsoe to the Browns for a fourth round draft pick and drafted Omar Jacobs with that pick.

 

[burmafrd]

The 2002 Bills had a pretty decent offense, but their D let them down at critical times. After that they went downhill fast. Their O line was ok but deteriorated badly after 02. for some reason they were not too bad at run blocking but they SUCKED as pass blockers; as Losman and Holcomb found out last year.

 

[burmafrd]

McNair when he is healthy is still a very good QB. But how in the world you could say Culpepper is better then Bledsoe? The ONLY reason Culpepper has ever looked good was Randy Moss. Last year without him Culpepper was totally lost. McFlabb is also not there- professional chokers need not apply.
I would put Bledsoe at about # 8 in the NFL. Trent Green never gets any credit it seems- but the guy is good.

 

[kartr]

I noticed before Bledsoe became a Cowboy I couldn't find 3 Cowboys fans that thought Bledsoe was worth a nickle. Wonder why?

Some of us still don't think he's worth a nickle and that's because after 13 years in the league, he still throws into coverage and holds the ball too long.
If he hasn't figured it out by now...........

 

[kartr]

Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl, and elevated the bills back to winning in 2002. I believe the 2001 Bills were 3-13. Bills have tanked since he left. That offensive line was absolutely horrendous.

Simply not true, Holcomb had a higher qb rating than Bledsoe behind that same line, and he's just a journeyman.

 

[Hostile]

Simply not true, Holcomb had a higher qb rating than Bledsoe behind that same line, and he's just a journeyman.

QB rating is a virtually useless stat though.

 

[kartr]

The Bills have not made the post season in 7 years... 3 of which Bledsoe was their starting QB.

I think there are many culpable parties.

But the main one is Bledsoe cause neither the Pats or Bills and now Cowboys have made the playoffs with Bledsoe in recent years.In fact, the best opportunity for us to make the playoffs with Bledsoe came last year when McNabb was hurt and TO suspended, Bulger was hurt, Eli Manning was in his first full year as a starter, Chris Simms was getting his first starting experience and Culpepper was hurt for the Vikings and Moss was in Oakland. Over the last few years, so many young and inexperienced qbs as well as journeymen qb's have gotten their teams to the playoffs, yet the great Bledsoe can't get it done, yeah I know, it's always somebody else' fault.

 

[illone]

Simply not true, Holcomb had a higher qb rating than Bledsoe behind that same line, and he's just a journeyman.

Nevermind the fact that the Bills coaching staff has done a complete turnover since Bledsoe was there.

 

[kartr]

Cowpie... it's like this... it's not a case of "audibiling for a deep pass".

On many plays there is a "deep" option-- the QB does not have to audible for it. And when I say "deep"... it doesn't have to be a 40 yard route either. Generally speaking anything more than 15 yards can be considered a deep pattern.

The QB then considers his different "reads" and should go to the receiver that offers the greatest chance of success given the current circumstances of the game along with the desire of the coaching staff.

Drew Bledsoe often favors the receiver that is going "deeper" than the other receivers. He likes the "big" play-- there is no denying that.

The problem is that he "falls in love" with deep patterns AND he appears to be very slow at checking down to other receivers.

That's the entire Drew Bledsoe problem in a nutshell.

I agree completely, yet he doesn't have the intelligence to change his tactics, but we're still supposed to believe in him and blame his critics.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

McNair when he is healthy is still a very good QB. But how in the world you could say Culpepper is better then Bledsoe? The ONLY reason Culpepper has ever looked good was Randy Moss. Last year without him Culpepper was totally lost. McFlabb is also not there- professional chokers need not apply.
I would put Bledsoe at about # 8 in the NFL. Trent Green never gets any credit it seems- but the guy is good.

You do realize that Moss was hurt a significant amount of time his last 2 years in Minn and Culpeper still put up good numbers and also last year was his first under a new off coordinator. I guess its just easier to blame it all on Cullpeper because Moss sure made the QB of the Raiders allpro last year didnt he

 

[burmafrd]

I watched a fiar number of Viking games- and Moss made a lot of catches that made Culpepper look good. Isn't it interesting how bad Culpepper looked after Moss was gone. Culpepper was a turnover machine as well, and maybe he has gotten better at that, but he sure did plenty last year.

 

[Sonny#9]

I watched a fiar number of Viking games- and Moss made a lot of catches that made Culpepper look good. Isn't it interesting how bad Culpepper looked after Moss was gone. Culpepper was a turnover machine as well, and maybe he has gotten better at that, but he sure did plenty last year.

Culpepper has never been able to read a defense. With Moss in the line up he was on a record pace, however when he was out, he fell off that pace pretty badly.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

You two still fail to account for all the games Moss missed the previous 2 years.

 

[kartr]

Nevermind the fact that the Bills coaching staff has done a complete turnover since Bledsoe was there.

Still the same personnel, player wise.