Bob McGinn's Scout's Comments on Zack Martin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DeCastro doing it on the second play and continuing throughout the game:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Cooper turns his man inside on an iso on the first play from scrimmage:



Wow this is so tough to find!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your turn

http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=chance+warmack

there are some games from Warmack. 1v1 drive blocking. Show it. Good luck.

 

[jnday]

No, I just have sound arguments that you and others have yet to counter. You come up with any examples of him dominating 1v1's with DT or you still going to handwave at him beating up on guys 80 lbs lighter than him? If you would like I can come up with examples of Yankee, Cooper, DeCastro, and Warford. They did it a lot. You guys in over a year still cannot show Warmack doing it. It is very telling really.

And I never cited the grades. I don't find their grading system worth a flip. I cited their pressure stats and their analysis which is straight from pff and not that fan board. I have faith in their ability to see when a guy gets bullrushed I don't like how the grading system at all.

I just linked that to demonstrate that there are plenty of people that now feel exactly as I did then who are Titans fans. jterrell kept trying to act like I was all alone on this.

Now Fuzzy, don't go putting words in my mouth. i haven't tried to counter your argument. If it will make you feel good, I will pat you and the Titan fans on the back for your OL scouting abilities. I simply brought up that PFF is garbage and that a bull rush can be successful due to not only a lack of power, but bad technique as well. Not that it matters, but I understand you think you are on to something with Warmack and you are looking for any support that you can get to validate your argument. Good luck with that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now Fuzzy, don't go putting words in my mouth. i haven't tried to counter your argument. If it will make you feel good, I will pat you and the Titan fans on the back for your OL scouting abilities. I simply brought up that PFF is garbage and that a bull rush can be successful due to not only a lack of power, but bad technique as well. Not that it matters, but I understand you think you are on to something with Warmack and you are looking for any support that you can get to validate your argument. Good luck with that.

No his lack of power when isoed on DT has been my main argument from the very beginning. I am not 'looking for anything.'

Quite frankly I like that what I was saying then is still holding true now despite all the crap I have taken for it over the last 15 months.

So why do you think that pff pressure stats are garbage? i think oyu are guilty of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[jnday]

No his lack of power when isoed on DT has been my main argument from the very beginning. I am not 'looking for anything.'

Quite frankly I like that what I was saying then is still holding true now despite all the crap I have taken for it over the last 15 months.

So why do you think that pff pressure stats are garbage? i think oyu are guilty of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

I don't use any if their stats. It has been discussed on this board a thousand times. When I actually cared enough to check there grading, I found that some pressures were caused by the OL not doing their job, but it could be caused by a QB stepping into pressure and the OL was blamed for it. When I researched it , I found that it was inconsistent and they have no way of knowing the blocking assignments on every play.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't use any if their stats. It has been discussed on this board a thousand times. When I actually cared enough to check there grading, I found that some pressures were caused by the OL not doing their job, but it could be caused by a QB stepping into pressure and the OL was blamed for it. When I researched it , I found that it was inconsistent and they have no way of knowing the blocking assignments on every play.

Again, I am not talking about their grades. That you continue to bring it up is more than a little telling. So basically, you discount them all because they don't blame the QB. Don't think that merits a blanket dismissal but whatevs.

 

[jnday]

Again, I am not talking about their grades. That you continue to bring it up is more than a little telling. So basically, you discount them all because they don't blame the QB. Don't think that merits a blanket dismissal but whatevs.

I am discounting their judgement. They don't know what blocking assignments belong to what lineman. They can't accurately assign a pressure to a lineman if they don't know the assignments. It is not like a team coach is looking at the film. Your guess is as good as theirs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am discounting their judgement. They don't know what blocking assignments belong to what lineman. They can't accurately assign a pressure to a lineman if they don't know the assignments. It is not like a team coach is looking at the film. Your guess is as good as theirs.

So then no pressure stats are valid unless they are done by the team. Don't buy that in the slightest but okay. It is pretty easy to tell who is trying to block who especially in how teams pass protect. Stunts and twists can be dicey but even then it is not all that fallible as opposed to say coverages that you cannot even see in the secondary.

 

[ConstantReboot]

1. ZACK MARTIN, Notre Dame (6-4, 309, 5.2, 1) – Started a school-record 52 games, all at LT. "Love him," one scout said. "Not a real bulky guy. All I know is he's got a great jam and can punch the hell out of you. Nobody beats him. Everybody keeps wanting to move him inside. Well, you better have somebody that can block those outside rushers." Height and arm length (327/8) make a move to guard or even center seem inevitable if not immediate. "Damn good," said another scout. "He might be as safe a pick as there is. I like him better than the (David) DeCastro kid (from the 2012 draft). DeCastro never could have played left tackle at Notre Dame." Two-time captain from Indianapolis. Wonderlic scores of 21 and 27. "Much better player than (Justin) Pugh a year ago," a third scout said. "This guy's a tougher, stronger guy. He can get you out of a game as a tackle but he'll be a really good guard."

