Bob Sturm takes on Cowboys drafted record 09-present

[LucaBrasi]

The Cowboys don't draft well, no secret. Yes, they have had greater 1st round success the last few years, and that's a good thing. But Jerry said when discussing the missed Lynch trade "my greatest success in business was over paying." He later drones on about "taking risks" and that philosophy wont change. that's why you have the Hardy's and Gregory's and the like. That's why they wont have successful drafts, that's why they've been largely unsuccessful for 2 decades. Jerry thinks he's drilling for oil during the draft and building a football team. Love this team, but a complete dope runs it.

 

[Common Sense]

Post first-rounders in recent years:

Sean Lee
Anthony Hitchens
Dwayne Harris
Terrance Williams
Cole Beasley
Ron Leary
La'el Collins
Doug Free
Demarco Murray
Tyrone Crawford
Barry Church
JJ Wilcox
Dan Bailey
Demarcus Lawrence
Randy Gregory
James Hanna
Kyle Wilber
Bruce Carter
Orlando Scandrick

The problem was that the offensive line was ignored for far too long. Now the pass rush is the issue, and suspensions have derailed the process there.

That's not really an impressive list when you consider that it goes back an entire decade, and one of them is a kicker. I'm not even sure I would consider Carter, Wilcox, or Gregory quality finds.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It has not been terrible but it has not been good enough to push the Cowboys over the top talent-wise.

I was hoping, given the talent available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, Dallas would find three day-one starters in this draft. As of today, I would only consider Elliott one of those. Oh well, if Tony can stay healthy they still have a shot at the playoffs.

I think Collins and Tapper will both play this season. Whether they are the starters is a bit more in question. That said, I think they both become starters in the next 2-3 years.

I think Tapper ends up better than Lawrence. As for the other dope show, that depends on him. He has way too much talent to not be a great starting DE. The question is will he make that happen or will he fail at the NFL for personal issues.

 

[DBOY3141]

I don't mean to be Captain Obvious here, but the drop-off in developing late round talent also coincides with Parcells leaving. Something else to consider.

Love Parcells as a coach, but I don't think he did well in drafting. 05 was his best draft and Jerry had to overrule him on Ware over Spears. He has Bobby on his watch...lol.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Don't ruin the joke!

Ok, Ro McClain is Chong, and D-Law is Schwarzennegar.

LOL ok

 

[zrinkill]

Yea ....... Jerry is a drunk idiot.

And he runs the draft as his own personal pet cat parade.

What else is new?

He is 73 and a heavy drinker ........ so hopefully I wont have to put up with this nonsense in my 50's.

 

[dallasdave]

Yea ....... Jerry is a drunk idiot.

And he runs the draft as his own personal pet cat parade.

What else is new?

He is 73 and a heavy drinker ........ so hopefully I wont have to put up with this nonsense in my 50's.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Post first-rounders in recent years:

Sean Lee
Anthony Hitchens
Dwayne Harris
Terrance Williams
Cole Beasley
Ron Leary
La'el Collins
Doug Free
Demarco Murray
Tyrone Crawford
Barry Church
JJ Wilcox
Dan Bailey
Demarcus Lawrence
Randy Gregory
James Hanna
Kyle Wilber
Bruce Carter
Orlando Scandrick

The problem was that the offensive line was ignored for far too long. Now the pass rush is the issue, and suspensions have derailed the process there.

First off, Doug Free is from 2007, Leary and Beasley were undrafted, Collins and Gregory are a 1st picks that fell to the second for other reasons, so they don't count in this discussion since they don't meet said criteria of this discussion.

Of those left, how many are quality starters? Scandrick, Lee (though always injured) Murray, Bailey, and maybe Crawford though there are questions there too. I see four real quality starters in that group that were drafted 2-7 since 2009. Six picks times eight years is around 48 picks (plus minus depending on how the draft fell) Getting four quality starters out of 48 picks is AWFUL.

 

[Common Sense]

Love Parcells as a coach, but I don't think he did well in drafting. 05 was his best draft and Jerry had to overrule him on Ware over Spears. He has Bobby on his watch...lol.

It was a mixed bag, for sure, but all of those late-round and undrafted gems almost entirely happened under Parcells.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Nothing in that article is a surprise.

It also shows how valuable Tony Romo is to the Cowboys.

