Blockbuster Trade: Dallas Stars land Tyler Seguin

[RastaRocket]

Also, that article is full of garbage.

@DennisTFP: Boston Herald report about Tyler Seguin locked down in hotel during playoffs with room guarded as accurate as that fake Bob Mac tweet.

@DennisTFP: @azizk47 first hand knowledge Boston Herald report on Seguin inaccurate

Kid definitely likes to party, but he is only 21 years old and still gets his job done. Stars need a young core of players and it is complete now (1st line that is). Benn/Seguin/Nichushkin. Boom!

 

[Rogah]

I'm not so sure this is as good for the Stars as many in here think. There's a reason the Bruins got rid of him. Last night he showed his maturity and tweeted “Only steers and queers in Texas, and I’m not a cow." so that's what he thinks of all of us. Yes, he claimed his account was hacked. Of course anyone that believes that is welcome to buy some great Florida swampland.

 

[RastaRocket]

I'm not so sure this is as good for the Stars as many in here think. There's a reason the Bruins got rid of him. Last night he showed his maturity and tweeted “Only steers and queers in Texas, and I’m not a cow." so that's what he thinks of all of us. Yes, he claimed his account was hacked. Of course anyone that believes that is welcome to buy some great Florida swampland.

Well, if you are around the age of 21 you understand twitter "hacking" is very common. He should just keep his phone on him at all times, especially being famous. Do you honestly think he stupid enough to say that on twitter right as he is traded? Why would he ever purposely do that? He's already had conference calls with the media and talked about what he is looking forward to doing in Dallas; and seemed about as excited as a player can be post trade at the opportunity to be the #1 center for the first time in his career. He talked about making new friends and all that good stuff you want to hear prior to "the tweet".

Here is the definition of "hacking" for you.... It is not what you think. However, Tyler may spin it off as that so he doesn't blame a friend. His friend takes his phone/computer and hits the twitter app and says this. It's happened to me plenty of times, but good thing I am not famous for people to care. It is always some stupid joke. Also, going to college in Indiana I've heard my fair share of 20 year old kids making steers and queer jokes about Texas.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hacking

The reason Seguin and Peverly were traded is simple... the new CBA. Boston needs room for the major deal they are about to hand Tuukka Rask. With a smaller cap hit, Tyler never leaves Boston.

 

[RastaRocket]

If you want more examples of "hacking" all you have to do is search "facebook status hack" or "twitter status hack" and you will get all kinds of things I can't post.

I'm just looking forward to Tyler coming in with a chip on his shoulder from the Toronto/Boston shamming party that has just hit him. You have the Toronto fans/media all over him because he is from there and they are trying to justify the Kessel trade and now you have Boston all over him for the same reason. Sure, he's not perfect but this is just ridiculous. I can't wait for training camp (Cowboys) when the Dallas media could care less about him all the way through the next draft or whatever. I really think he will enjoy Dallas, he will be able to live in peace soon and focus on hockey.

 

[Rogah]

Well, if you are around the age of 21 you understand twitter "hacking" is very common. He should just keep his phone on him at all times, especially being famous. Do you honestly think he stupid enough to say that on twitter right as he is traded?

Given his history of saying stupid things, yes.

Here is the definition of "hacking" for you.... It is not what you think.

I know exactly what hacking means in this context. I'm just not stupid enough to believe that post was made by anyone other than him.

Like I said: There's a reason Boston got rid of him (and it has nothing to do with the salary cap).

 

[FiveRings]

Fairly fair trade for both sides, but I really think the Stars got the better end of it. Seguin is already so good, and has an even higher ceiling.

 

[Vtwin]

The reason Seguin and Peverly were traded is simple... the new CBA. Boston needs room for the major deal they are about to hand Tuukka Rask. With a smaller cap hit, Tyler never leaves Boston.

Peverly, yes. Seguin, no.

Especially with Horton deciding to leave. They are paying Iginla more than Seguin's cap hit for next season.

Seguin regressed in both play and attitude this season. To the point where he was called out by Patrice Bergeron of all people.Think about this: if the Bruins second overall draft pick, with gobs of talent and "ceiling" had managed to score just THREE goals in the finals he would have won his team a championship and been able to party and tweet his *** off and nobody would have cared. Instead, he is out getting hammered enough to leave his phone laying around to be "hacked" while Bergeron is playing through broken ribs.

The cap has nothing to do with Seguin being shipped out of Boston.He punched his own ticket out with a poor attitude and poor work ethic. He's young, maybe this is the shot across his bow that is needed for him to get it. You will love his shootout moves at the very least..

