Bob McGinn scouts comments on Mazi Smith

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I agree w/ a lot of what you're saying. I'm not sure about this pick at all. Scary.

However, you did say we should've gone BPA. Smith was BPA.
You are right. I just don't see how Porter Jr, Nolan Smith or heck Levis wouldn't have been above. But whatever...as I said, it isn't a hate pick. I just worry with guys who need coaxing. But if he can even spend a year clogging things up, I'm assuming it works. I preferred mauler on OLine
 

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They couldn't stop the run because they had to play soft, 7-man coverages because they couldn't generate a passrush with 4 or cover anybody in man.

Mahomes running around making plays with his legs isn't anything a 1T stops. Pacheco was pretty pedestrian outside of 1 carry anyway.
Eagles couldn’t stop the run all year there’s why they signed Joseph and Suh and it still didn’t help. Pacheco was pedestrian? I guess lol. Always a silly argument if you gotta say “except” to discredit a players game. But we will see you bring up good points I’m just happy to finally invest in the position.
 

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Eagles couldn’t stop the run all year there’s why they signed Joseph and Suh and it still didn’t help. Pacheco was pedestrian? I guess lol. Always a silly argument if you gotta say “except” to discredit a players game. But we will see you bring up good points I’m just happy to finally invest in the position.
Yea I mean the Eagles defense stunk lol. The "exception" is just taking out anomalies. Guys hit big plays sometimes and it can really skew perception.

I actually don't mind the Smith pick, I just hope it's with a vision to be more more than a plugger.
 

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Watch what happens with the linebackers when Smith and Hankins are in the game together. Mazi has the athleticism to play the 3 on obvious run downs, and you can't double both him and Hankins. Somebody is going to be disruptive in the middle, freeing up the linebackers to flow to the ball and make alot of positive plays.

Clogging up the running game creates consistent second/third and longs, which plays into the strengths of the defense, which are the pass rush and secondary. Both units happen to be close to, if not the best in the league. Somebody convince me that this is a bad thing.
 

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Right, and they can't execute that game plan if the opposing offense is good.
They executed it all year and won 13 games.
They finally lost because they were idiots and de-activated a proven starting QB.

SF was the number 1 defense in yards allowed last year and they were first by a good bit in turnover differential. (Dallas was actually 2nd).

Dallas played 6 days earlier across the country in Tampa Bay.
A blind man could see that loss coming.
 

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The only run defense that matters is scoring points. There is no such thing as a team that defends the run but can't score.

I get that but there wasn't exactly playmakers out there at 26. I have attacked the Cowboys on every pick the last 5 years with the exception of Ceedee and more times than not they've proven me wrong so I'm going to let this play out. McClay said he played in a 4 stance at Michigan and that didn't allow him to rush the passer and he believes DQ can get that out of him
 

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Watch what happens with the linebackers when Smith and Hankins are in the game together. Mazi has the athleticism to play the 3 on obvious run downs, and you can't double both him and Hankins. Somebody is going to be disruptive in the middle, freeing up the linebackers to flow to the ball and make alot of positive plays.

Clogging up the running game creates consistent second/third and longs, which plays into the strengths of the defense, which are the pass rush and secondary. Both units happen to be close to, if not the best in the league. Somebody convince me that this is a bad thing.
It is never a bad thing to shore up your biggest weakness.
Dallas did that.
Mazi may not be the 26th best player in this draft class but he will certainly have a very real day 1 impact on this Dallas defense.

Mazi and Hankins likely won't play together a ton but they will in short yardage. And having one of them on the field 90% of the time will make this defense much stouter at the point of attack.
Not a lot of OC can handle Mazi 1v1 in the run game.

But this is not at all sexy and I understand that.
And this kid could certainly eat himself out of the league as these massive guys sometimes do.

But this was a weak draft class and you picked 26th so had nothing but R2 rated guys on your board.
 

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Mazi isn't a pash rusher. 0.5 sacks in 30 games. 6 tackles for loss.

He'll get some snaps in the DT rotation. 25-30?

Thats about 30 tackles for the season.
Who said he was a pass rusher in College? I do think a lot of what we have heard about him playing a little less of the pure clogging the middle, flat footed, playing the run as his first, second and third priority, mentality will show off a little more run penetration and possibly pass rush ability. He has elite athletic ability for his size. But, he is coming here to help the run defense and for a NT that doesn't even mean he personally needs to make the tackle. This helps our entire defense and in particular our LBs who too often get stuck to blocks and blown out at the second level by OL or forced to take bad angles in the muck and get themselves sealed off. This should lessen all of those things.

Most football fans understand a NT isn't graded based on stats. Apparently some other don't
 

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It is never a bad thing to shore up your biggest weakness.
Dallas did that.
Mazi may not be the 26th best player in this draft class but he will certainly have a very real day 1 impact on this Dallas defense.

Mazi and Hankins likely won't play together a ton but they will in short yardage. And having one of them on the field 90% of the time will make this defense much stouter at the point of attack.
Not a lot of OC can handle Mazi 1v1 in the run game.

But this is not at all sexy and I understand that.
And this kid could certainly eat himself out of the league as these massive guys sometimes do.

But this was a weak draft class and you picked 26th so had nothing but R2 rated guys on your board.