 

[davey999]

Been saying the same thing for a while but many here refuse to see the facts.

 

[CATCH17]

Here is his conclusion, with the full article below with a lot of graphs
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We can justify things to ourselves if we try, but the truth is that this current front office is not hitting the target often enough. I am guilty of feeling like they have improved, but we are going to need to see some more objective results before we congratulate anyone for getting this right.

The current report card does not suggest that the Cowboys are gaining ground on the powers. I know we often suggest that Jerry has a huge say on the first pick or two and then trusts his staff to fill out the draft card. That may or may not be true, but from Rounds 2-7 since 2009, the Cowboys are lagging well behind league average -- let alone the powers of the NFL draft game.

Let's hope the 2016 draft is better.


http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...-view-draft-results-paint-rather-grim-picture

Romo masks a lot of shortcomings..

When he's not their the crap scheme and draft misses get amplified.

We're probably the worst team in football with a average NFL QB.

 

[jterrell]

He chose 09 to start which is very odd.
08 brought Orlando Scandrick in round 5.
07 brought Nick Folk.
10 brought Josh Brent as a r7 supp draft selection who started for us.

Data is easy to manipulate.
Dallas has been an above average drafting team with below average coaching for most of the last decade.

Injuries have been severe and painful as well.

 

[Common Sense]

He chose 09 to start which is very odd.
08 brought Orlando Scandrick in round 5.
07 brought Nick Folk.
10 brought Josh Brent as a r7 supp draft selection who started for us.

Data is easy to manipulate.
Dallas has been an above average drafting team with below average coaching for most of the last decade.

Injuries have been severe and painful as well.

How is that odd? He explained in detail why 2009 was the year to start. He's examining the team's drafting abilities post Parcells / Ireland and starting with the first year of a pure Phillips / Garrett / Ciskowskie draft.

Besides, does Nick Folk really strengthen your argument?

 

[DBOY3141]

It was a mixed bag, for sure, but all of those late-round and undrafted gems almost entirely happened under Parcells.

I may be off a year but from 03-06 drafts, 4th round and beyond, only names that stand out is Bradie James, Patrick Crayton, Marion Barber, Chris Canty. Of course Romo and Miles as UDFA.

 

[Common Sense]

I may be off a year but from 03-06 drafts, 4th round and beyond, only names that stand out is Bradie James, Patrick Crayton, Marion Barber, Chris Canty. Of course Romo and Miles as UDFA.

Don't forget Jay Ratliff. Also keep in mind, we're talking about four drafts here that already destroy the entire decade that followed. That's bad.

 

[jnday]

Maybe now that Sturm has said it, it will start to sink in with the groupthink crowd.

Exactly, go back and read the predraft threads on the subject and it is ridiculous. I wish fans would realize that discussing the problems with the team doesn't make them a bad fan. I get so sick of reading that good fans support their team in all situations. The team, coaches or Herry don't care what the fans think at all until they quit spending money on the Cowboys. Money is the only support that matters to them. You are welcome to risagree and I can promise that nobody cares.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Everyone says the Cowboys do well in the first, but remember this. It's a lot easier to win a 1st round pick since generally they are the most talented and skilled players in the draft. It's finding the hidden gems that make you a great football team.

 

[Common Sense]

Exactly, go back and read the predraft threads on the subject and it is ridiculous. I wish fans would realize that discussing the problems with the team doesn't make them a bad fan. I get so sick of reading that good fans support their team in all situations. The team, coaches or Herry don't care what the fans think at all until they quit spending money on the Cowboys. Money is the only support that matters to them. You are welcome to risagree and I can promise that nobody cares.

Sure, but Jerry is pretty sensitive to public opinion about the team because he knows it eventually translates to money. Like when he brought on Parcells because he thought it could help him get the stadium built.

The more people start talking about bad drafts publicly, whether it's on a forum, in a bar, on a fan blog, or in the Dallas Morning News, the more likely it is that Jerry will wise up because he knows he eventually has no other choice.

That said, they made changes in 2013, so it's too soon to see what the longterm effects of that will be, but I haven't liked a lot of the decisions they've made since then, so I'm still skeptical.

 

[DBOY3141]

Don't forget Jay Ratliff. Also keep in mind, we're talking about four drafts here that already destroy the entire decade that followed. That's bad.

thanks. forgot about Jay. That 05 draft was great.