Bob Sturm: talk of Dak being untradeable is nonsense

[America's Cowboy]

And neither are the Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's your opinion, John. Doesn't mean it's true.

 

[john van brocklin]

That's your opinion, John. Doesn't mean it's true.

For sure AC,
That's all any of us can offer, : opinions.
We all have different ones.
It keeps things fun around here!
You keep posting, I appreciate them!

 

[Vtwin]

Dak has more value than most here want to admit.
This is a QB starved league.
The real question is, who would replace Dak?

I'm not sure about Dak's value in the eyes of other teams. I'd honestly be surprised if anyone had first round pick value on him, or top contract money value, but I don't know.

As far as replacing him goes, almost any placeholder journeyman type, and draft draft draft.

I'm coming from a semi-rebuild mindset, and sacrificing championship hopes for next season. In fact, I would love to see another 2015 happen. Solid team suffers adversity, gets high draft pick with the real potential to comeback stronger the next season.

Got to do do something to break out of this groundhog day like cycle.

 

[john van brocklin]

I'm not sure about Dak's value in the eyes of other teams. I'd honestly be surprised if anyone had first round pick value on him, or top contract money value, but I don't know.

As far as replacing him goes, almost any placeholder journeyman type, and draft draft draft.

I'm coming from a semi-rebuild mindset, and sacrificing championship hopes for next season. In fact, I would love to see another 2015 happen. Solid team suffers adversity, gets high draft pick with the real potential to comeback stronger the next season.

Got to do do something to break out of this groundhog day like cycle.

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[McKDaddy]

Basically the "stuck" aspect means that there is 39m in dead money due either in one year or two depending on how the cut would occur and that is a lot of dead money for one player with a team trying to contend. Though presumably if they cut Dak they are going into a rebuild so that aspect is a moot point.

I'm no expert in all that ... but if possible I would like to develop\find a chart of the options we have so as a group we come to a concensus as to the best option. I'm more "aggressive" than some so I would be OK if we moved forward sooner rather than later .... but I do understand that may just be too "punitive" for 2023.
I also know that sometimes what people believe is possible or impossible isn't when the "insiders" work the system. Bottom line, I'm just trying to get good information.

 

[Reality]

Clarify for me. Are you saying you potentially keep him on the roster & pay him but sit him? Simply to avoid the "cap" hit portion of the equation if you released him or traded him?

Second question, I hear a lot of definitive statements that we are "stuck" with him next year due to the cap hit. I'm assuming that is correct. But is he moveable after the 2023 season? There seems to be differing opinions on that.

Just trying to make sure I understand your plan. Thanks.

Any team can release any player at any time if they are willing to accept the costs of doing so.

With Dak, the Cowboys assumed he would restructure multiple times (like most would-be franchise quarterbacks do), so they backloaded his contract like most teams do in those situations.

The problem is they expected he would be the Cowboys quarterback for several more years, so they avoided absorbing a lot of the cap hit early and now they are too invested in him to release him, at least cap-wise this season.

I am not a salary cap expert, but from what I have read if the Cowboys release Dak before the end of the 2023 season the salary cap hit would be around $90 million for one year or $45 million over two years if they could designate him a post-June-1st release in 2023.

Assuming the Cowboys want to release Dak, if they wait until after the 2023 season, the remaining dead money (cap hit) would be around $40 million, which could likely be split over two seasons if designated a post-June-1st release in 2024.

The smart move is to keep Dak for 2023, attempt to find his replacement either through the draft or free agency this off-season and go into the 2023 season with Dak knowing he has to perform well and limit his mistakes or the Cowboys might move on.

Either Dak gets over the hump and leads the team to a Super Bowl or he continues making the same mistakes and gives McCarthy and the Cowboys a justified reason to replace him during or after the 2023 season.

 

[McKDaddy]

Dak has more value than most here want to admit.

If that is true, it leads me to believe you'd be better off acting sooner rather than later as I fear his value will decrease. Might be better to absorb dead money sooner if you can get value in trade.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Dak has a no trade clause in his contract. Every day we have to say this simple simon reminder here.