Boston is a much better team next season with Ericksson and Iginla in and Seguin and Peverly out.

 

[RastaRocket]

Given his history of saying stupid things, yes.

I know exactly what hacking means in this context. I'm just not stupid enough to believe that post was made by anyone other than him.

Like I said: There's a reason Boston got rid of him (and it has nothing to do with the salary cap).

Right, so he gets traded to Dallas and decides to come out of the closet and call himself a queer because he's not a cow?

 

[RastaRocket]

Peverly, yes. Seguin, no.

Especially with Horton deciding to leave. They are paying Iginla more than Seguin's cap hit for next season.

Seguin regressed in both play and attitude this season. To the point where he was called out by Patrice Bergeron of all people.Think about this: if the Bruins second overall draft pick, with gobs of talent and "ceiling" had managed to score just THREE goals in the finals he would have won his team a championship and been able to party and tweet his *** off and nobody would have cared. Instead, he is out getting hammered enough to leave his phone laying around to be "hacked" while Bergeron is playing through broken ribs.

The cap has nothing to do with Seguin being shipped out of Boston.He punched his own ticket out with a poor attitude and poor work ethic. He's young, maybe this is the shot across his bow that is needed for him to get it. You will love his shootout moves at the very least..

Boston is a much better team next season with Ericksson and Iginla in and Seguin and Peverly out.

The cap hit is the #1 reason Seguin was traded. Sure, he has some maturity issues but at a lower salary he never leaves Boston.

 

[Vtwin]

LOL.
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. What would this fanatical, life long Bruins fan know about the Bruins...

Think about what you are saying for a second. Why would a team that's biggest problem is scoring goals trade away their own very very high draft pick who's best skill is scoring goals after just his second full season and barely into the contract that they happily offered him?

This scenario is even more ridiculous when you consider one of the teams top scorer's (Nathan Horton) unexpectedly walks away freeing up salary and creating even more of a goal scoring problem? Doesn't that solve the cap issue right there?

Believe what you want but the Bruins cut bait on Seguin and the cap had nothing to do with it.

 

[RastaRocket]

Well considering at this point Loui has shown he can put up more points than Seguin it's not like you got worse at scoring lol.

Cheaper option, similar production for now, and a veteran for a veteran team. It's a good deal for both sides. Boston gets cap space and Loui, while Dallas gets the #1C they needed.

The shamming party will continue but that is not why the trade was made. Your not the only "lifelong, fanatical" Bruins fan that I have heard from about this trade. I disagree with your view on the trade.

Oh, and as a lifelong, fanatical Bruins fan you can go ahead and ask Kessel why the Bruins would ever trade away young prospects.

 

[RastaRocket]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/bruins/post/_/id/13437/chiarelli-explains-decision-to-trade-seguin

There ya go, real interviews from the people actually involved in this trade. Not shame land.

 

[Vtwin]

I think you mean you "hope" Dallas got the #1 center they need. Seguin couldn't keep a spot on the first line in Boston, ended up playing on the third line which was by far Boston's weak link. Why do you think that was? You didn't address the point about Horton leaving and how that left them wide open to keep Sequin if they wanted to. Hell, they actually had Seguin for pretty cheap if you want to consider him a "#1 center". Maybe not so good a deal for a 3rd line winger who can't play the pk and doesn't want to get dirty though...

You need to do your homework on the Kessel situation. Hint: it wasn't the Bruins that wanted out of that situation. Kessel forced that trade.

 

[RastaRocket]

Where does Seguin fit on Boston's Stanley Cup finals team on the #1 line? It's a completely different situation in Dallas. He doesn't fit at center in Boston but he is already better than any center in Dallas. So yes, we did get a #1 center.

Your talking about a kid who is 21 years old. How many 21 year old kids are even on an NHL roster at this moment? He is the most experienced 21 year old (by games played) in the entire NHL. I'm not sure how him playing on the 3rd line in his second Stanley Cup finals at 21 years old is an insult to his game.

 

[Vtwin]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/bruins/post/_/id/13437/chiarelli-explains-decision-to-trade-seguin

There ya go, real interviews from the people actually involved in this trade. Not shame land.

Really?