No thanks. If we pick him with our 1st it will be a wasted pick. Defense wins championships. We don't need a glorified pass protector.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Yea, right after they welched ona previously discussed deal in all likelihood.

The number of DL going off the board before we draft again is straight alarming.

We took the BPA but it probably won't work out well for us this season.
This team needed a pass rusher badly and we missed on our targets and couldn't get down to the secondary ones.

Could be a scary bad 2nd round leading up to us tomorrow if the DL run continues.

Our OL was terrible and we went 8-8, our OL was good and we went 8-8.
Not sure making a good OL, very good is going to get us off that mark.
Tho like with San Fran it may pay off in 3 years when we retool the team and the OL has matured.

I totally agree with you here. Although Martin was the safe pick it was way too safe. Martin won't help that much in my opinion since we hardly run the ball. All that got us was a glorified pass protector.

Am I upset? Yes I am. You guys thought the defense was bad last year wait till this year. Marinelli will have his hands full trying unknown draft picks into probowlers.

 

[rwalters31]

Road Graders!!!!! Love this pick. Romo loves this pick.

The OL is looking so much better and the best part is it will for years!

Hell yell! When have you seen me positive about a Cowboy draft? It is over due and yes this gives Romo a couple of seconds longer to find and throw receptions. But the best thing it gives the Cowboys is a running game for that great third down ratings and 5 yard TDs. A consistent offense is better than a high scoring one.

Yes, I like this pick. Now lets see what we can do with the defense.

Signed
Happy Cowboy Fan!

 

[TheCount]

The trenches allow you to win games... but they don't do the winning.
It's like a having a great defensive center in basketball that rebounds and protects the paint but doesn't score.

Hugely effective core piece but needs help to win.

If the Cowboys field another historically bad defense the OL won't matter.
When you fall behind by 20 and are just in spread 3 step drop mode OL is marginalized.

"Trenches" includes defensive line. Saying trenches are overrated because we drafted a highly regarded offensive lineman in the first round is just sour grapes and short sighted.

 

[KB1122]

No thanks. If we pick him with our 1st it will be a wasted pick. Defense wins championships. We don't need a glorified pass protector.

Well, quarterbacks win championships. But defense would be next. Our offensive line went from among the worst to among the best and our record is the same.

 

[casmith07]

Great pick. No brainer. Safest pick the Cowboys could have made also.

Nobody can complain about this selection.

They will complain, lol. Someone will.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't know that Hos, but it isn't a shock. Martin is the kinda guy Donald will struggle with in the NFL. Donald is a nice player but was overrated IMO. I said that months ago and I never changed my mind. Not vastly overrated mind you...but he went about 10 picks too soon

Donald went through everyone, except Martin. That is why he was rated as high at 9th on some draft boards. The only question about Martin is RT, RG, or LG?

 

[honyock]

Yup. no disagreement at all.
As I stated in my first post in this thread, he was a safe pick and BPA so solid, I just hate we couldn't get a trade down where we could have targeted our needs.
The way last year worked made me greedy I guess.

I pretty much agree with what you're saying here too. I liked the pick and player. But I was really hoping for a trade down before the pick was made, to give us more ammo to restock. I wonder if NY taking Beckam cost the team the chance to trade down. He might have been enough bait to entice someone like San Fran to make a decent trade offer.

But I really like how the o-line is shaping up and like the discipline the war room showed once the trade possibilities didn't materialize.

 

[gimmesix]

Yea, right after they welched ona previously discussed deal in all likelihood.

The number of DL going off the board before we draft again is straight alarming.

We took the BPA but it probably won't work out well for us this season.
This team needed a pass rusher badly and we missed on our targets and couldn't get down to the secondary ones.

Could be a scary bad 2nd round leading up to us tomorrow if the DL run continues.

If the Cowboys were calling Shazier right before he was picked by Pittsburgh that might have been the reason for the slammed phone. I just thought it looked like Jones was having trouble with the phone system.

Hopefully, we'll find a way to get Lawrence today. If not, maybe Ealy, Crichton or Attaochu. I'd feel better if Dallas doubles down by selecting another pass rusher in the third round (even if it takes a little moving around to do it).

 

[Nexx]

great pick up. yes i would have loved to have a game changing dlineman but there were none at least not good enough to justify the 16th. i have no problem going oline. im sure our 2nd pick will lean dline direction. just keep drafting smart. please no TE in the 2nd. ...

 

[Doomsday101]

I love the pick and I hope people relize there are still a lot of quality players on the defensive side of the ball still available. Having 3 1st rd picks playing along the OL is big and will go a long way in stopping players like JJ Watts and Clowney who we face next season as well as other big name defensive players. This allows Romo to get the protection he needs it allows Murray the holes to run through this is a damn good pick and to see people complaining about not reaching for a defensive player? That is what Dallas did in the past reach for need and it did not help.