He would just need to be suitably motivated.

 

[BoysForLife]

He mentions what it will cost the new team, but fails to point out what it will cost Dallas in dead cap. THAT is why he it’s extraordinarily unlikely he gets traded, even if Dallas wanted to.

Also, by rule you can’t trade him tonight, nor for another 7 weeks

Based on his performance in SF you could make an argument Daks entire salary is dead cap money so what's the difference

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Remember it was MM that pull the plug on Brett Fravr's career in Green Bay BUT he had a replacement. The point is if you are trading your starting with back-to-back 12-win seasons, you probably wanna have a better replacement in your pocket.

Rush seems to be a reasonable facsimile.

 

[john van brocklin]

If that is true, it leads me to believe you'd be better off acting sooner rather than later as I fear his value will decrease. Might be better to absorb dead money sooner if you can get value in trade.

Here's a thought:
We bring in a new OC and new offensive system.
Dak has great stats and his trade value improves.
We trade him then.
Cap hit is more doable next year as well.

 

[McKDaddy]

Any team can release any player at any time if they are willing to accept the costs of doing so.

With Dak, the Cowboys assumed he would restructure multiple times (like most would-be franchise quarterbacks do), so they backloaded his contract like most teams do in those situations.

The problem is they expected he would be the Cowboys quarterback for several more years, so they avoided absorbing a lot of the cap hit early and now they are too invested in him to release him, at least cap-wise this season.

I am not a salary cap expert, but from what I have read if the Cowboys release Dak before the end of the 2023 season the salary cap hit would be around $90 million for one year or $45 million over two years if they could designate him a post-June-1st release in 2023.

Assuming the Cowboys want to release Dak, if they wait until after the 2023 season, the remaining dead money (cap hit) would be around $40 million, which could likely be split over two seasons if designated a post-June-1st release in 2024.

The smart move is to keep Dak for 2023, attempt to find his replacement either through the draft or free agency this off-season and go into the 2023 season with Dak knowing he has to perform well and limit his mistakes or the Cowboys might move on.

Either Dak gets over the hump and leads the team to a Super Bowl or he continues making the same mistakes and gives McCarthy and the Cowboys a justified reason to replace him during or after the 2023 season.

Thank you @Reality. This is the scenario I have been led to believe except the $'s involved seem to be different depending on where you read it. What has also been confusing is folks saying the hit was too high in 2024. $40MM isn't something you want to absorb but for me that seems very doable especially if you spread over two years.

So, it leads me to believe you "sacrifice" next year but make all the moves you can to be prepared to be aggressive in 2024.

 

[McKDaddy]

Based on his performance in SF you could make an argument Daks entire salary is dead cap money so what's the difference

Exactly. It all comes down to how firm your beliefs are and how much pain you are willing to endure to chart a new course.

Crappy situation to be in.

 

[Reality]

Thank you @Reality. This is the scenario I have been led to believe except the $'s involved seem to be different depending on where you read it. What has also been confusing is folks saying the hit was too high in 2024. $40MM isn't something you want to absorb but for me that seems very doable especially if you spread over two years.

So, it leads me to believe you "sacrifice" next year but make all the moves you can to be prepared to be aggressive in 2024.

No matter what the numbers actually are, teams can work around one bad salary cap year by restructuring contracts of other star players they know they will be keeping and/or they can replace other higher paid non-star players with cheaper options.

The problem is even if you take the hit in one season, there is still a limit to what you can absorb while still remaining competitive and not being forced to lose other players you need in the future.

For a team that's rebuilding, they can release or trade their higher paid or aging players and use the draft to rebuild the team without the expectations of winning during the upcoming season.

For a team like the Cowboys though that have a lot of pieces in place to win now, they cannot afford to waste too much of their salary cap because it could cost them ability to sign free agents to fit the missing pieces or prevent them from resigning their existing players.