You take this

Less than a week ago, Chiarelli told reporters after the NHL draft that Seguin needed to be a better pro. After the trade was complete, Chiarelli reiterated his comments but added nothing but praise for the former No. 2 overall pick in 2010.
"I think what's important to remember about Tyler is that he came here with much pomp and circumstance and he played very well for a young player," Chiarelli said. "This year wasn't his best year, but it was a trying year and a weird year to assess players. Tyler's a real good kid. I know I see the Twitter-verse, whatever it's called, and a lot of these reports about his extracurricular stuff, and I've made comments that due to his professionalism and acting more like a professional, but what has to be remembered in all this is that he's 21 years old. He's a good kid, and he's a terrific player. He's probably better suited for center. He was very good for us as a winger."

as an endorsement of his maturity and professionalism?

I'm not seeing the part where Chia says anything about the cap and its effect on his decision to pull the trigger. Where are you getting that from?

Seguin was called out publically by his GM and a highly respected team leader. Neither of these guys have a history of talking crap for no reason, if ever. I'm not seeing what you're seeing here.

I think they call this "whistling past the graveyard".

 

[RastaRocket]

I also see a GM and player calling BS with all the shamming that is going on.

As for the cap...

"There was an opportunity to get a very good player, get some good prospects and to lower your cap," said Chiareli. "And then maybe to improve in the next market (free agency) starting tomorrow." - See more at: http://bostonherald.com/sports/brui..._rich_peverley_to_dallas#sthash.G94domjv.dpuf

 

[Vtwin]

Where does Seguin fit on Boston's Stanley Cup finals team on the #1 line? It's a completely different situation in Dallas. He doesn't fit at center in Boston but he is already better than any center in Dallas. So yes, we did get a #1 center.

Your talking about a kid who is 21 years old. How many 21 year old kids are even on an NHL roster at this moment? He is the most experienced 21 year old (by games played) in the entire NHL. I'm not sure how him playing on the 3rd line in his second Stanley Cup finals at 21 years old is an insult to his game.

The point you are missing is that over the season he played his way DOWN to the third line. Barely saw any PP time. He got his chances. He couldn't get off the third line to take 50 year old Jagr's spot or Horton with his seperated shoulder spot. This on a team who couldn't score a goal to save their lives some nights.

Don't make the mistake of thinking this bad press he is getting just suddenly started. The whispers started summer 2011.

 

[RastaRocket]

The point you are missing is that over the season he played his way DOWN to the third line. Barely saw any PP time. He got his chances. He couldn't get off the third line to take 50 year old Jagr's spot or Horton with his seperated shoulder spot. This on a team who couldn't score a goal to save their lives some nights.

Don't make the mistake of thinking this bad press he is getting just suddenly started. The whispers started summer 2011.

I'm aware it hasn't just started, but I also believe what Tyler does is being blown way out of proportion. If you think Chiarelli fleeced Dallas by sending a bust to Dallas you're crazy. Jim Nill is one of the most respected front office managers in all of hockey and you can bet he did his homework. This isn't Joe Nieuwendyk making the trade here. However, thanks for the 1st rd pick for rental Jagr.

Anyways, I still see nothing wrong with playing on the third line for one of the deepest teams in the entire NHL at his age. Getting pushed down by Jagr? Ha! Jagr is a beast and still a great player. He brings outstanding puck possession and vision to the ice still at his age. Tyler is going to have inconsistent stretches, it's part of being a young player. He also already has 121 pts in his first 2.5 NHL seasons.

What I see is a trade that works well for both teams.

 

[Vtwin]

I also see a GM and player calling BS with all the shamming that is going on.

As for the cap...

Nice glasses dude.

Like I said earlier, Peverley was moved because of the cap. Ferrence was let go because of the cap. Seguin was traded because "he needs improve on the little things that make you a professional". Chia's words, not mine.

Chia has established himself as a very good GM. There is a reason why Horton and Ferrence weren't extended and Seguin was.

I have faith the kid goes on to have a great carreer. I just think it is very naive to think this trade was about the cap.

You've also got to remember that the Bruns are set up to contend NOW and for the next few years. Do you trust a 21 year old kid who has given you many reasons not to trust him or do you deal him for a player who has proven what he is and that he will be an asset in the now?

There are 3 or 4 youngsters in Providence who are going to be called on to contribute next season. How do you bring these young guys into an environement where a star is partying to much and not "doing the little things..."?

The Seguin trade had NOTHING to do with the cap.

 

[RastaRocket]

Right, because Peverly is going to get "a good player, and prospects, at a lower cap hit in return". Peverly was part of the deal because Boston was trying to move him for cap but to think that Seguin's contract has NOTHING to do with cap is absolutely laughable. I really hope you don't think Seguin is the only player who likes to go out and party on that team.

As I said, it's a good trade for both teams. I don't get why everybody is so obsessed with shamming a 21 year old.