Personally, I wanted Mayer at 26, but I do believe Smith will have a bigger impact, and a guy like him won't be found at 58+. There are certainly some concerns, but I think he landed in the perfect spot to learn and develop into a great player. The tools are there. It's only a matter of putting him in the right situation to succeed. If Quinn was passionate enough about bringing him in, I'm good with it.

I think the biggest takeaway is the team is focused on improving the foundation and isnt worried about bringing in players that will sell jerseys, which in my mind will lead to greater sustained success. Are the Jones boys finally learning how to build a team?
 

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The pick is just whatever for me.

Doesn’t do anything for this team. We’re the same as we were this time yesterday.
Doesnt make sense , everyone was clamoring that we are not address run D all these years , then after getting a NT big bodied run stuffer , complain doesnt do anything for the team. Go figure !
 

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Doesnt make sense , everyone was clamoring that we are not address run D all these years , then after getting a NT big bodied run stuffer , complain doesnt do anything for the team. Go figure !
I’ve never been the guy complaining about not spending premium picks on run stuffers.
 

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4. MAZI SMITH, Michigan (6-3, 319, no 40, 2): Labeled as “the best true nose in the draft” by one scout. Made just three tackles in 2019-’20 before starting all 28 games in 2021-’22. “Very gifted athlete-size combination,” a second scout said. “Doesn’t necessarily play as hard as he should all the time. He’ll go second round because those big bodies with that athleticism are nearly impossible to find. Obviously, the character concerns could play into that. Playing (the run) requires a lot of discipline and toughness and grit. I don’t think he’s wired that way. Just going off the physical component … well then, absolutely. But that’s when people make mistakes.” Avoided jail time in January. Sentenced to 12 months on probation for a misdemeanor weapons charge. “The gun issue was a stupid thing on his part that he let happen,” said a third scout. “He had already applied for his damn (gun) permit.” Finished with 88 tackles (six for loss) and one-half sack. “Disruptive player,” said a fourth scout. “My concerns would be his motor and strain consistently throughout the game. He’s got a lot of physical tools to play nose on early downs. He can collapse the pocket, but I don’t know if he can burst and close on a guy. But with those noses, ****, if you can get anything in the pass game that’s a plus.” Arms were 33 ¾, hands were 9 ¾. “I wasn’t impressed,” a fifth scout said. “He’s stiff. He doesn’t shed blockers or move to the ball very well. I thought his instincts and his natural strength and explosion were poor for an inside guy. He is not a good football player and I don’t think he’s a good athlete. He’s just a bull in a china shop. Those guys get stalled easy up here. He’s really wide. He just doesn’t play with his arms or his elbows in tight.” Wonderlic of 22. From Grand Rapids, Mich.
I hope Michigan doesn't send us another Taco Charlton...........................
 

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“He’s stiff. He doesn’t shed blockers or move to the ball very well.
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this is what i saw and didnt want him for this reason
a lot of times he gets taken to the ground by a guard,he gets easily moved by double teams.people expecting our run defense to magically get better with him are not going to be happy.
When his pad level is low he has a decent punch. His ability to anchor and set is not good.
 

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I just don’t believe in drafting run stuffers and such with premium picks.

If you put him on the field against the 9ers last year we still lose that game.
This is the exact reason you're on this board posting, instead of the draft room.
 

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I take it you're not aware of the term "pocket collapsing" and how much it means to a team?
I mean. The GOAT looked average anytime he had pressure up the middle. It’s kind of important in the game of football. Lol
 

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I think this pick shows why people absolutely LOVE the NFL Draft and the drama that always unfolds. This pick also shows the many differences in opinions by the FO’s, scouts, etc. of the various teams. I just have this feeling that Mazi is gonna be the Zack Fredrick pick all over again…
who is zach fredrick lol
 

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Who said he was a pass rusher in College? I do think a lot of what we have heard about him playing a little less of the pure clogging the middle, flat footed, playing the run as his first, second and third priority, mentality will show off a little more run penetration and possibly pass rush ability. He has elite athletic ability for his size. But, he is coming here to help the run defense and for a NT that doesn't even mean he personally needs to make the tackle. This helps our entire defense and in particular our LBs who too often get stuck to blocks and blown out at the second level by OL or forced to take bad angles in the muck and get themselves sealed off. This should lessen all of those things.

Most football fans understand a NT isn't graded based on stats. Apparently some other don't
They'll just double him in the A Gap.

He wont be chasing anyone down.
 

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Personally, I wanted Mayer at 26, but I do believe Smith will have a bigger impact, and a guy like him won't be found at 58+. There are certainly some concerns, but I think he landed in the perfect spot to learn and develop into a great player. The tools are there. It's only a matter of putting him in the right situation to succeed. If Quinn was passionate enough about bringing him in, I'm good with it.

I think the biggest takeaway is the team is focused on improving the foundation and isnt worried about bringing in players that will sell jerseys, which in my mind will lead to greater sustained success. Are the Jones boys finally learning how to build a team?
100% agreed.
Mayer was the sole guy left from my 5-player watch list.
I would have considered Mazi more a pick 30 type player but it never pays to get too cute in the draft.
Mazi was the last true athlete big man iDL left.

Dallas has had success drafting because they do target specific guys early with a firm plan for them and then they take the best available talents as the draft wears on.
This leads to them having a ton of cheap, young, NFL caliber players on the roster.
Not sure this process is perfect but its hard to argue with their results under Will.
 
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