While McCarthy may not be a fan favorite, I have to believe he likes his job and wants to keep his job so I will not be surprised if the Cowboys try to bring in a potential future replacement for Dak this off-season either through the draft or through free agency or both.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I guess this gives clarity to the issue financially but the reality is it ain't happening, forget it........Jerry would sell the team first (LOL) AND the no-trade clause means you need Dak's blessing. Good luck....

Bob is 100% correct.

 

[ChuckA1]

To be fair, teams can negotiate and agree to player trades before free agency starts, but they simply do not submit the paperwork to the NFL until that time.

That said, Dak has a no-trade clause so it is unlikely he would be traded.

As for releasing him, it is not realistic for the Cowboys to release Dak until after the 2023 season as the dead cap hit in 2023 would be huge.

If the Cowboys are smart, the best strategy would be to draft a high round quarterback and/or bring in a veteran quarterback to push Dak and/or compete for the starting job next season.

Of course that will be the smart way to handle Dak. Unfortunately, that also means it's unlikely to happen.

 

[Toro9]

Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson who are all better than Dak have been traded. Also, starter Baker Mayfield.

 

[Carson]

Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson who are all better than Dak have been traded. Also, starter Baker Mayfield.

Not to mention Carson Wentz to the Colts then to Washington lol. Who is not better but has a terrible contract

All 3 of these dudes are trash now and they got traded

 

[blueblood70]

Daniel Jones and Geno Smith will make more money then Dak in 23 and 24 when they get new contracts. Dak can be traded because he is a good quarterback. Not many of those in the NFL. Wait to you see what the Raiders get for Derek Carr.

Carr will not allow himself to be traded, he will wait to be cut..

it would be dumb for the same reason dak will force being cut to choose his own team vs trade to help an unappreciative team and fanbase. no waiting needed, Carr will NOT be traded.. NT clauses are real and can not be circumvenbted.,they burned a bridge with Carr and if not careful that will happen here. be careful what you wish for, get rid of top 10 qb 8th on the money list for what picks , picks dont win 12 game b2b seasons and 2nd round playoff berth unless you get extremely lucky. he is untradeable due to money and clauses.

anyone who thinks moving on from Dak as if a qb from the draft or 2nd tier FA pool could win a playoff game against the 9ers on the road with NO RUN GAME, POOR OL PLAY, POLLARD GETTING HURT AND MOORE CALLING PLAYS and playing a near perfect game like zero INTs etc is delusional.

blaming Dak alone for that loss is ridiculous. we have seen this past season and many others players like Allen and Lawarence have poor games and the TEAM WON anyway, we saw Bray throw 3 ints in an NFCCG and still win, we saw Stafford lead the league in INTS and throw TWO (2) in the SB and still win.. Hows Herbert allegedly much better then Dak do his fort 3 season now? his first playoff game?

its A team game and the Team also contributed to a slim 7 point loss.not just dak.,

Give dak better run game and bit better protection, better play calls, and say Diggs makes those 2 plays, we win. or if schultz doesn't have 2 mental mistakes on the last drive or Gallup makes a better effort to not let that ball be intercepted instead of just watching the defender make effort to do so,

I remember how long between Aikman and romo to find even a quality qb and how tough that was to watch, well its why Daks stil here and sitl our best option for now. even the beter qbs lie top 5 in pay didnt make the playoffs, others made mistakes in the playoffs, most according to this place are better, sure they are ...

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[blueblood70]

Not to mention Carson Wentz to the Colts then to Washington lol. Who is not better but has a terrible contract

All 3 of these dudes are trash now and they got traded

Yes Daks value would be high, and teams would go after him but with NT clause its not happening unless the FO decides to ask Dak to waive it and they both agree to do so then find that team willing . so with that said hes untradeable with odds of all that aligning.. then what?? who is going to be better and how long will it take to get that, how long beter this next QB has us back in the playoffs and in B2B years? .

I remember how long between Aikman and romo to find even a quality qb and how tough that was to watch, well its why Daks stil here and sitl our best option for now. even the beter qbs lie top 5 in pay didnt make the playoffs, others made mistakes in the playoffs, most according to this place are better, sure they are ...