Bob Sturm takes on Cowboys drafted record 09-present

[Common Sense]

thanks. forgot about Jay. That 05 draft was great.

It's widely considered the best draft of the decade, which is what makes it so frustrating to see the garbage of the last seven years or so.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is the way our draft always feels to me. It's a ******** sideshow.

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[TheMarathonContinues]

Over the past 5 drafts the Cowboys have used picks 34, 34, 40, 47, and 60 in the 2nd round.

For a variety of reasons, they won't get a single snap from any of those picks for the first 4 weeks of the 2016 season.

One is hurt, two are suspends and we didn't have a 2nd round of those years. How many of them are contributing by the end of the season is a better question. Hopefully it's all of them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's widely considered the best draft of the decade, which is what makes it so frustrating to see the garbage of the last seven years or so.

It shouldn't be. They got lucky on that draft. That draft should not be the bar.

 

[Galian Beast]

Over the past 5 drafts the Cowboys have used picks 34, 34, 40, 47, and 60 in the 2nd round.

For a variety of reasons, they won't get a single snap from any of those picks for the first 4 weeks of the 2016 season.

Your point is taken, but you've definitely gone a year too far. Including 2011 completely skews the reality of your numbers. I've tried to establish the idea that after that original 4 year period is over, you can't really consider a player anything more than a free agent outside of the fact that you may be more familiar with the player and know whether they fit in your system.

As for them missing out the first 4 games, that's simply a coincidence.

If Gregory can stay out of trouble, and I'll concede that is a big if at this point, that pick may very well turn out well. Lawrence, I'm still not sure what the story is here, but he has at least shown he can perform. I think you have one truly questionable pick with Escobar, but Jaylon Smith is a great pick.

The questionable nature of our drafts I think are what we've done in the 3rd round more so than the 2nd.

The 4th round has been almost a complete waste as well. I think they take too many project players in the 3rd round.

 

[Common Sense]

It shouldn't be. They got lucky on that draft. That draft should not be the bar.

I really don't see how you can say that with a straight face. That draft was a gold mine from top to bottom and completely turned this franchise around.

 

[lostar2009]

Always someone trying to get their "views" up. It's odd he included one of the Cowboys WORST drafts in a decade. This team is finally recovering from that draft. Some of these stats also point toward JJ constantly trading picks to move up for players.

 

[dagreat1_87]

Over the past 5 drafts the Cowboys have used picks 34, 34, 40, 47, and 60 in the 2nd round.

For a variety of reasons, they won't get a single snap from any of those picks for the first 4 weeks of the 2016 season.

this is a sad sad sad piece of info right here.

 

[Primetime42]

No question the team's gotta do better in 2-7. 1st round picks generally have been HRs but teams are built later.

They can afford to stop taking a risk every single year in 2.

 

[CyberB0b]

One is hurt, two are suspends and we didn't have a 2nd round of those years. How many of them are contributing by the end of the season is a better question. Hopefully it's all of them.

Smokie the bear is a Marijuana cigarette away from a year ban.

 

[Hoofbite]

One is hurt, two are suspends and we didn't have a 2nd round of those years. How many of them are contributing by the end of the season is a better question. Hopefully it's all of them.

I guess I should have said, "last 5 players picked" because it technically would be 6 years.

Not sure the wasted 2nd on Claiborne changes anything. The fact remains that the team will be getting nothing from the 2nd round for the first month of the season. When you play 16 games, missing 4 can be the difference between having those games at the end of the season be for playoff contention or for draft positioning.

Injured, suspended, or traded away, I don't think it matters. There are too few games to be okay with getting nothing for a whole month.

 

[iceberg]

Maybe now that Sturm has said it, it will start to sink in with the groupthink crowd.

which group? i mean, both sides are doing "group think" really.

 

[iceberg]

Yea ....... Jerry is a drunk idiot.

And he runs the draft as his own personal pet cat parade.

What else is new?

He is 73 and a heavy drinker ........ so hopefully I wont have to put up with this nonsense in my 50's.

i am 50 and a former 'heavy drinker' - if he was a heavy drinker for as much as people claim i'd have to think he'd be dead.

 

[bkeavs]

Much truth, but on the flip side.....

Dallas has built the best offensive line in football, with a solid receiving corps, and now a potential superstar running back. Don't forget perhaps the best kicker in football.

Defensively, if Cheech and Chong put down the bong, and Jaylon Smith heals, there is much to be optimistic about moving forward.

All true, but we still have a 36 year old QB who has a major shoulder injury and back issues driving the bus. That is my main concern

 

[zrinkill]

i am 50 and a former 'heavy drinker' - if he was a heavy drinker for as much as people claim i'd have to think he'd be dead.

True ....... but he is also a billionaire ...... maybe he gets blood transfusions multiple times a day

And baths in the rejuvenating tears of Cowboy fans.

 

[Hoofbite]

Your point is taken, but you've definitely gone a year too far. Including 2011 completely skews the reality of your numbers. I've tried to establish the idea that after that original 4 year period is over, you can't really consider a player anything more than a free agent outside of the fact that you may be more familiar with the player and know whether they fit in your system.

Drafting well allows you to use resources other than the position at which the player you drafted plays. Dallas no longer needs a RB, they can focus their cap dollars and future picks elsewhere. While you only retain a specific player for a defined period of time after drafting him, the consequences of picking well versus picking poorly last much longer than that individuals contract will.

you can't really consider a player anything more than a free agent outside of the fact that you may be more familiar with the player and know whether they fit in your system.

Which is like saying, "other than the fact that you know whether or not your should sign the guy". Big difference, IMO.

As for them missing out the first 4 games, that's simply a coincidence.

I think you've picked the wrong "c" word. "Consequence" is probably more fitting. Largely, the consequence of risk taking.

If Gregory can stay out of trouble, and I'll concede that is a big if at this point, that pick may very well turn out well. Lawrence, I'm still not sure what the story is here, but he has at least shown he can perform. I think you have one truly questionable pick with Escobar, but Jaylon Smith is a great pick.

The questionable nature of our drafts I think are what we've done in the 3rd round more so than the 2nd.

The 4th round has been almost a complete waste as well. I think they take too many project players in the 3rd round.

That's the general idea but I'm willing to push it to the 2nd round. Relying on best case outcomes from this point seems awfully naive in regards to Gregory and Lawrence when the best case outcome from the day they were drafted is that they wouldn't have ever tested positive.

Time will tell but the stretch of 2nd round picks in the discussion could give the team nothing. At worst you'd at least like to be able to use resources elsewhere for a brief period of time. That isn't even guaranteed at this point.

 

[iceberg]

True ....... but he is also a billionaire ...... maybe he gets blood transfusions multiple times a day

And baths in the rejuvenating tears of Cowboy fans.

heh, not so much the blood but he'd be tearing up his heart, prone to overworking it by simple functions, like standing up, and his liver would have already quit on him. 15 years give or take, 20 on the outside, and he'd be history.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I guess I didn't realize this was news. Aside from a few vocal posters, wasn't this kind of common knowledge on the board?

Maybe I have just been turning a blind eye to the comments or something.

 

[Awakened]

Props to Strum for excellent reporting. He lays it out there. There's no denying our drafting after round 1 has been atrocious. It's really saddening to look at the number of misses we've drafted in rounds 2-7 the last several years.

 

[Ken]

I think starting at '09 is probably dropping the numbers quite a bit. A more logical starting point would have been Garrett's first year to now. It seems we have been better in the draft since he took the helm. Except the 2nd round of course.